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Issue importing faces into Mass Effect 3 Updated March 21


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#6251
Emphyr

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Well,
I saw the posting from Lion ( i saw all postings in this tread (

I have payed 79,- Euro for a game that still cannot import.
The price here in The Netherlands ( Collectors Edition) just went down to 49,- Euro (:
What about that Bioware ?

Ill never ever pre-order a game from you again.

What should have been a climax is an anti climax and frustration. I have tried  for 10 hours to recreate my Nicole Shepard. I tried all solutions but not one is working for me.

I also got ( exclusief for my country a scale model of the Normandy.
I am so disappointed that it is no fun at all for me to look at so i shipped it to a fan for free  in the UK that has a very nice collection.

This one->
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Take Care

Regards from The Netherlands

Modifié par Emphyr, 28 mars 2012 - 06:09 .


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ThinkIntegral

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Hahah that's kind of lame, but that screen isn't that bad.  Reminds me of that screen you get at the end of ME2 that says you can continue playiing or startover with a new game.

Unless you're saying it's similar Jurassic Park on the SNES.

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cApAc aMaRu

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Emphyr wrote...

Well,
I saw the posting from Lion ( i saw all postings in this tread (

I have payed 79,- Euro for a game that still cannot import.
The price here in The Netherlands ( Collectors Edition) just went down to 49,- Euro (:
What about that Bioware ?

Ill never ever pre-order a game from you again.

Take Care


Still better than the US$130 equivalent I had to pay in derpy Australia.

#6254
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First Skyrim and then Mass Effect. I bought Skyrim the day it came out. Started playing it and then ran into game breaking problems and had to wait 2 months for a patch just to play it again. Mass Effect I bought the day it came out and have yet to start the game because of a game breaking problem. Who knows how long we have to wait for a patch.

Anyone else noticing a trend with game developers these days. The complete lack of respect for consumers is appalling. They would rather release a broken product, fill there wallets and patch the product later. I remember when video game developers used to make quality games because they themselves loved games. Back in the day games were made for gamers by gamers. But now the corporate machine rules with an iron fist and greed has taken over.

First Bethesda and now Bioware. I wonder what favorite developer of mine will disappoint me next.

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X2three wrote...

Don't worry Lion, you may not work at Bioware but your just as vague and useless as your superior Chris.

To date, No one from Bioware or The Nordic or anyone in between:

* Has apologised for this massive stuff up.
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Ecellent posting!
TY

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I can't wait for the patch to be released so i can start playing the game and make up my mind about the endings that so many people are unhappy about. I have a feeling that i will disagree with those people, but i don't want to take part in any discussions until i have experienced them myself :/

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 I hope the patch makes everyone happy but i have a sinking feeling it's going to feel more like  this

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Almost a month post-release, still broken. Inexcusable. Last day of March is Saturday.

No patch by then? Game will be returned.

Only my original stance was "I will rebuy when this is fixed.", now it's "No, I won't be repurchasing it, it's not worth it, if this is the customer service I can expect from now on."

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Crimson Jupiter wrote...

I can't wait for the patch to be released so i can start playing the game and make up my mind about the endings that so many people are unhappy about. I have a feeling that i will disagree with those people, but i don't want to take part in any discussions until i have experienced them myself :/


Something I've never quite understood about this topic.... even if your Shep won't import  (my first didn't, my second did), why not just re-create the face with the ME3 editor? It's really annoying, but only a few minutes of work.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 mars 2012 - 07:11 .


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AlanC9 wrote...

Crimson Jupiter wrote...

I can't wait for the patch to be released so i can start playing the game and make up my mind about the endings that so many people are unhappy about. I have a feeling that i will disagree with those people, but i don't want to take part in any discussions until i have experienced them myself :/


Something I've never quite understood about this topic.... even if your Shep won't import  (my first didn't, my second did), why not just re-create the face with the ME3 editor? It's really annoying, but only a few minutes of work.


It's not "only a few minutes of work".  For a great many people, it's IMPOSSIBLE.

Assets that existed in the ME1 CC *do not exist* in the ME3 CC.  You CANNOT recreate a great deal of faces.  Period.  The materials to do so don't exist.  That's like me saying "Build a copy of the Empire State Building, but you can't use any steel, or anything square shaped."

Certain eye colors, hairstyles, makeup effects, and more, DO NOT EXIST in the ME3 CC.

There was a similar bit with the ME2 CC, but, that import collected raw data, not a facecode.

That's why we can't just "re-create the face".  Don't you think we've all tried that already?

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AlanC9 wrote...
Something I've never quite understood about this topic.... even if your Shep won't import  (my first didn't, my second did), why not just re-create the face with the ME3 editor? It's really annoying, but only a few minutes of work.


