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[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

Loegi wrote...

Workers Unite wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Couldn't agree more with this - a lot of people need to calm down and just wait.  We've complained and they've said they're fixing this... in a thread they've stickied; what point is there in them repeating that? 

Sorry, but stickying a thread isn't enough to turn my $80 box of disappointment and anticipation into a game I can play. A lot of people who are saying this isn't a big deal are clearly, like the guy you quoted, not fans of the series since ME1.

They need to be giving us details about how this patch is going, and not just an explanation of how all patches work. They need to know how insulted their core fans feel, not only about their lack of updates, but also about how they let a problem this huge slip though the cracks.

Funny thing is, they knew this before release.
I guess they just decided they would get more money from the new players when they released it in it's broken state.

Its a sad fact that publishers push Developers into release dates, that seem good on paper, yet in reality, they have to rush things.... I've seen it with loads of games in the last couple of years...

[-Rastrack-]

got a mail from customersupport(german, i'll translate as good as i can) after i aksed for informations about a refund because i didnt get the game advertised:

"Hallo Rastrack,
danke das du den EA Kundendienst kontaktiert hast.
Leider hast du deinen Code schon registriert und dich somit an das Spiel gebunden.
Aus diesem Grund koennen wir deine Reklamation leider nicht mehr annehmen.
Solltest du noch Fragen oder andere Probleme haben lass es uns wissen."

"Hello Rastrack,
thanks for contacting EA Customersupport.
Unfortunately you have allready registered the code and you are bound to this game.
Therefore we can no longer accept your request for reclamation.
If you have any other questions or problems, let us know."

i am now thinking about legal steps against EA...

[fruton]

I forgot to add that parts of the problem have never actually been acknowledged by Bioware, such as the fact that some parts of the facial data are missing entirely from the game meaning codes from ME2 dont result in the same outcome in ME3.

[Clarian]

fruton wrote...
I forgot to add that parts of the problem have never actually been acknowledged by Bioware, such as the fact that some parts of the facial data are missing entirely from the game meaning codes from ME2 dont result in the same outcome in ME3.

Exactly.

[Workers Unite]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

Workers Unite wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Couldn't agree more with this - a lot of people need to calm down and just wait.  We've complained and they've said they're fixing this... in a thread they've stickied; what point is there in them repeating that? 

Sorry, but stickying a thread isn't enough to turn my $80 box of disappointment and anticipation into a game I can play. A lot of people who are saying this isn't a big deal are clearly, like the guy you quoted, not fans of the series since ME1.

They need to be giving us details about how this patch is going, and not just an explanation of how all patches work. They need to know how insulted their core fans feel, not only about their lack of updates, but also about how they let a problem this huge slip though the cracks.

I've been a fan of BW since Baulders gate....I got Mass Effect 1 on release, and I still have the original copy. I got ME2 on release, and still have the original copy.... I got ME3 on release, and plan on keeping my copy for a long time too....so yes, I am a fan of Mass Effect....

For me, issues with games are an annoyance at best.....

On the grand scheme of things, issues with games are obviously just annoyances. However, this is an "annoyance" that, if not fixed, will prevent me from buying anymore of Biowares products. I considered my first two copies of the ME series as art, and I think it's normal to care about art. If Bioware doesn't prove to me that they realize how serious this problem is, I probably won't buy any more of their products.

I'm someone who has all three CE's. I didn't buy them because I like throwing my money at a wall. I got them because I wanted to completely invest myself in the series, and they were offered to me, in part, to allow me to know the series more intimately. Now they have taken from me a key part of the experience. I refuse to sit quietly after spending that much money trying to get the full experience.

Modifié par Workers Unite, 16 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[fruton]

-Rastrack- wrote...

got a mail from customersupport(german, i'll translate as good as i can) after i aksed for informations about a refund because i didnt get the game advertised:

"Hallo Rastrack,
danke das du den EA Kundendienst kontaktiert hast.
Leider hast du deinen Code schon registriert und dich somit an das Spiel gebunden.
Aus diesem Grund koennen wir deine Reklamation leider nicht mehr annehmen.
Solltest du noch Fragen oder andere Probleme haben lass es uns wissen."

