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[Sycraft]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm sorry you feel that way, Sycraft, but surprisingly, ME3 multiplayer has been getting an overwhelmingly positive reaction from ME3 fans. Not just overwhelmingly positive, more like overwhelmingly fantasti-awesome! Since the multiplayer demo was released, we have been getting a tremendous amount of positive feedback here in our community and elsewhere in gaming-land. And the best part is, it's completely optional.!

Well sorry if you don't wish to hear any negative feedback. I hate the multiplayer. I decided to give it more of a chance, played to level 11, and I stand by my position even stronger now. It is a bad version of Left 4 Dead. The game mechanics are not particularly suited to such a shooty environment. I feel it was a bad choice, and so I'm going to let you know. I'll see how the single player experience goes since that is the reason I bought ME3 however I'm very turned off by the idea of multiplayer affecting what was a single player game.

If you don't like the multiplayer, you never have to play it. At all.
You'll just have to play through more side quests in the single-player
game in order to achieve the same results. in the future, i would
recommend you do your research before making an angry doom-and-gloom
post, because we've been talking about the multiplayer for a little
while now.

In my opinion that is a rather silly suggestion. A person shouldn't have to do research on games. They are, well, games, not a job. The game itself should include all necessary explanation. However the game really seems interested in pushing the multiplayer aspect. The galaxy is in bad shape, your chances are "very poor" BUT if you play multiplayer you can improve that.

I also feel more than a bit cynical about the reason for it being there. To me it seems more like a monetary decision by the publisher rather than a creative decision by the developer between the "online pass" to discourage secondary game sales (kinda silly on the PC, given it is tied to Origin and thus de facto non-resalable) and the thing of "You character sucks and has no good weapons. You CAN play, lose, and wait to get money OR you can give us real money and we'll give you a bunch of goodies."

So sorry if you do not wish to hear my opinion on multiplayer, but this is it and it is negative. I feel it was a bad idea to put it in such that it interacts with the single player in any way. Having played it more, my opinion is unchanged. Not every game should evolve in to a multiplayer shooty.

I just want to let you know how I feel. If you don't care, that's fine, you don't answer to me in any way other than that if I don't like your games, you don't get my money. I am tossing in my feelings on things: I hate the multiplayer, and I would like to see it decoupled form the singleplayer entirely.

[Zzinged]

Too bad. Many of us are having fun with the MP. You're welcome to your opinion, but given that you're not going to budge from your camp there's really no need to defend your point of view. You're not going to convince anyone who likes the MP otherwise, nor will we be able to convince you.

What you're saying about the MP affecting SP is wrong though. You can improve your war chances by collecting war assets. MP's galactic readiness level is like a bonus for people who enjoy the MP.

Your not playing MP does NOT put you at any disadvantage at all whatsoever.

[Lionheartwolf]

i know its baby steps so i guess i have to accept the flaws because tbh i really want to see more coop in bioware games. i know people really enjoy the SP aspect of the game, but i never could get through a single bioware game without thinking how much fun it would be if one of my allies were actually one of my friends. it would even bring making decisions to a new interesting height as it would no longer be about memorizing which options to pick to maintain certain friendships but you would actually see where you and your friends really stand when it comes to certain things, but alas all i can do is dream and support any attempt at coop no matter how many flaws it has.

dont get me wrong overall the coop is great, but definitely needs some improvements the next time they decide to add it to a game.

[IPLASTIKMAN]

Sycraft wrote...

Bolting on a silly Left 4 Dead type game to an RPG is not interesting, not fun, and not at all what I want. If I want to go play a multiplayer shootie, I'll fire up Battlefield 3. For Mass Effect 3, I want to play single player. The reason I buy Bioware RPGs (every Bioware RPG ever made so far for Windows) is for the great single player story experience. I buy other games for multiplayer of various types (like BF3).