For many faces its not possible because they remooved the scars, some noses, eyebrows etc etc. So a lot of faces simply cannot be reconstructed. It is explained many many times in this topic.
read back many faces are shown as pictures.. Load a few and try it yourself.:whistle:

Take Care

Modifié par Emphyr, 28 mars 2012 - 07:16 .


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cApAc aMaRu

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AlanC9 wrote...

Crimson Jupiter wrote...

I can't wait for the patch to be released so i can start playing the game and make up my mind about the endings that so many people are unhappy about. I have a feeling that i will disagree with those people, but i don't want to take part in any discussions until i have experienced them myself :/


Something I've never quite understood about this topic.... even if your Shep won't import  (my first didn't, my second did), why not just re-create the face with the ME3 editor? It's really annoying, but only a few minutes of work.


1. Shouldn't have to.
2. The human mind is programmed for face recognition. The slightest difference in a face you are accustomed too is wrong, maybe only sub-conciously, but its still there, and it ruins the experience.

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DoctorEss wrote...

Almost a month post-release, still broken. Inexcusable. Last day of March is Saturday.

No patch by then? Game will be returned.

Only my original stance was "I will rebuy when this is fixed.", now it's "No, I won't be repurchasing it, it's not worth it, if this is the customer service I can expect from now on."


I got my copy from GAME and the only one near me has just closed. At least you'll get your money back.

Modifié par Topcat9o, 28 mars 2012 - 07:19 .


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AlanC9

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I agree with 1. I guess 2 didn't bother me because I improved the face when I re-did it in ME3

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AlanC9 wrote...

I agree with 1. I guess 2 didn't bother me because I improved the face when I re-did it in ME3


Well, I've known my Shepard for 5 years. If and when he comes back, I might hang out with him. Some of his friends jerked me around though, so it might be easier to just avoid him altogether.

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BIOWARE the name of this patch should be LAZARUS_PROJECT patch because you are reconstructing Shepard's face xD

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I just read an interview (www.ripten.com/2012/03/27/brian-fargo-talks-wasteland-2-abysmal-publisher-treatment-and-having-fun-again/3/) in which Brian Fargo mentions that developers are not responsible for QA; publishers handle that. He's very explicit in saying that oftentimes developers are left in the dark about aspects of the game that we assume they handle. He lays the blame right at publishers' feet for bugs that slip out the door.

Modifié par JustYourAverageGrunt, 28 mars 2012 - 07:39 .


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Lion Martinez wrote...

Hello again,

No Mr. Cat has not left the building but being on GMT+1, I am not at the office during the most busy US hours and had to tend to the family a bit. I'm usually on anyway but I couldn't last night unfortunately.

I want to clear a few things up. Firstly I don't work OUT OF BioWare Austin or Edmonton but I am just as much a full time employee nonetheless. My actual duties do not include these forums but I chose to ask for permission to talk to you as I believe it's needed. In fact my prime tasks involve Nordics only but I care about all fans so I'm here on my own accord.

I don't expect my presence to make your frustration regarding this problem and how you feel you been treated to magicially disappear, nor am I feeding you something that I don't genuinely believe. You are very much entitled to voicing your opinions and you should not be moderated for it as long as it's not personal attacks or trolling towards BioWare staff members.

I do however, in the situation we're in hope that you can see that we are actually working on issues and that we hear you. Everything said here is compiled and conveyed to the correct people, both at EA and BioWare.
I know that it might not always seem that any of us are around, especially with a perceived "silence" when there's no post from BioWare staff for X amount of time. But we are and we do. Also this is something I CAN affect and thus I'm doing my best to affect it.

Now I can't talk specifically why this error was in the live game, simple reason is that I wasn't part of the process. I know how irritating it can be though, I have friends who are affected. I've been lucky as I run PC stock MaleShep but it doesn't lessen my empathy for the need for a fix. I acknowledge it fully.


Seriously, THANK YOU for that. I'm glad that someone at least chose to do so and it means quite a lot actually.

My problem on the situation does still run deep though. That we're being told it's being worked on and we're cared for by someone that isn't directly working on the problem and had to go to people and ask permission to report  such basic information despite only having a distant knowledge of the details of the case (despite the apparent fact that people who do know all the details and are authorized to speak on it remain silent) speaks to where things are wrong on such a forum much more eloquently than I could, I'm certain. 

Some advice then if everyone is listening - If you could get someone to comment on how the patch will fix the issues or anything else, since it's been finished, please do so to prevent the anger that'll result to some of us if it turns out it's not going to fix any of the wide-ranging issues that've been reported. When you remain silent it's a safe way to limit any liability against you resulting from misspeaking, but you also limit the benefit of it as well as opening yourself to all sorts of unintended consequences resulting from your poor communication - such as the disillusionment of those customers from being seemingly actively ignored. If they weren't ignored, you cost yourself at least a significant portion of their future goodwill as a longtime fan because you couldn't be bothered to say anything to give them any hope that their voice was being heard or appreciated beyond a non-statement. Silence itself can speak far louder than any words that may be used - and in this case it's done quite a lot of damage.

