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[Ragke]

CantBurn wrote...

A completely related (in spirit) side-note. Sorry if this has been posted before. How fitting is it that Chris Priestly has "The Illusive Man" as his avatar photo?

I was thinking that, too. His visage is marked by a heartless gaze, simultaneously full of subtle condescension and abject joy at causing millions of gamers heartache, sorrow and rage.

[woodbyte]

woodbyte wrote...
(...) and my friend just finished his playthrough (he says he enjoyed it, even the ending), so tomorrow I'm stealing his copy and finally giving it a go. 

Nevermind that.
Was on my way to the **spoiler** after the mission on the **huge spoiler** to save the **wtf are you doing shut up** when it hit me: THIS ISN'T MY SHEPARD!

There's no way around it if you care as much as I and others on this thread do. At some point even the most faithful recreation is going to look weird, and the connection you feel torwards your Shepard is broken. It's the little things, really, and they always get to you, sooner or later.

I spent a fair amount of time recreating my Shep, using the tools linked by the OP and even using gibbed editor for finer control. But it still wasn't enough.

So I've gone back to the drawing board, but this time using the "recreate in ME2 method" some forumnites have been suggesting. The basic idea follows like this:

• Start new ME2 game;
• Recreate your ME1 Shepard in the customize menu instead of importing (I used YAML code as a starting point);
• Use gibbed to export the face of that new character to the endgame save you want to use in ME3;
• Start new ME3 game and import the save with new face.

There's just one problem with this method (besides being a pain to do perfectly): ME3 DOES NOT IMPORT ME2 FACES PROPERLY EITHER!




Forgive the no eye lashes bug. I don't know why it happened but it actually helped when it came time to pick the eye shadow colour.

The evolution above shows 2 things:

• The YAML method is broken even for its original purpose of outputting ME2 face codes of ME1 characters. While it gets most of it right it screws up on a few sliders namely Cheek Bones, Ear Orientation and Chin Width (more on those below);
• The ME3 face system is simply inept at understanding ME2 faces. I imported the face without any errors and yet it's a farcry from the ME2 source. This experiment leaves me with very little hope that I (and many of you) will ever be able to perfectly transfer our Shepards to this game like we did in ME2. Because if a perfect recreation of a ME1 character in ME2 does not import correctly to ME3, what will?

It also brings doubt to the words of the OP:

Chris Priestly wrote...
We have determined that faces importing incorrectly is an error with how codes were detected when transferred from Mass Effect 1 into Mass Effect 2 and then on into Mass Effect 3 or importing a Mass Effect 2 saved game with New Game +.

 
Sure, the error message that popups when your loyal customers (ME1 players) start a new game is annoying. But the reason why faces import incorrectly (all faces, not just ME1 ones) is because you've changed the available art assets and underlying bone structure far too much without paying enough attention to the conversion process (direct code import.. really!!?).

By now a few of you are thinking "You're wrong, my face imported perfectly!" to which I reply "Then wth are you doing here?". Truth is noone's faces have been imported correctly, just good enough (or not). ME3 seems to do a better job when the face is rounder (read featureless) and when the eyes are big and circular.

But then it would because there's very little information encoded on such faces, and whatever errors ME3 makes are much harder to notice. KunamiMata's Shepard is a good example of such a face. That she keeps pointing out her success story is a calling for others to follow suit was mildly annoying before, but now just plain untrue.

So where does this leave us? I suppose we could be optimistic and hope Bioware knows what it's doing (fat chance given this fiasco), and that they will bring the new CC closer to the old one and hence make imported faces more accurate. But as we near 200 pages in this thread, I doubt anyone really has enough optimism left to entertain such a thought for more than a few blissful seconds.

No. It's much more likely that they will simply fix the error people are getting by generating the proper face code (like they do, only better) and use that to generate faces that still won't satisfy most of us. But keelah, I hope I'm wrong about this.

NOTE: The final "ME3 Imported Face" image is a composite of ME3 face with the old hair, which isn't present in the new CC. I did this to focus exclusively on the differences between basic face features (proportion, eye size/position, etc.) and not having to comment on the worse looking replacement hair they bundled in this time. You can see original here. 


Regarding the YAML code errors...