Now what makes this such a bad idea is the influence on the single player game. I am not interested in the MP aspect. I fired it up to give it a quick try, and I hate it. No surprise, I hated Left 4 Dead. This would be fine but I'm not at all interested in having or participate in something totally outside of the regular game experience.

So, we'll see how things go. If I find that indeed the single player can stand on its own, you can win the war all in there, then I'm a happy camper, though I still maintain it is a bad idea. If I find out that isn't the case I'm going to be real pissed off and this will likely be my last Bioware RPG purchase.

People have different kinds of games they like and don't like and it is a real bad idea to try and force one game type on another.

So my advice would be in a future patch decouple the multi-player from the single player entirely. You've spent the resources on it, so no point in getting rid of it or anything, but basically acknowledge that you've made two games: A (hopefully) epic SP RPG and a mediocre L4D clone. Let people play whichever they like and don't have one influence the other.

wow guy makes one post and notices that MP is fun to everyone and he hasnt set foot back in this topic lol

trolololol

[Jamsxo]

Sycraft wrote...

Bolting on a silly Left 4 Dead type game to an RPG is not interesting, not fun, and not at all what I want. If I want to go play a multiplayer shootie, I'll fire up Battlefield 3. For Mass Effect 3, I want to play single player. The reason I buy Bioware RPGs (every Bioware RPG ever made so far for Windows) is for the great single player story experience. I buy other games for multiplayer of various types (like BF3).

Now what makes this such a bad idea is the influence on the single player game. I am not interested in the MP aspect. I fired it up to give it a quick try, and I hate it. No surprise, I hated Left 4 Dead. This would be fine but I'm not at all interested in having or participate in something totally outside of the regular game experience.

So, we'll see how things go. If I find that indeed the single player can stand on its own, you can win the war all in there, then I'm a happy camper, though I still maintain it is a bad idea. If I find out that isn't the case I'm going to be real pissed off and this will likely be my last Bioware RPG purchase.

People have different kinds of games they like and don't like and it is a real bad idea to try and force one game type on another.

So my advice would be in a future patch decouple the multi-player from the single player entirely. You've spent the resources on it, so no point in getting rid of it or anything, but basically acknowledge that you've made two games: A (hopefully) epic SP RPG and a mediocre L4D clone. Let people play whichever they like and don't have one influence the other.

They've stated enough times that Multiplayer is not a necessity to get the best ending in SP. You can get max war assets and 100% galactic readiness just by playing SP. No one's forcing you to play multiplayer. If you don't like it, don't play it.

[Sycraft]

wow guy makes one post and notices that MP is fun to everyone and he hasnt set foot back in this topic lol

trolololol

You posted that after my second post so I fail to see how you figure, unless you've not been reading it. I don't spend a ton of time on the forums so no, I'm not rushing in to respond to every post, but I did come back. I made my first post after seeing MP integrating with SP and trying a tiny bit. I then figured perhaps it wasn't fair, so I went back and played enough games to reach level 11 (5 or so). My opinion has changed not at all, I still feel it is garbage.

Also you may wish to read their policy regarding personal attacks. Calling someone a troll is not particularly kind. I'm not trolling, I'm expressing my opinion.

They've stated enough times that Multiplayer is not a necessity to get the best ending in SP. You can get max war assets and 100% galactic readiness just by playing SP. No one's forcing you to play multiplayer. If you don't like it, don't play it.

That is not accurate. Best ending, perhaps (I've not yet completed the game). 100% readiness, nope, not unless they introduce that extremely late in the game. Nothing I've done SP has affected readiness at all. Also I'm fairly far in, over 30 hours and the mission I'm about to go on got me a "make sure you are ready this begins the final push" talk so I have to assume it is near the end. I've done all side quests, found everything I can and so on. Added plenty of points, but changed readiness not a whit.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I love the multiplayer. It is INTENSE on Gold and Silver, if you're fighting Reapers. Military, Robot, Zombie targets. Three completely different enemies that you would very seldom ever see in the same game at once, which gives a surprisingly good amount of variety to this.

