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[kbct]

LinksOcarina wrote...

kbct wrote...

Forbes doesn't need the hits from gamers, you know that right?

The gaming sites have a conflict of interest. First, they receive ad revenue from companies like EA. Second, they have to suck up to the game companies for interviews and such. Isn't it strange the gaming industry sides with EA with their perfect reviews and dismissal of the fans that want a better ending?

Forbes is looking at the situation from a business perspective. In business, you don't view the customers as entitled whiners. In business, you look at how to maximize long-term profit.

first off, the conflict of interest is only with IGN because they actually had someone in-game from their company.

Second, ad revenue  for most websites is not just from the companies, but small-time developers and publishers as well, indie games, and other things. The reason most review sites like to have a good rapport with the publishers is early copies, so they can meet deadlines on time and be relevant and topical, which is key.  It has little to do with sucking up t the companies or anything like that either, its honestly a major misconception about the journalist side I have seen.

But after talking with a lot of people who have finished the ending...its not strange at all. People agree and disagree on things. I think some of the reviews were a bit much, and I wouldn't personally give the game a 10 score...in fact I didn't. But the point is not all the fans dismiss the ending.

As for Forbes, whats your point? They may be looking at it from a business perspective, but the problem is they are being biased in their perspective; they attacked the ****ty part of the journalistic industry, but have not given new ideas on what to do with Mass Effect 3 for weeks now. Basically, they are retreading to keep things topical and to get hits. 

So thats not underhanded at all?

EA is one of the world's largest gaming companies. They spend a lot of money on advertising. There are a lot of gaming sites that want that ad revenue. Why say anything negative that would jeopardize that revenue stream?

There are also a lot gaming sites that want interviews with EA. Why say anything negative that would lower the chances of getting an interview in the future?

Most fans don't like the ending. All evidence everywhere shows most people don't like the ending. For example, on BSN, there are 49 people that didn't like ending for every 1 person that liked it as-is.

Compare the Amazon reviews to the Gamestop reviews. The average Amazon reviews is 2 out of 5 stars. The average Gamestop review is 9 out 10 stars. Why such a large disparity? It's because Gamestop removes the negative reviews (except for ones that make the reviewer sound like a moron). Gamestop needs the revenue whereas Amazon doesn't care so much about one game and prefers to let customers review the game as they see fit.

When choosing a site to get your information, whether it is news or reviews, it's best to choose one that doesn't have a conflict of interest.

[LinksOcarina]

Forbes conflict of interest is just to get hits. Like I said, they havent said anything new about whole thing for two weeks, and they have an article out almost every other day about it.

As for Gamestop...you are wrong. The reason for this is because Gamestop is not dependent on the ad-revenue as much as you think, since roughly 70% of their revenue is through used sales. In terms of all of the fans liking it or not, consider the following.

There are roughly 5,000-10,000 people on the BSN that follow the games for the most part (estimation, not sure of exact numbers) so the skew of the games disapproval is a bit off here. As for Amazon, Metacritic, Ebay, Gamestop, what have you, I can't answer for the number of user reviews, but I will say that its hard to rationalize most fans not liking it, when the game is over 1.4 million in sales and we get over 10,000 people complaining.

That is less than 1% I believe. Of course, I could be totally wrong in the end.

Look my point is that game companies do spend a lot of money on ads, and yeah some pubs out there are not on the up and up, well, only one pub is, and its IGN. But don't presume that all gaming journalists are in the same boat, that is a dangerous, and downright foolish, assumption to make.

[kbct]

Gamestop needs the sales revenue, not so much the ad revenue. I apologize if I was vague about that.

All websites want hits. I don't see how that is a conflict of interest. Forbes has had a lot interesting things to say over the last two weeks. Most of the threads here discussing the Forbes articles had quite a few posts.

Over 67,000 people voted in the BSN poll. Only 2% like the ending as-is. Of course, the poll is self-selecting and biased, but it still has predictive power - especially when it corroborates the other evidence. You don't need to ask every man, woman, and child what they thought about the ending to determine the percentage of people that didn't like the ending. All polls across the internet show a large majority didn't like the ending. The reviews show most people didn't like the ending. True, the review scores vary because different people place different weights on the ending. There are now over 1,400 user reviews on Amazon and the average score is 2 out of 5 stars. Why so low? The ending was bad.

In contrast, ME1 and ME2 both got 4.5 out of 5 stars.

[Killjoy Cutter]

67,000 as cannot be dismissed on sample size, at least -- for many polls, that's a HUGE sample.

[DaJe]

A nice list of spineless mainstream media propaganda we have here.

[LinksOcarina]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

67,000 as cannot be dismissed on sample size, at least -- for many polls, that's a HUGE sample.

From a fairly biased source.

Let's be honest, this is kind of a ground zero of sorts because of the proximity to BioWare and to the fans. If this was posted elsewhere, I think the results wouldn't be as skewed. Maybe still in the favor of changing the endings, but not as lopsided as it appears to be.

[Killjoy Cutter]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

67,000 as cannot be dismissed on sample size, at least -- for many polls, that's a HUGE sample.
 

