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[Aargh12]

Fortack wrote...

PC gaming revenue will exceed all console gaming revenue within a year or two:

http://www.pcgamer.c...nsoles-by-2014/

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Lol, nVidia saying that PC games will outsell console games is the same as Sony telling us that console games will outsell PC games. It's obvious. They have interest in that and will tell everything to their consumers.

Plus, read the article:
Before we get too excited, though, a lot of the money that’s being talked about isn’t from retail sales or even digital downloads – PC gaming in the traditional sense is not going to be a bigger market than all the consoles combined any time soon. Rather it’s a reflection of booming growth in free-to-play models and microtransactions for Facebook games et al – which won’t sell many graphics cards. 

[rastakore]

nici2412 wrote...

galligaro wrote...

Everybody and I do mean everysingle person who I know that owns a gaming pc is gonna torrent this game.

http://www.amazon.de...f=pd_dp_ts_vg_1

The Pc Version of Mass Effect 3 is 1st. (Xbox 4th and Ps3 6th)  on the amazon.de selling list.
So just because all of your friends are software pirates, that doesn't mean there are no people buying the game legally.

http://www.amazon.co...zgbs/videogames

True story

Modifié par rastakore, 06 mars 2012 - 01:51 .

[Kakaw]

So, no pc version = more money. Hmmm.

12000 on piratebay, and how many preorders exactly?

Modifié par Kakaw, 06 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[A4RiZ0812]

Well if your not playing multiplayer, why won't people do it?
Unfortunately its ridiculously easy to do plus dlc's are also free.
With people struggling with money, its a no brainer.
People I'm sure are also doing it on XB360. An old version of XB360 console is quite cheap to mod & play pirate offline games. Thing is these people would never have pre-ordered or buy the game until it drops in price and most likely purchase pre-owned.

Although obviously piracy is wrong there are some people that will treat it as a "full" demo. So by trying out the full game, they may end up purchasing the proper game when they normally wouldn't have as the demo wasn't enough to make up their mind.
Same goes for movies, music etc.

[rastakore]

Kakaw wrote...

So, no pc version = more money. Hmmm.

12000 on piratebay, and how many preorders exactly?

1 pirated copy doest not equal to a lost sale.

[Descedent]

OMG You can PIRATE THE 360 VERSION AS WELL!

[WarChicken78]

Hurr Durr....

I will enjoy my legally bought N7 CE for the PC on thursday.
I hope Amazon ships in time.

[Alex_SM]

Aargh12 wrote...

Fortack wrote...

PC gaming revenue will exceed all console gaming revenue within a year or two:

http://www.pcgamer.c...nsoles-by-2014/

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Lol, nVidia saying that PC games will outsell console games is the same as Sony telling us that console games will outsell PC games. It's obvious. They have interest in that and will tell everything to their consumers.

You know that Nvidia provides the graphic card for PS3 (and Ati for Xbox360), and will do the same for the next generation of consoles, right?

[kotli]

There's a few things 1: Console Piracy is just as easy as PC Piracy. Ok it a bit harder on the Xbox due to hardware mods being need.
2: Theres no real numbers for Piracy, well I never seen any numbers its all estimated, with no mention of where data come from or now its been analysed. Ok I know they can use Torrents to get an idea but no one says that theres X torrent DL. <- Even this is iffy as it depends on the torrent copy working propperly when DLed, if it dont that means the number doubles.
3: Its possible for consoles makers to squash piracy complaints with a simple you mention piracy on our console we block you from selling game for it.

Modifié par kotli, 06 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[Jonttu1]

Used games sales on the consoles are a much bigger concern than piracy on the PC.

[Aargh12]

Alex_SM wrote...
You know that Nvidia provides the graphic card for PS3 (and Ati for Xbox360), and will do the same for the next generation of consoles, right?

They only develop it, console manufacturer produces it and nVidia and AMD get way less money than when they make it themselves.

[Fortack]

Aargh12 wrote...

Fortack wrote...