"Hello Rastrack,
thanks for contacting EA Customersupport.
Unfortunately you have allready registered the code and you are bound to this game.
Therefore we can no longer accept your request for reclamation.
If you have any other questions or problems, let us know."

i am now thinking about legal steps against EA...

Typical customer service copy/paste response.

Phone them and ask a supervisor for a refund. In the UK, the responsability actually lies with the retailer. I'm not sure about Germany, but here it'd be Amazons/GAME/ToysR'Us who'd be refunding our money.

Modifié par fruton, 16 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[mauinho]

I've clocked 120hrs of Mass Effect 1 plus all DLC, 105hrs Mass Effect 2 plus all DLC, now got Mass Effect 3 here and im not happy I cant use my Shepard and I've bought the DLC also ;/. Now I can live with the glitches the game has the random fall out of map the not unlocking of missions unless you reload (oh yes I've got the prima guide I know when things should happen) the visual glitches in conversations (shepard head twitching etc.) but were is MY Shepard.?
I love Mass Effect!!!
Mass Effect 2 is in my opinion the best game I've ever played and the 20+ hours I've spend with 3 make me think its on the same league but I cant get in to it because "mauinho Shepard" has a diferent face its not the same guy, it feels fake its not the guy I've been playing with for the last 200+ hours over 5 years.
Bioware hurry up patch the game or at least let me know when can I actually start the game that will finish my epic story that I've spent £200 or more on.
Bioware you said on Mass Effect 1 that my shepard would be transfered through out the triology keep your promise the same way I've kept my suport.

Best Regards

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

Workers Unite wrote...

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

Workers Unite wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Couldn't agree more with this - a lot of people need to calm down and just wait.  We've complained and they've said they're fixing this... in a thread they've stickied; what point is there in them repeating that? 

Sorry, but stickying a thread isn't enough to turn my $80 box of disappointment and anticipation into a game I can play. A lot of people who are saying this isn't a big deal are clearly, like the guy you quoted, not fans of the series since ME1.

They need to be giving us details about how this patch is going, and not just an explanation of how all patches work. They need to know how insulted their core fans feel, not only about their lack of updates, but also about how they let a problem this huge slip though the cracks.

I've been a fan of BW since Baulders gate....I got Mass Effect 1 on release, and I still have the original copy. I got ME2 on release, and still have the original copy.... I got ME3 on release, and plan on keeping my copy for a long time too....so yes, I am a fan of Mass Effect....

For me, issues with games are an annoyance at best.....

On the grand scheme of things, issues with games are obviously just annoyances. However, this is an "annoyance" that, if not fixed, will prevent me from buying anymore of Biowares products. I considered my first two copies of the ME series as art, and I think it's normal to care about art. If Bioware doesn't prove to me that they realize how serious this problem is, I probably won't buy any more of their products.

I'm someone who has all three CE's. I didn't buy them because I like throwing my money at a wall. I got them because I wanted to completely invest myself in the series, and they were offered to me, in part, to allow me to know the series more intimately. Now they have taken from me a key part of the experience. I refuse to sit quietly after spending that much money trying to get the full experience.

I see your point, and I can see that your annoyed.....

But, I have all faith that BW haven't said " Screw you loyal fans!" and will fix it as and when they can...

[fruton]

Workers Unite wrote...

On the grand scheme of things, issues with games are obviously just annoyances. However, this is an "annoyance" that, if not fixed, will prevent me from buying anymore of Biowares products. I considered my first two copies of the ME series as art, and I think it's normal to care about art. If Bioware doesn't prove to me that they realize how serious this problem is, I probably won't buy any more of their products.

I'm someone who has all three CE's. I didn't buy them because I like throwing my money at a wall. I got them because I wanted to completely invest myself in the series, and they were offered to me, in part, to allow me to know the series more intimately. Now they have taken from me a key part of the experience. I refuse to sit quietly after spending that much money trying to get the full experience.

I can't say that this will cause me to never buy a Bioware or EA product again (have you seen how many games EA publish?!), but I certainly will be far more picky, and never, ever, will I buy on release day again.

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

fruton wrote...

Workers Unite wrote...