951.N8I.T1L.N8P.L1I.15W.1KB.717.F36.586.2G6.577 (suggested code with the right hair, iris color, etc.)
951.N8I.41L.98P.L1I.15W.1NB.717.F36.586.2G6.577 (corrected code)
000.000.(-25)00.(-14)00.000.000.030.000.000.000.000.000 (offset)

Or in sliders:

• Cheek Bones: -25
• Ears Orientation: -14
• Chin Width: 3

Those were the values I had to add to bring the YAML code closer to the intended face.
I'm curious to know if this stands across all characters. I've tested it with two of my characters and the offsets were a match, and I recall NanNoir mentioning having to reduce cheek bones as well to get a better look, but if you try the recreate method and can be bothered to take a few notes, please leave'em here.

(by recreate method I mean doing it in ME2 not trying to recreate direcly in ME3, which is pointless when accuracy is a concern)

EDIT #1: Fixed a few typos.
EDIT #2: Fixed formatting.
EDIT #3: Uploaded original images of the recreation steps so you can better compare them (imported, recreated and YAML). I think the recreation is as close to perfect as the ME2 editor allows (only the blush colour is slighty off).

Modifié par woodbyte, 19 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[FeministShep]

Stellacylse wrote...
I would send Chris a box of donuts if I could. What a stressful job he has. I do not blame him for the fix and neither should anyone else. Personal attacks are balls. You're better than that, people.  

I don't think you need to feel too sorry for him. He's likely got benefits and a decent salarly, which is more than alot of people get these days, myself included. In fact, maybe he could lend me some money (I work 10$ an hour for a nonprofit) because he failed to inform us of this issue after we brought up our worries during the demo launch. 

And don't tell me (not talking to you specifically Stellacylse) he didn't know people weren't concerned. For anyone who was following these forums around demo launch, it is pretty obvious he knew of the whole deal, although at the time he picked his words very carefully.

My real anger about this whole importation issue stems from the fact that information about this problem was dileberately witheld from us in order to maximize sale profits. 

Everyone should read what I write below because this is what I believe is at the heart of why we feel duped and angry. It isn't some vendetta or misplaced rage. There are very specific, concrete reasons why this issue is much deeper than just the faces of our individual Shepards....


I'm not sure how many people on this thread were looking at the forums during the demo release, but there was quite a controversial forum topic put up by Chris shortly after the demo was released. In the post, he talked about how playing ME3 with a completely new character was a great thing to do. He posted this random topic after many people voiced their worries that they could not upload their Shepard for the demo. The demo, it should be noted, did not feature save importation, but people were generally put off a little when they had to play a different Shepard.

On the surface, his comment was a seemingly innocent opinion on how he liked to play the game. The important thing about this, however, were the comments that followed. People must have sensed something strange in his wording because after he started that post the concerned replies from fans started to pour in. Many people, myself included, expressed our worries about face importation on that thread. It was not one or two people. It was person after person after person. 

There is no way he did not know people were concerned about face importation. It was brought up again and again on the thread (a thread that HE started). Again, all of these comments were made weeks before the release. He knew this was a concern and he chose to not tell us.

His original post makes much more sense weeks later, after everything has been revealed. He wanted to test the waters. To see exactly how deep of crap Bioware was in for ommitting this. He was impressively subtle, but the intent of that post (and what it suggested he already knew) seems obvious to me.

If he would of told us about this issue before launch, I would have been a little mad and dissapointed, but I would have sucked it up and waited to buy the game until they fixed it. There honestly would have been no feelings of ill will towards Bioware. Mistakes (even obvious and glaring ones like this) do happen and if the mistake was from a company I loved (like I used to love Bioware), I would have gladly forgiven them once they fixed it. I would have waited for the fix, bought the game, and would not have one bad thing to say about the company.

But that's not what happened Chris. I know you are a human being. I think in your heart you would have probably perfered to do the right thing. But for whatever reason (and believe me, I am not ruling out the idiocy of your superiors) you did the wrong thing and held your breath while the very people you were supposed to be helping ended up paying their hard earned money because we didn't think you would hide this incredibly important detail from us. We trusted you. I trusted you.  You may have idiots above you who told you to keep this secret. Perhaps its not entirely fair to attack you directly for this, but at the end of the day you chose to put your name where your words are. If you don't feel like you can be honest with us, perhaps you shouldn't identify yourself as Chris Priestly because I imagine the real Chris Priestly wouldn't do something like this if he wasn't paid to do it. You may be a real person, but you sure don't act like one on here sometimes. 


