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[clone wars]

this has got me think but the Endings have a Paragon and renegade thing i think like if you do the Control Ending that a renegade or the Destroy Ending is a bit of Paragon and renegade in one and Synthesis is Paragon and you how one ACHIEVEMENTS/TROPHIES is name Legend
i think the way me1 /m2 /me3 / has show the Legend of shepard is good

[shadowkinz]

ronbo_68 wrote...
I was depressed and devastated after the ending. And that is impressive in itself when you consider it is a game but you have a vested emotional interest in it, kind of like a book.

Me too.

Brialyn wrote...
I do have to commend them on the rest of the
game though, I laughed, cried, and had a blast with all the combat
improvements. Showing Shepard's humanity was a stroke of genius and the
music truly moved me. Unfortunately, the ending is the most critical
part of any medium and these were just....bad.

Me too...

Like i said... i had a knot in my chest after the scene with the little boy and his grandfather, watching humanity dial back centuries.. but tbh? that wasn't even the part that really got me, teh part that got me was their ignorance about the whole ordeal in teh first place....

The old man says something about how the stars "COULD" have life on other worlds, with their own tales...  But... at the end of the story he JUST TOLD, the WHOLE REMAINING ALIEN FLEETS WERE ON EARTH OR IN ITS ORBIT.... so the krogan, turian, quarian, and geth (both quarians and geth for me =P) just vanished into thin air? o.O

What happened to my squad? etc.. etc...

[Flammenpanzer]

shadowkinz wrote...

The worst part is that after the credits, the grandfather explains to his grandson that there could be other life and civilization "out there", each with their own tales...

WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS AN ENTIRE FLEET OF MIXED SPECIES IN SPACE AND ON THE DAMNED PLANET ITSELF..  (yes i kno the 2 people are talking a way in the future, but there would be some evidence of this...)

wut.

seriously tho it really bothered me.. There would still be uncountable #s of other species in the sol system

The fact that it was "forgotten" that there are other species in the galaxy, after most of them were left stuck in the sol system anyway. They would have had to live on earth, the space-faring tech would still be there, even IF they couldn't get out of sol.
^it makes it REALLY seem like the WHOLE STORY was just a fairy tale, and not just the last "hallucination" as some suggest... which also wouldn't make sense b/c he wouldn't mention details being lost, and would also be some BS >.>

i hated the ending... well i hated the plot holes rather

I think that cut scene is from the planet the Normandy landed on. I guess Liara never 'got it on' and all the other species died out...leaving just humans.

Then again, for all they know, Shepard lost...as they would have had to jump into that relay before comformation that Shepard really did beat the reapers...

**headache**

[Flammenpanzer]

**doublepost**

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 13 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[Wolvy]

 I was sitting here wracking my brain about each of the endings and thinking how can Shepard live only in the red one. lol    But now I understand. He actually destroyed the controller when given the choices. I am guessing the paragon ending is the synthesis in a way? I mean in a sense if it was me, I would rather sacrifice myself for EDI after seeing her mature to where she is now than ME2. I killed Geth in 1 and 2 but I couldn't think of destroying EDI. But if I remember correctly, didn't we have a mission to the lunar base for a rogue AI in ME1? lol It just dawned on me after listening to the video in the Cerberus base. I am sorry. I know I am just rambling but now a few days after completing my first run-through I am beginning to understand some of it. I still would like something more concrete about the epilogue and what happened after. 
Someone in the reviews threads posted this and I kind of was thinking this is what the pure paragon ending (#4) would have been like along with a few other ideas. 

Neizd wrote...

Ending - Okay that's what can be done:

1. The paragon/renegade points aren't at the top in player chart even with full paragon. That gives a chance to add some last dialoque with guardian.

2. Guardian - Change it to Saren Arterius. He was the first avatar of the reapers that Shepard and Anderson encountered. He would have made more sense if you wanted to show Shepard something familliar.