On the grand scheme of things, issues with games are obviously just annoyances. However, this is an "annoyance" that, if not fixed, will prevent me from buying anymore of Biowares products. I considered my first two copies of the ME series as art, and I think it's normal to care about art. If Bioware doesn't prove to me that they realize how serious this problem is, I probably won't buy any more of their products.

I'm someone who has all three CE's. I didn't buy them because I like throwing my money at a wall. I got them because I wanted to completely invest myself in the series, and they were offered to me, in part, to allow me to know the series more intimately. Now they have taken from me a key part of the experience. I refuse to sit quietly after spending that much money trying to get the full experience.

I can't say that this will cause me to never buy a Bioware or EA product again (have you seen how many games EA publish?!), but I certainly will be far more picky, and never, ever, will I buy on release day again.

I don't tend to buy on release, but with all the ME games, I couldn't wait!! 

[-Rastrack-]

fruton wrote...

Typical customer service copy/paste response.

Phone them and ask for a refund. In the UK, the responsability actually lies with the retailer. I'm not sure about Germany, but here it'd be Amazons/GAME/ToysR'Us who'd be refunding our money.

there was no retailer, i preordered it directly from origin, therefore it is ea's responsibility. and im from austria, but i dont think our laws/rights are very different to germany, thanks to EU.
but maybe i call them, as long as they dont charge 1€/min...

[fruton]

-Rastrack- wrote...

there was no retailer, i preordered it directly from origin, therefore it is ea's responsibility. and im from austria, but i dont think our laws/rights are very different to germany, thanks to EU.
but maybe i call them, as long as they dont charge 1€/min...

Sounds like a plan mate.


It's amazing this behemoth of a thread is averaging 18 pages a day atm...

[Workers Unite]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

Workers Unite wrote...

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

Workers Unite wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Couldn't agree more with this - a lot of people need to calm down and just wait.  We've complained and they've said they're fixing this... in a thread they've stickied; what point is there in them repeating that? 

Sorry, but stickying a thread isn't enough to turn my $80 box of disappointment and anticipation into a game I can play. A lot of people who are saying this isn't a big deal are clearly, like the guy you quoted, not fans of the series since ME1.

They need to be giving us details about how this patch is going, and not just an explanation of how all patches work. They need to know how insulted their core fans feel, not only about their lack of updates, but also about how they let a problem this huge slip though the cracks.

I've been a fan of BW since Baulders gate....I got Mass Effect 1 on release, and I still have the original copy. I got ME2 on release, and still have the original copy.... I got ME3 on release, and plan on keeping my copy for a long time too....so yes, I am a fan of Mass Effect....

For me, issues with games are an annoyance at best.....

On the grand scheme of things, issues with games are obviously just annoyances. However, this is an "annoyance" that, if not fixed, will prevent me from buying anymore of Biowares products. I considered my first two copies of the ME series as art, and I think it's normal to care about art. If Bioware doesn't prove to me that they realize how serious this problem is, I probably won't buy any more of their products.

I'm someone who has all three CE's. I didn't buy them because I like throwing my money at a wall. I got them because I wanted to completely invest myself in the series, and they were offered to me, in part, to allow me to know the series more intimately. Now they have taken from me a key part of the experience. I refuse to sit quietly after spending that much money trying to get the full experience.

I see your point, and I can see that your annoyed.....

But, I have all faith that BW haven't said " Screw you loyal fans!" and will fix it as and when they can...

In all fairness, I actually hope your right. I want BW to remain the pinnacle of gaming they have been to me for a long time.

The thing is BW is going to need to prove it. If they can't fix this bug then they are going to need to compensate us in some way. Whether that is free DLC, or even just a long and in-depth apology and explanation for how such a massive and embarrasing failure could have happened. They need to either make a mends or try to prove to us that they won't slap us in the face again.

[Yobel]

People... I am gonna say something horrible, please don't kill me but it's gonna sound prophetic

I imported a face code from net site, that was very similar to mine. My Shep is very, very simple. Almost bold, simple facial hear, chick bones structure not so complex either. And yet, ME3 cannot do it right. But it was close. I tweaked it, and my Shep looked fine on a 'squad' screen.