PC gaming revenue will exceed all console gaming revenue within a year or two:

http://www.pcgamer.c...nsoles-by-2014/

/ end

Lol, nVidia saying that PC games will outsell console games is the same as Sony telling us that console games will outsell PC games. It's obvious. They have interest in that and will tell everything to their consumers.

Plus, read the article:
Before we get too excited, though, a lot of the money that’s being talked about isn’t from retail sales or even digital downloads – PC gaming in the traditional sense is not going to be a bigger market than all the consoles combined any time soon. Rather it’s a reflection of booming growth in free-to-play models and microtransactions for Facebook games et al – which won’t sell many graphics cards. 

I guess reading is hard these days   The data comes from DFC Intelligence - not NVidia. But whatever. It's funny that you dismiss your own point though with the quote from the article

How money is generated is completely irrelevant. The OP claims that piracy is killing the PC gaming industry which simply isn't true. In fact, ME3 is already leaning towards the business model mentioned in the article - with all its DLC, add-ons and MP transactions.

[Sir Alex Ice]

 The only problem with the original post is that the forum is full of people going crazy about not finding the N7 Collector Edition to buy. Including myself.

[Teldara]

 I bought the game...

D2D had a 20% off every game and pre-order sale a while ago. Pre-ordered N7 Digital Edition for $63.

Why torrent when I can be smart-ish finding sales?

[apoc_reg]

Get lost mate, I paid £55 for my CE PC version as I have for both other games and I would hate to not see it on PC.

If you dont know anyone who isnt a theif maybe you should start hanging around with more reputable peopel and take a look in the mirror.

(damn, shouldnt feed trolls!)

[Costin_Razvan]

One major thing a lot of people forget about Piracy is that there are lot of countries where games just aren't sold. That's where piracy numbers are the highest. Look at China, most games aren't sold there.

The main market for EA is the "West" + a few other countries like Russia. So statistics on piracy do not represent the money lost for publishers.

If anything publishers should say FU to consoles with the used game sale market, which in my mind is worse then piracy.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[TehJumpingJawa]

In the case of ME3 there are reasons for piracy beyond financial motives:

- Play before official release. Staggered release = epic fail.
- Mod the game without risk of being banned. Stupid controls & FoV = epic fail.
- Play without having to install Origin. Origin = epic fail.
- You get to play the full game. Day 1 DLC = epic fail.

Modifié par TehJumpingJawa, 06 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[Costin_Razvan]

TehJumpingJawa wrote...

In the case of ME3 there are reasons for piracy beyond financial motives:

- Play before official release. Staggered release = epic fail.
- Mod the game without risk of being banned. Stupid controls & FoV = epic fail.
- Play without having to install Origin. Origin = epic fail.

You can just as easily be able to play the full game without cracks or torrents, and since when does Bioware ban people for using FoV mods?!

As for Origin. As someone who lives in a country where retailers are ALL **** I find digitial distribuiton as a blessing. Don't try and justify piracy on these arguments.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mars 2012 - 02:13 .

[naughty99]

Perhaps the OP's heart is in the right place. After all prevention of piracy is certainly a noble aspiration.

However, I'm beginning to wonder if there would be much difference between gaming at 1280x720 on an Xbox or PS3 vs. gaming at 1366x768 on a low budget laptop with HDMI cable and controller. I imagine the cost would be about the same.

[finc.loki]

galligaro wrote...

Like I posted couple of months back Bioware/EA should have canceled the pc version.
The sales of the previous Mass effect titles were a joke on pc.
Torrents are exploding everywhere for the pc version of the game.
So was it really worth it? Everybody and I do mean everysingle person who I know that owns a gaming pc is gonna torrent this game. Some of those people didn't before with the first or second they bought them on ps3 or 360 but  now everybody has enough power in their pc's that these ports run on them. So goodbye to even your console sales. Too bad some developers are still wasting money on pc development not to mention support.

It is just time to face the facts. New big (49$) singleplayer focused games don't sell on pc but those get torrented so heavily that even the console sales suffer.