3. Harbringer - You have him...do something with him. I mean he was the big bad from ME2 (not the collectors and human reaper, they were toys). The reaper on rannoch tells about harbringer...he is in command so, why add some space-kid-guardian? Just throw him out in the changed ending.

4. Give the ultimate endings for paragon and renegade. Shepard is a hero, but heroes don't always die. Sometimes they sacrifice something in their fight but there is no point in not giving the players more choices. The spectrum of choices is all gray, but Paragon shepard is a man that can do anything. That was why cereberus recreated him, that was why he was the on fighting for everyone. If he can't get the galaxy, himself, his friends the best outcome, then he is not a paragon hero from ME1 and ME2.

5. Why does shepard have to fire the crucible at full power? He could have fired it to weaken the enemy and the fleet would finish the reapers off. Also it gives a chance to fight harbringer. You can give it to players via DLC (better free DLC so the company won't loose it's name and reputation). Also get the best ending at 7000 points or more.

6. Why does Shepard listen to guardian... When TIM told me what to do, I told him to shut up, The same with everyone... and now some kid looking thing tells me what to do...He just gives me the beautifull choices on a silver plate that I have to listen? No... make some changes (paragon/renegade) interuptions.

7. Don't strand normandy. There is no point in doing this, the only thing it achieves is making players angry, especially after that all talk about what they will do after all of this. 

8. Add some epiloque....can be text, cutscene with LI or with everyone, scenes for everybody etc. 

Modifié par ronbo_68, 13 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[LaPareidolia]

I don't think I've ever cried because of a game before…but this really hit me hard. This wasn't because it was emotional and amazingly epic like 99% of the game; it was because it made me sad and extremely angry
at my favorite game series. The endings seemed so wrong. I understand that killing Shepard off made for a dramatic end but it doesn’t sit well with me. After spending so much time playing with my character for 3 games…learning to love other characters, the well written story, and the whole mass effect universe …I felt betrayed when they decided the best way to end ME3 was to destroy it all. Killing Shepard and the relays makes it so everyone starts over. Now there isn’t really much story left to do anything with for the fans who write or draw. And that’s how we remember games like this to show how much it meant to us.

And honestly a game that is about player choice gave us 3 endings all very similar that didn’t even make much sense. I think Bioware didn’t fully understand how much fans love this series. After all that time playing the games and buying the DLCs we deserved a good ending where Shepard could survive and the relays
were still there. I'm not saying I want a cheesy Disney ending…but I think with all of Bioware's talented writers they could have come up with something better for at least one of the endings. Destroying everything doesn’t have to be in all of the endings.

Even being a huge fan I don’t think I can even pick up the game again. I've played both 1 and 2 about 8 times through and I had another character ready to go for Mass Effect 3…and I can't bring myself to do it. And I loved the entire game until the last 5 minutes…even with the character deaths (Mordin,Legion) I understood it was necessary and I respected that…but not Shepard's death.

note: I heard about some secret ending you can get with really high good war asset score…and honestly what's the point if there are no relays? Shepard is going to be on a lonely planet forever ...half dead? Normandy crew
stranded? No closure Just my opinion…it's nice to know I'm not alone though.

Modifié par LaPareidolia, 13 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[darthnick427]

Okay my Shepard lived and all because I did the destroy ending but I'm still pissed off as hell. The Normandy got trapped on Gilligan's Planet and My closest squadmate didn't even come out at the end...WTF!!! Why didn't Garrus come out?! Instead Javik came out and Liara did (Liara was a given since she was my LI but wtf!!) I brought Garrus with on every mission! How does that ending sequence work anyway?Can anyone answer this?

Anyway I can head canon the ending after since Shepard is alive but this still feels like a betrayal. We deserve a happy ending after investing so much into this series and I demand a good ending Bioware.