But then, when I was playing, my Shep was a little different - chick bones were slighly different, he looked a little younger maybe, a little too fat on a face. So - same face code in ME3 - one face in 'squad' screen, little different in the game itself.

My point - even if they FINALLY make this patch, graphics of the newest game cannot make EXCATLY the same Shep you had in ME1 and ME2. Sad but true

[VictoriousMarch]

RARRG want need update... no more Shepard's hideous cousin filling in as Commander...

[Holger1405]

Cootie wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Can you point me to anyone who has problems with messed up choices?     

I'm not going to jump this or that far back, possibly 40+ pages to dig up links, but I have seen reports of people who had romanced Liara, but their ME-3 imports said they didn't. Things like that.

I vaguely remember someone reporting that Wrex was somewhat living-impaired when he's supposed to be healthy, too.

You refer to this Guy?

FirstOfTheFallen wrote...

*sings*  "EA told me You'll be a war star, all you have to change is everything you are."

Oi, Release Day +8, and a grand total of 2 updates.  Allow me to say this.

1 - Chris Priestly's snarky "how would you like it if I didn't say anything, nyaah".  Okay, dude's probably been hearing about this a million times a day, etc. etc., but anyone who's ever worked in the customer service industry -- such as moi  -- can tell you responding to a complainant like that is a good way to get your ass fired, except, of course, in such a self-contained company as a video game developer.  Your standard big box retailers, if an employee mouths off to a customer like that, they better be a A#1 Employee of The Year, because if it's a choice between keeping your smartass-ass around or undercutting bad PR, most corporations will can you in a heartbeat, I've watched it happen.

2 - Although I'm still pissed about the face thing, I do have to retract one of my earlier statements, specifically, that I was hit by the story import glitch.  Turns out, I wasn't, I was just tired.  See, I work nights, so when I get home, after checking email/web/etc, I'm ready to just chill out 'mindlessly' gaming for a while.  As such, when faced with a new game, I either consume mass amounts of caffiene or play them on my days off.

Well, way back when ME2 came out, we didn't know about TLOTSB DLC, so my first FemShep playthrough, she flirted/got lapdanced by Kelly.  Which bites as a romance, because you not only don't get the Achievement, but it counts as cheating.  That was the save I was trying to import, and since I hadn't actually looked at the saves in a while, I was going by memory as to the choices I'd made.  Then I decided to load up ME1 and check things.  Turned out I did romance Liara in my first playthrough...but I then used that playthrough for my second playthrough, and in that one I romanced Kaidan.  Dur moment.  So after going through the files and cataloging my choices, I find this:

FemShep 1 - LI--Kaidan, Virmire--kill Ashley, ME2LI--cheat w/Kelly
FemShep 2 - LI--Kaidan, Virmire--kill Ashley, ME2LI--cheat w/Jacob
FemShep 3 - LI--Kaidan, Virmire--kill Ashley, ME2LI--stay faithful
(I was going to do two others for Thane and Garrus, but that's been delegated to 'next time I take a vacation')

So to get around this, I started up a new game of ME2 using the original(48hr) save from ME1, not the 97hr two-playthrough save, making sure to check the story options.

FemShep 4 - LI--Liara, Virmire--kill Kaidan, ME2LI--stay faithful.

This is my 'canon' ME1 story, the one I always intended to use in 2, but by the time I realized I'd made a mistake(about a week after ME2 came out), I was like "Well, I'll fix it later", and then never did.  Of course, I'm still having to speedrun through to get it into ME3, but that's maybe 25-28 hours max on Casual, even with all the LM's done.

So anyway, at least there's that.  But I still really want them to fix the face import glitch.  I can feel my resolve weakening, the game sitting there...tempting me...No!  I must be strong!

@Silicon Drifter 82 and TRUTHMACHINE
So only ME1 choices are messed up. Well this is bad, but you can correct it with Gibbed. BTW this is a problem with ME2 not ME3, because ME2 stored the wrong choices in your save game. 

Modifié par Holger1405, 16 mars 2012 - 04:06 .

[canestim]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...


I don't tend to buy on release, but with all the ME games, I couldn't wait!! 