--I suppose that it's all too late for any of that on this one, but I'd like to at least be able to see some improvement on it in the future. Perhaps somewhere down the road that trust might be rebuilt for those of us that have been disillusioned and feel betrayed by the entire process and I hope you'll take the steps to do so. All I can say is I'll have plenty of time to monitor such issues in the future before making a purchase from any EA game and at a discounted price to assuage and mitigate the loss represented by those doubts they've developed/published and that includes any Bioware one, which makes me more  than a bit sad vs the way I felt before-hand and delegating them as instant-buys. 

Modifié par torgoservo, 28 mars 2012 - 07:59 .


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Aye, you can attempt to recreate your Shep, muck about at it for hours, but why the "tap*F#to@continue" should you?! And if you're a nit-pickin so an' so like me, you're nay gonna be happy till the import is fixed. I mean its one of the great things bout this game, adds a wee bit of personalisation into a great story.

Never played a RPG with a default character before and I won't now. Somebody at game HQ really dropped the ball on this. Fingers crossed patch is out soon!

Was gonna kick off my ME3 when my new mouse mat arrived from the States, so lets see what I get first.

Modifié par Hughman, 28 mars 2012 - 07:53 .


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D@mn, just ran into this issue...
Have been playing the Shadow Broker, Hammerhead and The Arrival missions for the last few days and I really got reaquainted with my personal Shepard. Even experienced some good old bugs which made me redo a whole mission. I just love that game.
I... Must... Wait... For... My... Face...

Please Bioware, give us an ETA. We're quite disappointed with this issue and we would very much like to start this game by now. Ironically, only the oldest and most loyal fans are affected :alien:

EDIT: forgot to add that I purchased the N7 Collector's Edition on pre-sale. That does add up to the pain, actually :(

Modifié par FatBoyNL, 28 mars 2012 - 08:10 .


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JBauer24Tactics

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Bought the game early on day one ---> Can't even play it.

Cool story bro.

#6272
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Some Fun now:)

(high level ppl from EA and BW spotted on the forums) :)

http://social.biowar.../index/10739853

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Just read that interview with Brian Fargo, and it just all makes sense now. It sort of reaffirmed what I already knew.
This is EAs doing. Not Biowares.
I'm not one to make sensationalist comments really but I truly believe Bioware sold it's soul to EA. It's not mere coincidence that bad press and consumer backlash began in earnest after EA bought out Bioware. EA handles the QA and when they see fit to release the game, it's released, regardless of Biowares input or protest. It's the business practices from above that Bioware has zero influence on that are slowly eroding the reputation of the company.

And that's the true shame for me. Sure, I'm bummed that I can't play my £70 Collector's Edition. But I'm devastated that this great company is being dragged further and further into the mire by the huge publishing juggernaut that owns it. I fear great new IPs such as Mass Effect and Dragon Age could be a thing of the past. Truly upsetting, to be honest.

Edit:- I also believe this is why Bioware has yet to admit liability or apologize, as it isn't their fault. And EA would never allow them to admit fault on their behalf.

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Emphyr wrote...

Some Fun now:)

(high level ppl from EA and BW spotted on the forums) :)

http://social.biowar.../index/10739853



I LOL'd :lol:

My favs were the goose and the masked cat :ph34r:

To think Mr Stanley Woo was LIGHTNING QUICK to lock down that thread. Took him 6 minutes.

If only Bioware's reflexes were as keen on fixing our game-breaking bug...

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Simonion wrote...

Just read that interview with Brian Fargo, and it just all makes sense now. It sort of reaffirmed what I already knew.
This is EAs doing. Not Biowares.
I'm not one to make sensationalist comments really but I truly believe Bioware sold it's soul to EA. It's not mere coincidence that bad press and consumer backlash began in earnest after EA bought out Bioware. EA handles the QA and when they see fit to release the game, it's released, regardless of Biowares input or protest. It's the business practices from above that Bioware has zero influence on that are slowly eroding the reputation of the company.

And that's the true shame for me. Sure, I'm bummed that I can't play my £70 Collector's Edition. But I'm devastated that this great company is being dragged further and further into the mire by the huge publishing juggernaut that owns it. I fear great new IPs such as Mass Effect and Dragon Age could be a thing of the past. Truly upsetting, to be honest.


That's the basic truth.  EA, Activision, and other pubs like them would much prefer to endlessly rehash sequels, rather than risk new IPs.  Which is why despite what Bioware's original intent for ME was, EA will force them to make new ones.  If they don't want to, well, Bioware goes Westwood, and EA simply gets a team of people to make ME games without them.