[dyrebar-]

Sycraft wrote...

wow guy makes one post and notices that MP is fun to everyone and he hasnt set foot back in this topic lol

trolololol

You posted that after my second post so I fail to see how you figure, unless you've not been reading it. I don't spend a ton of time on the forums so no, I'm not rushing in to respond to every post, but I did come back. I made my first post after seeing MP integrating with SP and trying a tiny bit. I then figured perhaps it wasn't fair, so I went back and played enough games to reach level 11 (5 or so). My opinion has changed not at all, I still feel it is garbage.

Also you may wish to read their policy regarding personal attacks. Calling someone a troll is not particularly kind. I'm not trolling, I'm expressing my opinion.

They've stated enough times that Multiplayer is not a necessity to get the best ending in SP. You can get max war assets and 100% galactic readiness just by playing SP. No one's forcing you to play multiplayer. If you don't like it, don't play it.

That is not accurate. Best ending, perhaps (I've not yet completed the game). 100% readiness, nope, not unless they introduce that extremely late in the game. Nothing I've done SP has affected readiness at all. Also I'm fairly far in, over 30 hours and the mission I'm about to go on got me a "make sure you are ready this begins the final push" talk so I have to assume it is near the end. I've done all side quests, found everything I can and so on. Added plenty of points, but changed readiness not a whit.

Galatic Readiness is nothing but a gimmick. As already stated several times, you just need to collect some extra War Asset to make up for it. So you can play SP without EVER having to do MP and still get the most out of it.

[Gilgamesh I]

I like MP in ME3.

What I think should be changed - it is silly crates with random rewards. Give us normal store with weapons/upgrades etc.

[R1cky Da Man 19]

Should of been story driven mp missions (seperate story to sp) weopons and uprades should be found in containers in game (you should have to hack em open like in sp) and consumables should have to be bought at a store.

bronze - common wepeons and uprades found.
silver - uncommon and the odd rare wepeons and upgrades found.
gold - rare and very rare wepeons and upgrades found.

Character unlocks could of been rewards for finishing certain missions on certain difficulty levels...

Still im enjoying the mp mode as is, just it could of been so much better...

Maybe in the future via DLC? at least for real missions anyway.
I understand it would be too much to chane the rest.

Modifié par R1cky Da Man 19, 11 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[panzermoi]

I love MP, is just too additive and fantastic, haters gonna hate.

[FreyarS]

I wonder.. should someone who doesn't want to play online be able to buy a copy of Mass Effect 3 at a $10 discount essentially removing his Online Pass? I mean.. that's what $10 of the game's price is for, right?

Full Disclosure: I like the multiplayer.

[elferin91]

Sycraft wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm sorry you feel that way, Sycraft, but surprisingly, ME3 multiplayer has been getting an overwhelmingly positive reaction from ME3 fans. Not just overwhelmingly positive, more like overwhelmingly fantasti-awesome! Since the multiplayer demo was released, we have been getting a tremendous amount of positive feedback here in our community and elsewhere in gaming-land. And the best part is, it's completely optional.!

Well sorry if you don't wish to hear any negative feedback. I hate the multiplayer. I decided to give it more of a chance, played to level 11, and I stand by my position even stronger now. It is a bad version of Left 4 Dead. The game mechanics are not particularly suited to such a shooty environment. I feel it was a bad choice, and so I'm going to let you know. I'll see how the single player experience goes since that is the reason I bought ME3 however I'm very turned off by the idea of multiplayer affecting what was a single player game.

oh god nobody cares about your one negative feedback, majority of BSN really loves mutliplayer

[BioTick]

I mean, really?

A lot of Mass Effect diehard fans (myself included) were more than a bit skeptical about the whole idea of a Mass Effect multiplayer feature from the very beginning (and with good reason!). That's why both BW and EA have been promoting the fact that MP is entirely otionnal FROM DAY 1.