[shadowkinz]

Shepard dying was kind of expected, but i REALLY HATE the destroying the relays thing... even with BOTH OF THOSE TWO...

the scene at the end is unacceptable... the grandfather saying how "perhaps there is life on other worlds with their own stories."
^You know the relays blew up with THOUSANDS of other species stuck on earth and IN EARTH'S ORBIT.. they would have had to settle on earth, so talking about "finding different worlds with different life" is pointless and contradictory =/

(i know u can argue maybe since they have been coexisting, they don't even see them as "alien" anymore, but the fact that the shepard story talks of the alien unification, it'd be obvious they are aliens)

Modifié par shadowkinz, 13 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[Flammenpanzer]

shadowkinz wrote...

Shepard dying was kind of expected, but i REALLY HATE the destroying the relays thing... even with BOTH OF THOSE TWO...

the scene at the end is unacceptable... the grandfather saying how "perhaps there is life on other worlds with their own stories."
^You know the relays blew up with THOUSANDS of other species stuck on earth and IN EARTH'S ORBIT.. they would have had to settle on earth, so talking about "finding different worlds with different life" is pointless and contradictory =/

(i know u can argue maybe since they have been coexisting, they don't even see them as "alien" anymore, but the fact that the shepard story talks of the alien unification, it'd be obvious they are aliens)

That ending scene...stargazer "secret ending" drove the stake in for how awful that ending was.

[DeathOsiris]

shadowkinz wrote...

Shepard dying was kind of expected, but i REALLY HATE the destroying the relays thing... even with BOTH OF THOSE TWO...

the scene at the end is unacceptable... the grandfather saying how "perhaps there is life on other worlds with their own stories."
^You know the relays blew up with THOUSANDS of other species stuck on earth and IN EARTH'S ORBIT.. they would have had to settle on earth, so talking about "finding different worlds with different life" is pointless and contradictory =/

(i know u can argue maybe since they have been coexisting, they don't even see them as "alien" anymore, but the fact that the shepard story talks of the alien unification, it'd be obvious they are aliens)

As far as I can tell, in each ending the relays are destroyed.
On one of the secondary codex listings(The Reaper War -> Desperate Measures) they talk about what would happen if a relay is destroyed.  The destruction of a relay will "liberate enough energy to ruin any terrestrial world in the relay's solar system"
I can not remember if the Sol relay is in earth's solar system or not (think it is).
If it is then earth has been destroyed, along with most / all of the combined combat forces from all the alien races.
I think that Joker was traveling at FTL trying to escape the blast.

On a final note...  With the extra scene (destroy reapers with 5k EMS) it shows Shepard take a deep breath,
In what looks like the ruins of London on earth.  Also Shepard has his/her armor on (from the scenes leading up to the ending, it looked like the armor was vaporized or melted and we were left with torn clothes.)
So might just be an oversight or could be the indoctrination / hallucination ending theory.

Edit: dont know why  "hallucination" showed up a second time

Modifié par DeathOsiris, 13 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[Googleness]

http://www.ign.com/v...3-opinion-video

I've watched this vid on IGH and I was thinking about something,
1. this dude is seriously troubled for some reason.
2. It LOOKS LIKE Bioware\\EA paid or asked IGN to make this vid. Just feels wrong I tell you.

4 days since the game released in Europe and no comment or live signs from bioware team, beneath which desk they're hiding?

[shadowkinz]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

shadowkinz wrote...

Shepard dying was kind of expected, but i REALLY HATE the destroying the relays thing... even with BOTH OF THOSE TWO...

the scene at the end is unacceptable... the grandfather saying how "perhaps there is life on other worlds with their own stories."
^You know the relays blew up with THOUSANDS of other species stuck on earth and IN EARTH'S ORBIT.. they would have had to settle on earth, so talking about "finding different worlds with different life" is pointless and contradictory =/

(i know u can argue maybe since they have been coexisting, they don't even see them as "alien" anymore, but the fact that the shepard story talks of the alien unification, it'd be obvious they are aliens)

That ending scene...stargazer "secret ending" drove the stake in for how awful that ending was.

yeah man it put a knot in my chest =/

[Raven Snow]

DOUBLE POST...

