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[sixthnewkid]

Kastigar wrote...

Not to derail the thread too much, but Bethesda gets a pass a lot of the time with it's bugs. I've heard just about everyone I know say "it's a Bethesda game, it's just the way it is", hell I've said it too. I love Bethesda games, and in some ways it isn't fair to judge them on a level lower than what we expect from other developers.

But on the flip side, no game in my 21 years of playing them has made me care more about the person I've played/created than this one. Add to this, that I expect greatness from Bioware (they had a pretty flawless record for a long time) and it bugs me even more this is even an issue. So this one....incredibly glaring issue (imo) is more detrimental to the experience than every glitch in every Bethesda game combined for me.

The more I try to justify fudging it with the CC in 3, the more I resent the idea. It's like replacing Mark Hammil as Luke...but still having Mark's voice come out of whoever they got. It's jarring and it breaks my connection to the story and to the character.

Well put.  It still cant believe I have waited this long to play part 3 only to have it collect dust on my shelf. 

[FeministShep]

sixthnewkid wrote...

Well put.  It still cant believe I have waited this long to play part 3 only to have it collect dust on my shelf. 

I know. I remember the Saturday before this came out I was dreading the 48 hours I would have to wait until the game was released. And now that I finally have it (after a year of waiting) I don't want to play it. And it is driving me mad because itsactually installed on my damn computer. ME2 was such a great game, I feel bad trashing ME3. It's like being angry at your senile relative.

BTW, anyone notice they deleted the update and responses? 

Maybe its cause this thread has 3326 replies. Just look at that to the comparison of the other threads. How could this be a low priority.

Modifié par FeministShep, 13 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[DARKWUN]

FeministShep wrote...

Kastigar wrote...


The more I try to justify fudging it with the CC in 3, the more I resent the idea. It's like replacing Mark Hammil as Luke...but still having Mark's voice come out of whoever they got. It's jarring and it breaks my connection to the story and to the character.

Like when they replaced Katie Holmes with Maggie Gyllenhall (i know Holmes can't act but Rachel Dawes isn't exactly a complex or interesting character). It just didn't feel right even though Gyllenhall was a better actress. I think Katie Holmes' uneven acting would have been more tolerable than a new face (and not a very attractive one). Same goes for the Matrix trilogy with the Oracle, although to be fair I think she died. I remember in the movie they tried some lame excuse but it just made the problem more obvious. It feels the same way when I played ME3. The more I try to live with the foreign face and try to pretend it doesn't matter the more I'm taken out of the game. 

Games are like magic. It's an illusion. We identify with our Shepards because we feel we created them but in reality everyone's Shepard is basically the same (moral differences asside). It's the same voice actress or actor with a limited amount of lines and prerendered cut scenes. What makes us forget this is the fact they are our creation. We forget this is just a dialogue branching fictional game and it seems real for a second. But when the faces don't match it takes us out of the illusion. We realize everytime we see that wrong nose that our Shepard really isn't that unique. In fact we didn't even really create him or her because everything was already predesigned. The face importing issue just isn't aesthetics. It's a part of the suspension of disbelief that is required in order to feel like the game is real.

Maggie... *shudder* I like my new Shep... but I don't have the emotional connection. I should be touched when he meets ex lovers again, but that look of recognition that they try to purvey... it doesn't work. People say that this iis small... to some it may be, but for me it does the writers no justice. Clearly, the writers want to try and put some emotion into a scene, and when it's scenes that are purposefully using our personal connection to build the scene, of course we're going to get upset.  Just because we place a higher emotional value on the story and our Shep doesn't make it a non important issue.

Not only that, but... to be perfectly honest... what the hell have they done with the facial animations in general... it's all so... robotic :s I thought it was just the demo, but the first two had so much more expression ad realism,... it's amazing how much value a face can have when telling a story...

[Shotgun Diplomacy]

FeministShep wrote...

Games are like magic. It's an illusion. We identify with our Shepards because we feel we created them but in reality everyone's Shepard is basically the same (moral differences asside). It's the same voice actress or actor with a limited amount of lines and prerendered cut scenes. What makes us forget this is the fact they are our creation. We forget this is just a dialogue branching fictional game and it seems real for a second. But when the faces don't match it takes us out of the illusion. We realize everytime we see that wrong nose that our Shepard really isn't that unique. In fact we didn't even really create him or her because everything was already predesigned. The face importing issue just isn't aesthetics. It's a part of the suspension of disbelief that is required in order to feel like the game is real.