You can hate MP. That's your right and I absolutely respect it. I won't even try to convince you otherwise even if I fervently disagree with you.

But do not blame either BW or EA for not informing you. They went the extra mile to promote that the best ending in the SP campaign could absolutely be achieved without ever touching MP. In fact, every single one of the 16 endings CAN be earned without EVER booting multiplayer.

They did their job.

Every Mass Effect fan knows that.

Modifié par BioTick, 11 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[Raycer X]

I enjoy online co-op as much as most people, but the unlock system is terrible. It feels like gambling in some aspects (well, at least I feel that way).

Edit: The only thing that could have made this better is if there were more than just 4 maps and 3 enemy types. Honestly, it can get really repetitive (at least for me). Something tells me that Bioware/EA might try and pull off a map-pack DLC for $10-15.

Modifié par Raycer X, 11 mars 2012 - 03:51 .

[Sycraft]

BioTick wrote...

A lot of Mass Effect diehard fans (myself included) were more than a bit skeptical about the whole idea of a Mass Effect multiplayer feature from the very beginning (and with good reason!). That's why both BW and EA have been promoting the fact that MP is entirely otionnal FROM DAY 1.

I am now not convinced of that. So there's an FAQ out for ME3 now. I shouldn't have ot say it but I'll say it anyhow that the guide contains some spoilers so don't read it if you want want them, You can find it on GameFAQs. It breaks down the Readiness Ratings you need to have various ending options available to you. The top requires 5000 or more.

Ok well I did every side quest I could find in the game. All of them, they are all greyed out. I suppose I could have missed a few in theory but I kinda doubt it. My choices were always made with the idea of getting more support and seemed to work in that regard. I completed all the DLC from ME1 and ME2 for the import, and in those games everyone survived except for the required deaths. Yet all I managed to obtain, raw score, was 7163. That means a net score at 50% of 3581.

Now even assuming I missed a few things, I didn't miss over 25% of the game, which is what you are talking to get to the 10,000 minimum raw score.

I'll probably have to break out my debugger and see if I can see what is actually going on in the code, since I'm curious now, but preliminary information seems to indicate you MUST increase galactic readiness to get all the ending options and the only way to do that is multi-player.

[BioTick]

Sycraft wrote...

BioTick wrote...

A lot of Mass Effect diehard fans (myself included) were more than a bit skeptical about the whole idea of a Mass Effect multiplayer feature from the very beginning (and with good reason!). That's why both BW and EA have been promoting the fact that MP is entirely otionnal FROM DAY 1.

I am now not convinced of that.

Well, then, be convinced.

On October 10th, Casey Hudson revealed through Twitter:
"Yes. Co-op MP missions for #ME3: they're real and they're spectacular. Rest assured, it's nothing of what you feared. More soon."

And also on October 10th, Chris Priestly declared:
"It is important to note that the system is entirely optional and just another way players can have control over your game experience," Priestly wrote. "It is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone."

Source:
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1199220p1.html
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1199462p1.html




Edit:
I just found out IGN also has a spoiler-free FAQ about all the 17 endings (one more than I heard was possible!)and how to get them. You might want to check it out. Cheers!

http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings

Modifié par BioTick, 11 mars 2012 - 04:47 .

[Duranndal]

The multiplayer is the best part of the game, sadly. I mean... ME3 is still a good game, but everything in the single player except the combat is pretty disappointing coming from 1 & 2.

[Brugdor]

Sycraft wrote...

Bolting on a silly Left 4 Dead type game to an RPG is not interesting, not fun, and not at all what I want. If I want to go play a multiplayer shootie, I'll fire up Battlefield 3. For Mass Effect 3, I want to play single player. The reason I buy Bioware RPGs (every Bioware RPG ever made so far for Windows) is for the great single player story experience. I buy other games for multiplayer of various types (like BF3).