Sorry x

Modifié par Raven Snow, 14 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Raven Snow]

Googleness wrote...

http://www.ign.com/v...3-opinion-video

I've watched this vid on IGH and I was thinking about something,
1. this dude is seriously troubled for some reason.
2. It LOOKS LIKE BiowareEA paid or asked IGN to make this vid. Just feels wrong I tell you.

4 days since the game released in Europe and no comment or live signs from Bioware team, beneath which desk they're hiding?

That video just makes me angry!

First off.... he reason we want the ending changed is because we didn't like it?? What the hell? it's not so much that we dislike the endings (ok, yes, we do, but I disliked the ending to "Vampire Masquerade Bloodlines too - it didn't make me want to petition the creators) The problems with the endings, and the reasons we want them changed are numerous, and much less shallow than 'we simply don't like them'.

* They are full of plot holes! So many plot holes, that I can't even bring myself to spend the next twenty minutes typing it up in an arguement about a video on IGN.

* There was no true variation in the endings, barring different coloured explosions. For a series of games that is based and designed around different paths, options and variations, it makes no sense and is completly insane!

* The endings took all of the choices and decisions and paths your Shepard chose over the previous 90+ hours of game play, it took all the time and effort the development team spent in making you care about Shepard and their NPC's, and it took the fact that it's supposed to be a personalised sotyr and said .... you know what? Here's a multiple choice, with no really different choices, and every single one of them says F**K Y*U when it comes to your game variations.

*There is no happy ending option. Not even a good ending. The best you get is Shepard's burnt armour breathing... which isn't what I'd call good or happy for Shepard since to get that ending you've got to have destroyed the Geth, killed EDI, and you friends are still crash landed in isolation, along with you LI. (Personally, I was looking forward to Garrus' suggestion of retireing to a beach and finding out what a Turian/Human baby looks like, but that's irrelevant... I'd have merely been happy with a battered, alive Shepard reuniting with his/her team)

(I would also like to point out that his examples of Battlestar Galactica and Rosemary's Baby are FILMS not games, and you are therefore less emotionally invested in the characters!)

Secondly, He goes on to say that there is a proper and improper way to go about criticising a project. I agree. However, I also noted that he failed to mention what he deems the "proper" way to go about it.
Personally, I feel, that a petition, group planned letters, and polite discussion on the topic (as displayed by the facebook group http://www.facebook....ngToMassEffect3 ) are actually good and proper ways of going about getting a commercial company to respond to it's consumers. But what do I know?

Thirdly, in response to his statements on Resistance 3. Ok, so he didn't harass the makers on twitter, or 'tank their score' on Metacritic. Fine, but isn't it possible that his opinion in that scenario was in the minority? That most players of resistance three were fine with the ending? or at least able to feel mostly satisfied?
Whereas with Mass Effect 3, as show by a poll on the boards here ( http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ ) 97% of players WERE NOT HAPPY. This is a little different than a few people not completely satisfied. If the scores were reversed, and I was one of the three percent not happy with Mass Effect 3.... Then I'm sulk at home, and then deal with it... but knowing it's not just me, and that I'm not the only person atrociously let down means I know I'm not over reacting, or that I didn't hype up what could happen in my own mind. I was not the only person who expected more, and didn't get it delivered.

"Go back and change the ending of the game. As if you wrote the fiction and they didn't. As if it's your game, and not theirs"
I hate to break it to this guy, but by making us so emotionally invested in the characters, by giving us the diversity and variety and the options of our own paths, and the effects of our own decisions affecting OUR games... Bioware made each Shepard OUR Shepard. They made each game universe OUR universe and they gave us the right to want to give THEIR characters some kind of justice for the hardships they've had to endure.