490 Facebook "likes" and growing
http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/

1928 likes = Electronic Arts facebook

Modifié par FeministShep, 19 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[MrNiceguy976]

FeministShep wrote...

I'm not sure how many people on this thread were looking at the forums during the demo release, but there was quite a controversial forum topic put up by Chris shortly after the demo was released. In the post, he talked about how playing ME3 with a completely new character was a great thing to do. He posted this random topic after many people voiced their worries that they could not upload their Shepard for the demo. The demo, it should be noted, did not feature save importation, but people were generally put off a little when they had to play a different Shepard.

On the surface, his comment was a seemingly innocent opinion on how he liked to play the game. The important thing about this, however, were the comments that followed. People must have sensed something strange in his wording because after he started that post the concerned replies from fans started to pour in. Many people, myself included, expressed our worries about face importation on that thread. It was not one or two people. It was person after person after person. 

There is no way he did not know people were concerned about face importation. It was brought up again and again on the thread (a thread that HE started). Again, all of these comments were made weeks before the release. He knew this was a concern and he choise to not tell us. His original post makes much more sense weeks later, after everything has been revealed. He wanted to test the waters. To see exactly how deep of crap Bioware was in for ommitting this. He was impressively subtle, but the intent of that post (and what it suggested he already knew) seems obvious to me.

My Face When:sick:

[woodbyte]

FeministShep wrote...
490 and growing. 
http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/

Omg, wasn't it like 300 a couple of days ago? Nice!

And I agree, there's no way a bug like this slipped through the QA teams without anyone taking notice.
Actually I'd go as far as saying this bug was foreseen in the design stage of the new CC and deemed acceptable.

Modifié par woodbyte, 19 mars 2012 - 04:35 .

[Liaras]

I will not play ME3 .

I want to finish the campaign using MY SHEPARD.

[StephanieBengal]

Liaras wrote...


I will not play ME3 .

I want to finish the campaign using MY SHEPARD.

Then sadly, you probably won't be playing it for a long time. 

I have to admit, even I'm pretty surprised that they haven't had any news for over a week now. 

Again, this is unacceptable from Bioware. I ended up playing the game anyway, I'm just not as passionate as some in regards to the face imports, but still doesn't change the fact this thread shouldn't have to exist. I commend people like you that are willing to hold out. 

Modifié par StephanieBengal, 19 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[cApAc aMaRu]

Liaras wrote...


I will not play ME3 .

I want to finish the campaign using MY SHEPARD.

There is no Mass Effect without my Shepard.

[Bonaven]

Why they didn't udpate this thread anymore? Whatever works... just put some "yeah,we're still working on it" but don't leave us hanging that way, please...

[ThinkIntegral]

That truly sucks woodbyte. What a total failure this whole thing has been. The website owner of fixmasseffect3 should use your post to show the extent of the headmorph problem. Plus, that post should be stickied in this forum.

[FeministShep]

Wow, I am shocked how fast the Facebook group is growing now. We gained almost 40 in the last 2 hours!

I am really happy to see people aren't giving up this time. Honestly, I am surprised to see this community gain more steam as week 2 passes with still no detailed update (and paragraph long updates with innacurate details about the issue don't count) about EXACTLY what steps they are taking to fix this issue and when they expect to fix this. 

It's clear people aren't going to accept the same old "you're stuck with our product, deal with it" message that game corporations have been silently giving us for the past 5 years when they give us a raw deal. Social media gives us the weapon we need when the game coorporations ignore the people who fuel their dreams.

Our Facebook page has grown by nearly 40 in the past 2 hours. This is HUGE. The rate increase is the fastest it has ever been BY FAR. I have a feeling we'll be hearing from Bioware very soon about exactly what is happening. If they won't run the show, they now know we'll steer the captain's wheel for them.

Social Media groups like this can be like cancer if left untreated. They keep growing and growing and growing. They let this spread for a week now. They better hope it's not stage 4 as many people have stopped even checking for the lack of updates, making damage control increasingly more difficult.

We've got some footing now. I can feel it. We'll get this done.

Whenever we feel like giving up we just gotta listen to that Mass Effect music in our heads and press on. 