Amen to that! The character we created in the ME1 CC (or ME2 CC for that matter) is our version of Shepard! Not the version of Bioware, EA or your next door neighbourhood, NO! It's yours! And that is how a lot of long time fans are feeling!

Is it such a flaw that it is game(play) breaking? No, not really. But it is such a flaw that it is a story breaking one! Thinking about it, is pissing me off more and more!

It has already been said many times (and apparently not enough!), but the biggest mistake BioWare made, is flat out lying and keeping is in the dark about any sort of fix.

Modifié par Shotgun Diplomacy, 13 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[Lincoln_Muadib]

Chris Priestly wrote...

DarkGin87 wrote...

Sounds like an automatic message.

Would it have been better to not reply? Because it is much easier to remain silent.

Chris Priestly, are you using the TrollFace?

If you become the new Paul Christoforo it will not be good. Sure, you're frustrated we don't know what you're going through. But then, you give the appearance of not caing what we're going through either. A TrollFace will not help.

[JBauer24Tactics]

Can someone please expand on this step:

"Using Gibbed, export headmorph from your new edited ME3 save, and import it into your latest ME3 playthrough save."

[ThinkIntegral]

FeministShep wrote...

BTW, anyone notice they deleted the update and responses? 

Maybe its cause this thread has 3326 replies. Just look at that to the comparison of the other threads. How could this be a low priority.

Actually no.  What update and responses is this? 

Btw, all around good points FeministShep, Sixthnewkid, Darkwun, et al.  I echo those thoughts as well.  There's  no point in me playing if the character that I know and love, and that went relatively unchanged between ME1 and ME2 face wise isn't there.  

It takes me out of the story so much that I just can't give a damn.

JTBauer that step means, once you made your changes just export the save so you can use it to play in ME3; I think.

Modifié par ThinkIntegral, 13 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Mine came out mangled as well.

I ended up using the default. I actually connected with it and was happy with the appearance.

I know for a lot of people that isn't good enough, but...eh.

[Kcet]

FeministShep wrote...

Games are like magic. It's an illusion. We identify with our Shepards because we feel we created them but in reality everyone's Shepard is basically the same (moral differences asside). It's the same voice actress or actor with a limited amount of lines and prerendered cut scenes. What makes us forget this is the fact they are our creation. We forget this is just a dialogue branching fictional game and it seems real for a second. But when the faces don't match it takes us out of the illusion. We realize everytime we see that wrong nose that our Shepard really isn't that unique. In fact we didn't even really create him or her because everything was already predesigned. The face importing issue just isn't aesthetics. It's a part of the suspension of disbelief that is required in order to feel like the game is real.

This.  I tried explaining this whole situation to my friend (who isnt a fan of ME) and he more or less said what does it matter? It's a game, play it for the story, who cares about how Shep looks. I think your paragraph explains what I was trying to tell him better than I did:P

[sic transit gloria mundi]

i couldn't play with default-shep. he just looks like a typical jarhead from one of these hollywood-blockbusters. :f

[The Mastamind]

I'm starting to think this won't be fixed anytime soon, if at all.

[CantBurn]

I have a side question. It will do me no good to add another Bioware screwed up bad comment. They clearly gave no thought to how much we were "invested" in this game. But, the side question.

I used the Modio workaround method. It worked good enough. But, what is the difference with this "gibbed" method? Thanks

[mybudgee]

Bioware sh*t in our collective cereal...
/thread
oh wait, we are still waiting for a patch... or reply....or a message delivered by carrier pigeon..or...I may be wasting my time with this...

Modifié par mybudgee, 13 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[ThinkIntegral]

CantBurn wrote...

I have a side question. It will do me no good to add another Bioware screwed up bad comment. They clearly gave no thought to how much we were "invested" in this game. But, the side question.

I used the Modio workaround method. It worked good enough. But, what is the difference with this "gibbed" method? Thanks

The Gibbed method allows you to bring back some elements from your ME2 save that aren't available in ME3, e.g. specific eye color, hair color, scars, etc.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Playing the game...and it's kind of funny knowing that there's going to be a horrendous ending. For me, it's kind of a being a metaphor for the Reaper invasion. My Shepard and Ashley are being friendly again and falling in love, and even though things are probably going to end badly, what matters is being happy now, because otherwise, what's the point of even playing? What's the point of even fighting the reapers and seeing all the awesome cameos and curing Thane(which is going to friggin happen by the way, even if that means hacking lol) if all that ultimately matters is the end?