He continues onto the Ashes Day One DLC. I don't feel I can comment on this. I don't, won't and never will buy DLC. For the same reason I won't buy subscriptions to MMORPG's.
If I buy a game, I want the disc. If you're not going to give me all created content on my disc, I don't want it.
I bought Dragon Age Awakenings, as it was an on-disc expansion. I have not purchased any DLC's however. Therefore, I don't have an opinion beyond what I've already written.
However, his comments about Bioware and EA wanting to make money? Surely they could have included the DLC in game, and upped the game price by whatever they're charging for the DLC... not ideal, as I feel it was expensive enough as it is... but it would have stopped the day one DLC argument before it even started, no?
And they wouldn't have been loosing money (presumably).

Lastly, this guy brings up "entitlement". Claiming that we feel we're being charged too much for games, etc, etc and then going on to tell us how lucky we are, since we're getting games cheaper than we did when he was a child.

At this point, he begins swearing in earnest, and his tone becomes almost argumentative, and offensive, but this is besides the point.

If I minded maying £35.00 for this game, I wouldn't have bought it. It's just that simple... however... for £35.00 I don't expect an ending to a (otherwise amazing) game to feel like it's been hashed together in under a week by amateurs.

Despite this... I don't believe I've heard or read about one single player complaining about the price. Granted, I don't frequent the boards as much as some... but I've heard not one whisper on complain in this area, so where is he getting his information? Or is he simply basing it off what previous gamer complaints have centred around?

Overall, his arguments have no basis in what gamers and consumers issues truly are with this game. He may have come close on the Day One DLC issue, I don't know about that, but otherwise? this guy is so far off the mark, it's almost laughable if I wasn't so damn angry at him.

[Raven Snow]

This guy deserves a medal.

[DemonSlayer_1]

Its been a few days since I beat the game and I started to look more closely at the ending. To understand why bioware chose such a horrible ending.

Here are my thoughts
When you are hit by the beam, you are being indoctronated. Who says the reaper beam kills, the catalyst and other parts of the series spoke about indoctrination as saving or ascending organic beings. "THAT WHICH YOU KNOW AS REAPERS ARE YOUR SALVATION, NOT YOUR DESTRUCTION."

Destroying the mass relays resets the galactic balance. You save everyone from the reapers, but trap them in the same system, however they can rebuild the mass relays. It just might take awhile.

Controlling the reapers is an illusion during indoctronation, eventhough its meant to be the paragon choice since the blast is blue. Turning everyone into synthetics is a green blast which is neutral choice. Destroying the reapers is the renegade choice since the blast is red. Its also the only choice in which shepard can survive the fight with the reapers and win the war.

When shepard survives there is rubble and rocks around him. Nothing metallic from the citadel exploding.
This tells you that it was all an indoctrination process that shepard had to overcome.

If you look at it from this way you will see that the only true and proper choice to avoid the vision of you being a reaper while holding the child is the renegade option where shepard survives by destroying and killing the reapers. If you choose to control or change stuff you are indoctrinated with the illusion of winning. If this is all correct then the ending fits. Shepard must overcome what he saw in the vision to survive properly.

Bioware always gives hints to your ending
ME2 Blow the base - Blue behind the illusive man
ME2 Save The Base - Red behind illusive man
ME3 Turn to synthetics - Green Blast (Neutral)
ME3 Control the reapers - Blue Blast
ME3 Destroy the reapers - Red blast

I hated the ending until i truly began to understand it. Everything, but the renegade ending shepard dies in.
I still don't understand why joker was running from the massive energy wave, but I like to think that he crashes on earth somewhere along with the rest of my party members. As for the story part with the kid and guy talking, well I replaced it with a blank *.bik file that that just shows a black screen for one whole second. Those two talking after the credits roll is what really irked me. That was the part that I hated most and the mass relays, being destroyed until you look at how it resets the galaxy giving them another chance.5 years of an investment and it was all a story being told between two people.

=======================================================================================
Shepard accomplished everything he set out to do.
Kill the reapers and end the cycle - Done
Save the galaxy - Done
Make sure those you know and care about have a future - Done
Make sure all races have a future - Done
Unite all races - Done

Modifié par DemonSlayer_1, 14 mars 2012 - 03:13 .