Before somebody says how skyrim sold nicely on pc. It still sold less on pc than either of the console versions and the devs spend more time on the pc version and modsupport and testing etc.. than they would have ever spend on the console versions and they lost a TON OF SALES TO PC PIRATES. hell the game is still beign torrented in the thousands and the sales are dying fast...

You really need to stop trolling.

I play on PC and I pay for ALL my games, PERIOD!!!

Skyrim was the biggest seller of all time on STEAM, that says a lot, also PC games have always had less numbers in sales, long before xbox came out.
It has always been a smaller market. Piracy is not lost sales, 95% of them would never buy the game to begin with.

Skyrim probably outsold PS3, that is how much it sold.
Starcraft 2 sold over 5-7 million copies, expect Diablo 3 to do the same.

Go back to your consoles and don't worry about Bioware's business.

[naughty99]

the satirist wrote...

The fact that I could play the game right now if downloaded it via torrent, but have to wait a couple of days until amazon delivers my preorder, makes me wonder whether it was such a smart decision to buy the CE. Plus, because I bought it legally, I have to install that origin crap, get bombarded with spammails from ea, and in case I want to enjoy the full game, I get ripped off when future dlcs are released.

first world problems? ;-)

You might want to use a throwaway email address for this type of stuff.

Incidentally, I've found Origin not to be so bad. It's not a resource hog, the download speed is about the same as Steam if not better, and when you exit Origin it shuts down all the processes.

[exskeeny]

naughty99 wrote...

Perhaps the OP's heart is in the right place. After all prevention of piracy is certainly a noble aspiration.

I wonder if his aspiration would go as far as shopping everybody he knows to the appropriate authorities:police:

[TehJumpingJawa]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

TehJumpingJawa wrote...

In the case of ME3 there are reasons for piracy beyond financial motives:

- Play before official release. Staggered release = epic fail.
- Mod the game without risk of being banned. Stupid controls & FoV = epic fail.
- Play without having to install Origin. Origin = epic fail.
- You get to play the full game. Day 1 DLC = epic fail.

You can just as easily be able to play the full game without cracks or torrents, and since when does Bioware ban people for using FoV mods?!

As for Origin. As someone who lives in a country where retailers are ALL **** I find digitial distribuiton as a blessing. Don't try and justify piracy on these arguments.

If you can mod the FoV, you can also mod everything else in the coalesced.bin and cheat the hell out of multiplayer.
Maybe they will ban people for using modded settings, maybe they won't.
However as BW forum mods have been very active in closing all threads discussing the topic I certainly wouldn't risk it without a concrete statement from EA or BW on the matter.

As for Origin; I'm not against digital distribution at all - I find Steam perfectly acceptable & have bought well over 100 games on the platform.

My issues are with Origin itself.
- The Origin EULA infringes on my privacy rights.
- Origin client is simply inferior to Steam
- I do not want my digitally distributed media or friends list split between multiple clients.

As to DLC; I've always been against it. I refuse to pay more to get a 'fuller' experience.
Pre-order exclusives, Collectors edition exclusives, retailer exclusives, day 1 dlc, etc etc.
It's all a blatant means of tapping the customer base for more cash.
I'm not stupid - I will not be exploited.

Modifié par TehJumpingJawa, 06 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[Chromie]

naughty99 wrote...

the satirist wrote...

The fact that I could play the game right now if downloaded it via torrent, but have to wait a couple of days until amazon delivers my preorder, makes me wonder whether it was such a smart decision to buy the CE. Plus, because I bought it legally, I have to install that origin crap, get bombarded with spammails from ea, and in case I want to enjoy the full game, I get ripped off when future dlcs are released.

first world problems? ;-)

You might want to use a throwaway email address for this type of stuff.

Incidentally, I've found Origin not to be so bad. It's not a resource hog, the download speed is about the same as Steam if not better, and when you exit Origin it shuts down all the processes.

I find it hard to believe you Originblowz