Look, guys. The series finale of LOST sucked. Veronica Mars got cancelled. Even the last season of 24 was badly written. In the end, I've never really had much luck when it comes to the ending of my favorite stories. But you know what? I don't even give a **** anymore. And I encourage you to do the same. And who knows- maybe, just maybe, the ending isn't quite as bad as everyone's saying it is. And if it is, hopefully I'll still get to see Ashley's ass, just one last time.

Bioware may've given us a bit of an anal with the import issues/endings/other flaws of the game, but let's not let that ruin it for us. Let's be better than that. It's still Mass Effect. It's still the ending.

We'll play the game, with or without our real Shepard. Kick ass on it, meet everyone from the first two games that we haven't killed, and together, we'll face the Reapers, like the family we've always been.

And we won't lose. We'll kill them. Guys....ladies..... we. WILL. WIN.

Modifié par favoritehookeronthecitadel, 13 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[CantBurn]

ThinkIntegral wrote...

CantBurn wrote...

I have a side question. It will do me no good to add another Bioware screwed up bad comment. They clearly gave no thought to how much we were "invested" in this game. But, the side question.

I used the Modio workaround method. It worked good enough. But, what is the difference with this "gibbed" method? Thanks

The Gibbed method allows you to bring back some elements from your ME2 save that aren't available in ME3, e.g. specific eye color, hair color, scars, etc.

So, gibbed kind of takes you a step more detailed than the original workaround? Thanks

[Kankatsu]

This whole thing reminds me of a certain TV series...

[TheSnappyDude]

  glad to hear you are working on at least this my ugly new sheppard thanks you

[merylisk]

Is there a way to use gibbed or another save editor to make your Shepard's hair red?

The color is obviously in the game... a lot of NPCs who were clearly built on the same CC have natural looking red hair, but it's not an option for the player. But there must be a value code for in the game somehow. Therefore, there must be a way to edit it onto your character, right?

I would also be happy if they introduced a Black Emporium DLC mirror thing where you can alter your Shepard in-game. Maybe like, the mirror in the bathroom in Shepard's cabin? I got my Shepard to look pretty damn close with the CC, but I made her chin sliiiiiightly too wide and didn't realize until I was too far in to want to start over. It bothered me the entire game.

[FeministShep]

does gibbed fix the nose problem?

[DARKWUN]

Kankatsu wrote...

This whole thing reminds me of a certain TV series...

yeah... me too... http://www.tvsa.co.z...ak-2005-468.jpg

[FeministShep]

I think someone posted an update and there were a flood of responses. Someone commented that people were all of a sudden nice cause of the update. I don't know. It's gone now

ThinkIntegral wrote...

FeministShep wrote...

BTW, anyone notice they deleted the update and responses? 

Maybe its cause this thread has 3326 replies. Just look at that to the comparison of the other threads. How could this be a low priority.

Actually no.  What update and responses is this? 

Btw, all around good points FeministShep, Sixthnewkid, Darkwun, et al.  I echo those thoughts as well.  There's  no point in me playing if the character that I know and love, and that went relatively unchanged between ME1 and ME2 face wise isn't there.  

It takes me out of the story so much that I just can't give a damn.

JTBauer that step means, once you made your changes just export the save so you can use it to play in ME3; I think.

[Silicon Drifter 82]

DARKWUN wrote...

McBainBurger wrote...

 Ok trying again.. ME2 face vs ME3 face:

ME2:



ME3:

wow... she went from... really hot to... well... 2am and I've had a few and I wanna make ME2 Shep jealous so i bang her uglier sister. Bioware, ur showing me up for the shallow atrocity that I really am. Shame on you. And me. But mostly you.

Someone kicked your shepard in the face.....

[cApAc aMaRu]

Killga wrote...


Obviously you know little about EA. Since this is an official Bioware forum I will restrain myself from ranting. Just take a look at EA's stock market performance over the last 10 years and judge yourself about the sustainability of their business model. Pretty amazing considering they bought some of the very best game developers (including Bioware) and own some of the potentially most lucrative game franchises... 

Looking for Art, is Art anywhere? Oh, I'm sorry Profit, I was looking for Art, did you see where he went?

[IhateEA-Mask]

So does the fix in first page actually work? The link seems to imply that face imports as different anyway .-.

I'm kind of annoyed at not being able to import my fem!Shep face from ME 2 on my second playthrough of ME 3