I almost never buy games on release since I have kids and I usually have a backlog but Mass Effect is different.  However I was busy and didn't pick it up on release but still was going to pay full price.  Now I am waiting for the patch to fix the face import.  If they don't fix it I am still going to buy it, they just aren't getting full price out of me.  I'll wait till it's on sale for $10. 

But if they fix it asap I'll pick it up now and pay the full price.  The ME series is still amazing and the developer needs to be compensated but to me this is a big blunder. 

[DoctorEss]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

Workers Unite wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Couldn't agree more with this - a lot of people need to calm down and just wait.  We've complained and they've said they're fixing this... in a thread they've stickied; what point is there in them repeating that? 

Sorry, but stickying a thread isn't enough to turn my $80 box of disappointment and anticipation into a game I can play. A lot of people who are saying this isn't a big deal are clearly, like the guy you quoted, not fans of the series since ME1.

They need to be giving us details about how this patch is going, and not just an explanation of how all patches work. They need to know how insulted their core fans feel, not only about their lack of updates, but also about how they let a problem this huge slip though the cracks.

I've been a fan of BW since Baulders gate....I got Mass Effect 1 on release, and I still have the original copy. I got ME2 on release, and still have the original copy.... I got ME3 on release, and plan on keeping my copy for a long time too....so yes, I am a fan of Mass Effect....

For me, issues with games are an annoyance at best.....

Sometimes, people confuse the f**k out of me.... you hate BW now...you hate EA now, you refuse to buy any BW/EA products again....you won't support BW/EA in the future, yet sig boxes are full of "WE WANT OUR SHEPARD BACK" and "WHERES THE PATCH??" and most people who have said their pi55ed off, continue to use the BW forums...spam the EA forums, and demand their faulty product be fixed, yet they hate BW?

If you hate BW so much, get rid of your copies of ME3, delete your account on here, and move on...

or, suck it up as human error, be patient, wait for a patch, and play the game....buy the DLC which will add to the overal experience of what is, and excellent series of games....

You aren't making the least bit of sense.  So if someone buys a faulty product, and decides then to never purchase from that company again, that somehow means they should throw out the faulty product?  Or that their purchase doesn't entitle them to a WORKING product?  

If you buy a Nissan, and it's a lemon, with a bunch of factory defects, and you decide to never buy another Nissan, does that mean you have to throw away the one you bought?  Or that they should do a recall, and repair your problems?

[Holger1405]

FeministShep wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...
 we will not condemn Bioware over one Bug, as we know that mistakes are possible.

You don't get it man. This isn't a "Bug". A bug is an unintentional error in the code. I've developed games. This WOULD NOT have escaped testing, period. There isn't any debate, I'm sorry, not on this point. If you want to defend some corporation (who is now ruled over by a bigger corporation) for simply being lazy, be my guest. Buy their stuff and support their bad habits.

Go to this link to understand what really happened.
http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/

You are right about the Bug clarification, still it is easier to refer to it as such. The problem is not even in ME3, or only partially there, the problem is that the ME2 Save files didn't have a Face code in them when you imported a ME1 character. And I agree, this should  not escaped testing, still, it's only a mistake and it didn't turn Bioware in to the worst Game developer of all times.

Modifié par Holger1405, 16 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[essefar]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

I've been a fan of BW since Baulders gate....I got Mass Effect 1 on release, and I still have the original copy. I got ME2 on release, and still have the original copy.... I got ME3 on release, and plan on keeping my copy for a long time too....so yes, I am a fan of Mass Effect....

For me, issues with games are an annoyance at best.....

Sometimes, people confuse the f**k out of me.... you hate BW now...you hate EA now, you refuse to buy any BW/EA products again....you won't support BW/EA in the future, yet sig boxes are full of "WE WANT OUR SHEPARD BACK" and "WHERES THE PATCH??" and most people who have said their pi55ed off, continue to use the BW forums...spam the EA forums, and demand their faulty product be fixed, yet they hate BW?

If you hate BW so much, get rid of your copies of ME3, delete your account on here, and move on...

or, suck it up as human error, be patient, wait for a patch, and play the game....buy the DLC which will add to the overal experience of what is, and excellent series of games....