From a fairly biased source.

Let's be honest, this is kind of a ground zero of sorts because of the proximity to BioWare and to the fans. If this was posted elsewhere, I think the results wouldn't be as skewed. Maybe still in the favor of changing the endings, but not as lopsided as it appears to be.

Make all the excuses and yeahbuts you want, there's no way around 98% of 67,000 responses.

[LinksOcarina]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

67,000 as cannot be dismissed on sample size, at least -- for many polls, that's a HUGE sample.
 

From a fairly biased source.

Let's be honest, this is kind of a ground zero of sorts because of the proximity to BioWare and to the fans. If this was posted elsewhere, I think the results wouldn't be as skewed. Maybe still in the favor of changing the endings, but not as lopsided as it appears to be.

Make all the excuses and yeahbuts you want, there's no way around 98% of 67,000 responses.

It's not an excuse, its a ****ing fact.

Post this somewhere else, I bet its more of a 70-30 or 60-40 split over 98-2.

[kbct]

LinksOcarina wrote...
It's not an excuse, its a ****ing fact.

Post this somewhere else, I bet its more of a 70-30 or 60-40 split over 98-2.

http://news.cnet.com...fect-3s-ending/

Here's a random CNET poll with 19K votes and 4% liked it as-is.

[Keladis]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

67,000 as cannot be dismissed on sample size, at least -- for many polls, that's a HUGE sample.
 

From a fairly biased source.

Let's be honest, this is kind of a ground zero of sorts because of the proximity to BioWare and to the fans. If this was posted elsewhere, I think the results wouldn't be as skewed. Maybe still in the favor of changing the endings, but not as lopsided as it appears to be.

Make all the excuses and yeahbuts you want, there's no way around 98% of 67,000 responses.

It's not an excuse, its a ****ing fact.

Post this somewhere else, I bet its more of a 70-30 or 60-40 split over 98-2.

ING has a facebook poll here www.facebook.com/questions/10150639359051633/ and to me it looks like and 80 -20 split with 14000 people hating it to a 2,600 that haven't finished it yet, and finally a 1,300 of those who loved or enjoyed the ending.

seems like a good majority dont like the ending there too

[LinksOcarina]

There you go. I trust that more.

[kbct]

LinksOcarina wrote...

There you go. I trust that more.

Seriously? Only 8% of those from the IGN poll on Facebook liked the ending (when you only look at those who finished the game).

1,300 / (14,000 + 1,300) = .085

That's still a massive majority that didn't like the ending.

Modifié par kbct, 27 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[LinksOcarina]

I meant the CNET one over the facebook one.

[seekers of truth]

i wish the endings made sense or that my choices mattered.

What happened BioWare?

[WangGozinya]

 http://owreviews.com...q=Mass effect 3

This has one word reviews for all platforms.  Not sure how ps3 got "great", but I put my word in...

[Killjoy Cutter]

So the poll here, the poll on CNET, and the poll on Facebook all indicate that well over 90% of those responding did not like the ending of ME3.

Any more excuses, Links?

[translationninja]

Amazing how adamant and desperately some still try to conjure up the idea of the silent army of ending-likers out there that are merely not heard...

[Super.Sid]

Please read this article
http://www.edge-onli...bowling-resigns

[LinksOcarina]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

So the poll here, the poll on CNET, and the poll on Facebook all indicate that well over 90% of those responding did not like the ending of ME3.

Any more excuses, Links?

You proved you're point already.

Stop being a dick about it.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 28 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[johnj1979]

I don't see how these reviewers can give it such a high score because it is way off the standard set Mass Effect 1 & 2.

To me there are only two points of closure in the game.

Mass Effect 3 would probably have been better being a standalone game and not part of a trilogy of games.

[MerchantGOL]

johnj1979 wrote...

I don't see how these reviewers can give it such a high score because it is way off the standard set Mass Effect 1 & 2.

It is a better game then those 2

it is an amazing game, no matter how butt hurt you are about the endings

[dirtdiver32318]

Just wanted to say Bioware you have made 1. The best three games I have ever played. 2. Mass effect universe that has had me addicted from day one. And for that I love you and thank you.

[Acidrain92]

I find it funny that supposed fans of ME are actually rating down a thread that states ME3 is getting amazing reviews xD

its like they think that the game will actually get changed if it were given crappy reviews. yeah right. only triple A titles are provided with fan shaped DLC.

Modifié par Acidrain92, 29 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Andromidius]

Acidrain92 wrote...

I find it funny that supposed fans of ME are actually rating down a thread that states ME3 is getting amazing reviews xD

Because those reviews are counter to the vast majority of fan responces, and thus 'don't gel'?

Cut the passive-aggressive sentiments.  Its clear something is wrong when people who are paid to review games, and get money from the companies via advertising, don't share options on the product with the people who actually bought it.  It screams 'paid for', and you know it.

Personally, if I was a reviewer, I'd refuse to give a score to an obviously unfinished game.  The game feels like its in Beta still!

[venom56321489]

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