[Calette]

I don't usually make posts on forums but I have a critical problem with the ending.  Not because my Shepard died at the end, but because  I didn't get the full ending with Joker stepping out of the Normandy and viewing the new home planet with EDI, which is what some people have been experiencing.  I didn't get that.  My cut scene stopped as the door of the Normandy open and black.  That's it!  I was like what happening?  What did I do wrong??!  This is bugging the hell out of me.  Did I buy a bad disk or something?  Can someone explain to me what I need to do?  I played the first ME and the second.  And I didn't even get the middle choice.  So most of the things you guys are talking about, I didn't even experience.  Now that sucks

[Wolvy]

DemonSlayer_1 wrote...

Its been a few days since I beat the game and I started to look more closely at the ending. To understand why bioware chose such a horrible ending.

Here are my thoughts
When you are hit by the beam, you are being indoctronated. Who says the reaper beam kills, the catalyst and other parts of the series spoke about indoctrination as saving or ascending organic beings. "THAT WHICH YOU KNOW AS REAPERS ARE YOUR SALVATION, NOT YOUR DESTRUCTION."

Destroying the mass relays resets the galactic balance. You save everyone from the reapers, but trap them in the same system, however they can rebuild the mass relays. It just might take awhile.

Controlling the reapers is an illusion during indoctronation, eventhough its meant to be the paragon choice since the blast is blue. Turning everyone into synthetics is a green blast which is neutral choice. Destroying the reapers is the renegade choice since the blast is red. Its also the only choice in which shepard can survive the fight with the reapers and win the war.

When shepard survives there is rubble and rocks around him. Nothing metallic from the citadel exploding.
This tells you that it was all an indoctrination process that shepard had to overcome.

If you look at it from this way you will see that the only true and proper choice to avoid the vision of you being a reaper while holding the child is the renegade option where shepard survives by destroying and killing the reapers. If you choose to control or change stuff you are indoctrinated with the illusion of winning. If this is all correct then the ending fits. Shepard must overcome what he saw in the vision to survive properly.

Bioware always gives hints to your ending
ME2 Blow the base - Blue behind the illusive man
ME2 Save The Base - Red behind illusive man
ME3 Turn to synthetics - Green Blast (Neutral)
ME3 Control the reapers - Blue Blast
ME3 Destroy the reapers - Red blast

I hated the ending until i truly began to understand it. Everything, but the renegade ending shepard dies in.
I still don't understand why joker was running from the massive energy wave, but I like to think that he crashes on earth somewhere along with the rest of my party members. As for the story part with the kid and guy talking, well I replaced it with a blank *.bik file that that just shows a black screen for one whole second. Those two talking after the credits roll is what really irked me. That was the part that I hated most and the mass relays, being destroyed until you look at how it resets the galaxy giving them another chance.5 years of an investment and it was all a story being told between two people.

=======================================================================================
Shepard accomplished everything he set out to do.
Kill the reapers and end the cycle - Done
Save the galaxy - Done
Make sure those you know and care about have a future - Done
Make sure all races have a future - Done
Unite all races - Done

I can see what your saying Demon and that is a very interesting point for sure.   But the problem I have with that red ending and rejecting the indoctrination is that you would also be killing EDI and she is part of your crew. Why would you want to kill her? The geth I can understand, we have been killing them since ME1 and 2, or at least it was the heretics. IF it was only destroying the reapers and possibly the relays then I could agree with that decision but I could not kill EDI.  

[RVallant]

shadowkinz wrote...