I AM NOT PLAYING UNTIL I HAVE MY SHEPARD BACK  
http://www.fixmasseffect3.com
528 = Fix Mass Effect 3 Facebook likes
1928 = Electronic Arts Facebook likes


UPDATE:
In the past 20 minutes we just jumped up another ten on facebook. Unbelievable! I expect it will die down for a little bit as the night ends and the work day starts but awesome job by everyone. Stay on message guys and above all support one another. Repeat each others' catchy phrases and good points. The number one thing companies do when they have a PR crisis is to try to get people off message and disorganized to lessen the impact of their combined power. If we support each other and work as one we will achieve our objective as quickly as possible. In other words, we will get the game we paid for.

Modifié par FeministShep, 19 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[Gladiater56]

2 weeks. . . 2 weeks and not a single word from Chris or ANYONE from Bioware. Guys I love ya to death and I love what you do but for pete's sake stand up for your fans and TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!

[ThinkIntegral]

Well, just finished my long overdue ME2 Insanity run and look at that, unsurprisingly, no communication, no word on ETA, no update.

[ragunghf]

Christ said March 9 updated for face,but until now there is no update for ME3. He was lied to us!!!!

[Criterion89]

Прошло уже 2 недели, где фикс? неужели там такой трудный баг, который тяжело исправить? как можно было выпустить игру и за ранее не проверить импорт лиц

[MrNiceguy976]

English:
USING THE POWER OF GOOGLE TRANSLATE, THIS POST IS IN TWO LANGUAGES!

Well it has been two weeks because it is safe to assume that Bioware doesn't give two ****s about what the public thinks about them, only money. They have gone downhill since after Mass Effect 2 was released. Sorry to tell you that my Russian friend

But you can try the YAML or YAML + Gibbed method as mentioned earlier in the thread to try to recreate your Shepard, albeit to a lesser accuracy than you would want.

Russian:
Использование Силы Google Translate, этот пост на двух языках!

Ну, это было две недели, потому что можно с уверенностью предположить, что Bioware не дают два дерьмо о том, что общественность думает о них, только деньги. Они пошли вниз, так как после 2 Mass Effect был освобожден. Извините, что говорю вам, что мой русский друг: P

Но вы можете попробовать YAML YAML или + Gibbed метод как уже упоминалось ранее в теме, чтобы попытаться восстановить ваш Шепард, хотя и в меньшей точностью, чем вам хотелось бы.

[woodbyte]

ThinkIntegral wrote...

Well, just finished my long overdue ME2 Insanity run and look at that, unsurprisingly, no communication, no word on ETA, no update.

Cool, I had done that just prior to ME3 being released. Wasn't as hard as I was expecting (played a Sentinel).
And I'm so beat down I'm not even looking for updates anymore..

ThinkIntegral wrote...

That truly sucks woodbyte. What a total failure this whole thing has been. The website owner of fixmasseffect3 should use your post to show the extent of the headmorph problem. Plus, that post should be stickied in this forum.

 

I know what you mean but tbh I almost wish I never tried remaking my Shep. Every attempt just shines light into this ever growing cluster****, and it gets harder and harder to believe it'll all work out. Ignorance is bliss.

Actually I'm thinking of doing a renegade run starting with ME1, put my mind off things. Full renegade never felt right to me (more of a paragade person myself), but I have a gut feeling it will work out this time.

Modifié par woodbyte, 19 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[woodbyte]

makalathbonagin wrote...

well we haven't seen Chris in a while, here or anywhere else on teh forums...

All people must sleep. This just proves he's flesh and blood like the rest of us.
Whether or not he has a heart is still open to debate.

[FeministShep]

 hmmm, gotta go to bed, work tomorrow. But I have been searching the internet looking for information about the face importation error and was surprised this issue was not brought up on Gamespot and other major Gaming sites. There are some new news articles posted up by Gamespot concerning bad Bioware PR but they have to do with this new ending controversy that came out of the blue a few days ago. Recently some people have been very vocal on other forums (and oddly enough this forum) about their dissatisfaction with the ending.

Now this is 100 percent conjecture, but I was wondering if Bioware could be possibly artificially inflating the disastisfaction with the "ending" issue in order to draw away attention from this face import fiasco that may or may not be fixable. An ending, after all, is something that they cannot fix and therefore it would be much easier to make their suppliers think the fans were riled up about the ending rather than an unplayable error.