Now what makes this such a bad idea is the influence on the single player game. I am not interested in the MP aspect. I fired it up to give it a quick try, and I hate it. No surprise, I hated Left 4 Dead. This would be fine but I'm not at all interested in having or participate in something totally outside of the regular game experience.

So, we'll see how things go. If I find that indeed the single player can stand on its own, you can win the war all in there, then I'm a happy camper, though I still maintain it is a bad idea. If I find out that isn't the case I'm going to be real pissed off and this will likely be my last Bioware RPG purchase.

People have different kinds of games they like and don't like and it is a real bad idea to try and force one game type on another.

So my advice would be in a future patch decouple the multi-player from the single player entirely. You've spent the resources on it, so no point in getting rid of it or anything, but basically acknowledge that you've made two games: A (hopefully) epic SP RPG and a mediocre L4D clone. Let people play whichever they like and don't have one influence the other.

Heh weird. I'm exactly the opposite. I love the co-op play and the SP game is boring me to tears so far. I've only made it to the Citadel because the story is putting me to sleep. The five minute cut scenes are ridiculous.

Also, I don't seem to have been given any of the pre-order goodies in the SP game that I was supposed to get (the N7 weapons). I have the launcher from playing Kingdoms of Amalur but that's it.

[Sycraft]

BioTick wrote...

Edit:
I just found out IGN also has a spoiler-free FAQ about all the 17 endings (one more than I heard was possible!)and how to get them. You might want to check it out. Cheers!

http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings

And from that guide "If your readiness rating is at 5,000". Which is what I was talking about. If you need a net rating of 5,000, you need 10,000 raw (at 50%).

[Travisk]

I disagree. Multiplayer is quite fun, and this is coming from someone who usually does not enjoy multiplayer modes.

[Eric13574]

Sycraft wrote...

BioTick wrote...

Edit:
I just found out IGN also has a spoiler-free FAQ about all the 17 endings (one more than I heard was possible!)and how to get them. You might want to check it out. Cheers!

http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings

And from that guide "If your readiness rating is at 5,000". Which is what I was talking about. If you need a net rating of 5,000, you need 10,000 raw (at 50%).

The SP in game bar fills up at about 3,000, my first playthough I ended up with about 5,800, did every mission and got every asset available.  Different choices may have netted me more, but even then the only way to max at readiness at 50% would be to complete everything AND make the "right" choices (the ones that would net more assets).

IMO it's stupid, MP should have no effect on SP, I imagine 6-8 months from now I'll want to just randomly play through SP again, but first I'll have to play 30 rounds of MP so I can have a good ending.

If people want to play MP, that's great, but people who don't shouldn't be punished for it.

[LethalEdge]

I was a bit skeptical about having MP in Mass Effect 3 at first but after playing it I'm having a loads of fun with it. Just wish the unlock system was a bit better though...

[BioTick]

So let's sum it all up:
-Bioware repeatedly declared it's possible to achieve the best possible endings through SP alone.
-The best endings require at least 5000pts of Galactic Readiness.
-The War Assets you collected from your playthrough seem insufficient to achieve a Readiness of 5000pts.
-The multiplayer portion of the game is not to your liking and discussing it cannot change your mind.

This being a spoiler-free section of the forum, I simply cannot see how further discussion on this thread can solve your issue with the game.

I suggest you try to find answers in the Story & Campaign Discussion board where specific plot points, side quests, war assets aquisition and any form of spoilers can all be discussed at length.

Good luck, mate.

(Edited for clarity!)

Modifié par BioTick, 11 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[plebeianprint]

I believe, with more certainty than religious zealots have in their faith, that if Mass Effect fans sat down and played the multiplayer with friends, or even a halfway decent, chatty team, that they'd love it. Multiplayer is amazing.

MP has distilled the combat from single player into this overwhelmingly intense and enjoyable group experience. The highs of a hard-fought victory, contrasted by the lows of a wandering team failure are intense. I love it.