Shepard dying was kind of expected, but i REALLY HATE the destroying the relays thing... even with BOTH OF THOSE TWO...

the scene at the end is unacceptable... the grandfather saying how "perhaps there is life on other worlds with their own stories."
^You know the relays blew up with THOUSANDS of other species stuck on earth and IN EARTH'S ORBIT.. they would have had to settle on earth, so talking about "finding different worlds with different life" is pointless and contradictory =/

(i know u can argue maybe since they have been coexisting, they don't even see them as "alien" anymore, but the fact that the shepard story talks of the alien unification, it'd be obvious they are aliens)

Because it's a 'legend' and a 'story' with some of the details being lost to their time. Shepard and his actions is  folklore, a legend, a myth, you're whinging on a point that is slapping you in the face ;;

[Raven Snow]

Calette wrote...

I don't usually make posts on forums but I have a critical problem with the ending.  Not because my Shepard died at the end, but because  I didn't get the full ending with Joker stepping out of the Normandy and viewing the new home planet with EDI, which is what some people have been experiencing.  I didn't get that.  My cut scene stopped as the door of the Normandy open and black.  That's it!  I was like what happening?  What did I do wrong??!  This is bugging the hell out of me.  Did I buy a bad disk or something?  Can someone explain to me what I need to do?  I played the first ME and the second.  And I didn't even get the middle choice.  So most of the things you guys are talking about, I didn't even experience.  Now that sucks

It's not  a bad disk. I can't remember, off the top of my head, which option you choose for that one, but that is one of the 'endings'.
But yes, you're right. It does suck

x

[MetalCargo999]

Ok... so you guys might think this is a silly question, but I have to ask it anyway because I'm slightly confused as to how bioware wanted to end the series.  In ME2 Arrival dlc, the destruction of a mass relay destroys an entire system, yes?  So when Shepard destroys all the mass relays, isn't he actually destroying all the systems that the relays orbit around, so that he just destroyed Earth, Thessia and Tuchanka anyway, only he included the reapers?  So Shepard saves the galaxy by almost completely destroying it, and the only people left alive are the species living on planets far away from mass relays and, of course, the Normandy crew.  Any thoughts?

[Raven Snow]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Ok... so you guys might think this is a silly question, but I have to ask it anyway because I'm slightly confused as to how bioware wanted to end the series.  In ME2 Arrival dlc, the destruction of a mass relay destroys an entire system, yes?  So when Shepard destroys all the mass relays, isn't he actually destroying all the systems that the relays orbit around, so that he just destroyed Earth, Thessia and Tuchanka anyway, only he included the reapers?  So Shepard saves the galaxy by almost completely destroying it, and the only people left alive are the species living on planets far away from mass relays and, of course, the Normandy crew.  Any thoughts?

My thoughts are that this is a VERY good question.

[Nighthunteer]

Look at the eyes!

Modifié par Nighthunteer, 14 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Natureguy85]

I guess the only way to get around the mass relays blowing up and destroying everything is to suppose the energy gets released or shut down before and then they just blow up through a more conventional explosion, rather than the full energy being ruptured, say by a giant asteroid. I don't like it period, but I guess you could look at it that way.

That said, destroying the relays should be ONE outcome, not all 3. False choice.

The only good thing about the ending is the music along with the montage of Shepard's friends, switching to him performing whichever action (him dissolving during the "control" option in particular) were very sad and grabbed me emotionally. I have to give them credit for that. Still, doesn't feel like a win. Contrast to sacrificing your warden in Dragon Age: Origins, where you gave everyone else a real future. But it wasn't the ONLY option.

Someone else said it best. They gave us choices for 3 games only to take it away at the end. The more I think about it, the more I hate several things about this game (Why can't I save at Hammer FOB? It's a very important scene). I really enjoyed it up until the end, but there are things that really bother me. Makes me wonder if I'd like the game much at all if I wasn't so invested after enjoying ME1 and ME2.

[Natureguy85]

Nighthunteer wrote...

Look at the eyes!

Yes, we know Shepard has synthetics in him from ME2. I started wondering the other day if they killed Shepard in ME2 just so the kid could say "even you are partly synthetic". If that's true, I'll be pissed.

I also wonder how the Illusive Man got blasted. If he is the servant, wouldn't he be let in?