Like I said, I am 100 percent speculating and the last thing I want to do right now is argue with other people who are just as mad at Bioware as I am. This is just silly speculation on my part and I'm sure people have legitimate concerns about how the series ended.

But still, we must be cautious of any covert tactics as they are not uncommon in situations with coorporations this large and profitable. Keep in mind ME3 is a multi-million dollar product and it has been historically true in these situations that companies with this budget will develop elaborate counter strategies to deflate potential devastating uprisings in public relations. This is especially true in this time of social media, where a group of disastisfied customers can mobilize in a heartbeat. They're getting a lot more sneaky in response to this relatively new phenomenon.

Again, I am not accusing anyone of making anything up. I just want to keep all of our eyes open as we are just now starting to really dig our heels in and I don't want our effors get derailed by a well trained and paid PR staff.

They've been quiet lately. Too quiet. lol.

Join the resistance...
http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/
Make them finish the game they started.

Modifié par FeministShep, 19 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

[Breakdown Boy]

What is wierd is the ME1 faces gave you three different faces on the start of the game:

1 - Your ME1 face
2 - The sheploo face
3 - The custom face

I could not alter my ME1 face on ME2 so why not use the same system where the ME1 face is imported as a seperate image but just sharpened to fit the new graphics?

[FeministShep]

 hmmm, gotta go to bed, work tomorrow. But I have been searching the internet looking for information about the face importation error and was surprised this issue was not brought up on Gamespot and other major Gaming sites. There are some new news articles posted up by Gamespot concerning bad Bioware PR but they have to do with this new ending controversy that came out of the blue a few days ago. Recently some people have been very vocal on other forums (and oddly enough this forum) about their dissatisfaction with the ending.

Now this is 100 percent conjecture, but I was wondering if Bioware could be possibly artificially inflating the disastisfaction with the "ending" issue in order to draw away attention from this face import fiasco that may or may not be fixable. An ending, after all, is something that they cannot fix and therefore it would be much easier to make their suppliers think the fans were riled up about the ending rather than an unplayable error.

Like I said, I am 100 percent speculating and the last thing I want to do right now is argue with other people who are just as mad at Bioware as I am. This is just silly speculation on my part and I'm sure people have legitimate concerns about how the series ended.

But still, we must be cautious of any covert tactics as they are not uncommon in situations with coorporations this large and profitable. Keep in mind ME3 is a multi-million dollar product and it has been historically true in these situations that companies with this budget will develop elaborate counter strategies to deflate potential devastating uprisings in public relations. This is especially true in this time of social media, where a group of disastisfied customers can mobilize in a heartbeat. They're getting a lot more sneaky in response to this relatively new phenomenon.

Again, I am not accusing anyone of making anything up. I just want to keep all of our eyes open as we are just now starting to really dig our heels in and I don't want our effors get derailed by a well trained and paid PR staff.

makalathbonagin wrote...

well we haven't seen Chris in a while, here or anywhere else on teh forums...

They've been quiet lately. Too quiet. lol. This worries me, because I know they are doing 100's of sneaky things every hours. When I worked in PR a while back we would put fake comments in all the time in response to negative comments on the social media forums. But that was on a shoestring budget. I can only imagine what they are capable of at the helm of a mult-million dollar video game PR department. Especially when they have direct control over the forums and can virtually create an unlimited amount of user accounts.

Join the resistance...
http://www.fixmasseffect3.com/
Make them finish the game they started.

Modifié par FeministShep, 19 mars 2012 - 09:41 .

[greywardencommander]

I will not play this game until this fix is sorted! I get 5 minutes into the game and can't stand the site of my distorted fake Shepard and have to turn off. Not to mention the fact that the ending (definitive ending as I think of the game tying up all the substories as a 30 hour ending) was ruined for me by people, when I was looking for fixes in articles etc, replying saying 'it doesn't matter because this happens in the end'. Grrr at the internet lol. In short I want to complete my ME3 playthrough with my Paragon Shephard I've got so used to his voice with that face it just does not work any other way! Same with my Renegade FemShep

[greywardencommander]

On a complete side note, I've played DA:O, DA:A, DA2, ME1-3 (albeit for 5 mins with the last) why can't I get my account to sync all my games :'(