It's funny, because I think you're the most worked up person I've seen post in this thread.

People here are simply saying No. No, this is not an acceptable quality of product. No, this is not acceptable business practice. No, this is not acceptable customer service. Saying No to unacceptable behaviour does not make us hysterical or haters.

Personally I thought Dragon Age: Origins was a remarkable piece of work, and along with the exquisite Witcher it drew me back into single-player RPG's after a hiatus. Right now i'm kicking off my weekend by having a peek at SW:TOR while it's on a free weekend pass; I'm not in the market for an MMO sub, but I am curious to see what they've done. I don't hate EA:Bioware but neither do I love EA:Bioware - Bioware is not my friend or my lover, Bioware is a company. Mass Effect 3 is a faulty product which should not have been released until it was functional, and the more discerning among their customers are quite rightly telling them so. See, no hysteria, no love, no hate.

Modifié par essefar, 16 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[Clarian]

Holger1405 wrote...
The problem is not even in ME3, or only partially there, the problem is that the ME2 Save files didn't have a Face code in them when you imported a ME1 character.

What about the problems with (non-NG+) ME2 characters (not imported from ME1)?

Modifié par Clarian, 16 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[brianpk80]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...
If you hate BW so much, get rid of your copies of ME3, delete your account on here, and move on...

Which strikes you as most peculiar:

A.  The scorned fans wondering in the pertinent thread if/when the defect will be remedied

-or-

B. The fan who joins that thread to complain about the fans talking about the defect

?

If this thread offends you so much and you're having difficulty understanding the discussion in here, you're under no obligation to keep posting.

or, suck it up as human error, be patient, wait for a patch, and play the game....buy the DLC which will add to the overal experience of what is, and excellent series of games....

Having just been defrauded by EA/Bioware, you propose that I purchase another product by them, which incidentally happens to have been excised from the original Mass Effect 3, to be sold separately.  

 

[cApAc aMaRu]

Holger1405 wrote...

FeministShep wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...
 we will not condemn Bioware over one Bug, as we know that mistakes are possible.

You don't get it man. This isn't a "Bug". A bug is an unintentional error in the code. I've developed games. This WOULD NOT have escaped testing, period. There isn't any debate, I'm sorry, not on this point. If you want to defend some corporation (who is now ruled over by a bigger corporation) for simply being lazy, be my guest. Buy their stuff and support their bad habits.

Go to this link to understand what really happened.
http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/

You are right about the Bug clarification, still it is easier to refer to it as such. The problem is not even in ME3, or only partially there, the problem is that the ME2 Save files didn't have a Face code in them when you imported a ME1 character. And I agree, this should  not escaped testing, still, it's only a mistake and it didn't turn Bioware in to the worst Game developed of all times.

You're right. It is a combination of all the horrible mistakes, and selling out to EA that made them a terrible developer. The Mass Effect 3 issues are the proof.

[zacgodbold]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

FeministShep wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...
 we will not condemn Bioware over one Bug, as we know that mistakes are possible.

You don't get it man. This isn't a "Bug". A bug is an unintentional error in the code. I've developed games. This WOULD NOT have escaped testing, period. There isn't any debate, I'm sorry, not on this point. If you want to defend some corporation (who is now ruled over by a bigger corporation) for simply being lazy, be my guest. Buy their stuff and support their bad habits.

Go to this link to understand what really happened.
http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/

You are right about the Bug clarification, still it is easier to refer to it as such. The problem is not even in ME3, or only partially there, the problem is that the ME2 Save files didn't have a Face code in them when you imported a ME1 character. And I agree, this should  not escaped testing, still, it's only a mistake and it didn't turn Bioware in to the worst Game developed of all times.

You're right. It is a combination of all the horrible mistakes, and selling out to EA that made them a terrible developer. The Mass Effect 3 issues are the proof.

I just want my Shephard back.

[Holger1405]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...


Celebrate your ignorance, it makes you special. Praise the gods for whatever scraps that fall from their mighty table and they are so benevolent as to allow you to nibble on.

celebrate your frustration and anger, it makes you spe...    Well, not really....