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[X2three]

DocDoomII wrote...

I don't know if anyone played a bit with the character creator, but personally I discovered that my femShep wasn't imported just because her eye color was not directly available in ME2.
As I see it, when you import a face from ME1, ME2 keeps all of its features even if they are not directly available in the character creator.
This however leads to the bug where the game cannot create a facecode because such features do not have their alphanumeric value (which simply is the position of the slides in the character creator).

It is very well possible that these features are still present in ME3, but the game cannot extrapolate them because ME2 couldn't generate a facecode with their alphanumeric value.

I'm extremely curious on how they will be able to fix this without patching ME2 or using an external program that will simply read the face from our ME1 save and produce a ME3 facecode to paste in the character creator.

No DocDoom, the fact is that some features from ME1 and even 2 are missing like certain eye shapes, eyebrows, colors and the list goes on. If you were lucky to have made a face where the parts made it into ME3, then you generally could either replicate or redo your Shepard. But a vast majority clearly used facial features that do not exist in ME3 anymore. It is not a matter of a different number being assigned. Hell an easy way to check this is go back to ME1 and 2 and take note of the hair styles.

Now go to ME3 and try and find them. You will find are outright missing and this is the problem. Many missing features throughout.

[JBauer24Tactics]

Hey Chris, seeing as it has been a month since I bought this game and cannot play it, just wondering if we can get an update?

[DocDoomII]

X2three wrote...

DocDoomII wrote...

I don't know if anyone played a bit with the character creator, but personally I discovered that my femShep wasn't imported just because her eye color was not directly available in ME2.
As I see it, when you import a face from ME1, ME2 keeps all of its features even if they are not directly available in the character creator.
This however leads to the bug where the game cannot create a facecode because such features do not have their alphanumeric value (which simply is the position of the slides in the character creator).

It is very well possible that these features are still present in ME3, but the game cannot extrapolate them because ME2 couldn't generate a facecode with their alphanumeric value.

I'm extremely curious on how they will be able to fix this without patching ME2 or using an external program that will simply read the face from our ME1 save and produce a ME3 facecode to paste in the character creator.

No DocDoom, the fact is that some features from ME1 and even 2 are missing like certain eye shapes, eyebrows, colors and the list goes on. If you were lucky to have made a face where the parts made it into ME3, then you generally could either replicate or redo your Shepard. But a vast majority clearly used facial features that do not exist in ME3 anymore. It is not a matter of a different number being assigned. Hell an easy way to check this is go back to ME1 and 2 and take note of the hair styles.

Now go to ME3 and try and find them. You will find are outright missing and this is the problem. Many missing features throughout.

That's exactly what I said.
They are not DIRECTLY available at character creation. But are available when IMPORTING (from ME1 to ME2) but fail to generate the alphanumeric facecode and whit this problem ME3 cannot extrapolate them. I bet that if the import feature of ME3 could recognize the eye color I had in ME1 through ME2 save, that color would be available even in ME3. Even if it is not DIRECTLY available at character creation.

[Benny8484]

DocDoomII wrote...

I don't know if anyone played a bit with the character creator, but personally I discovered that my femShep wasn't imported just because her eye color was not directly available in ME2.
As I see it, when you import a face from ME1, ME2 keeps all of its features even if they are not directly available in the character creator.
This however leads to the bug where the game cannot create a facecode because such features do not have their alphanumeric value (which simply is the position of the slides in the character creator).

It is very well possible that these features are still present in ME3, but the game cannot extrapolate them because ME2 couldn't generate a facecode with their alphanumeric value.

I'm extremely curious on how they will be able to fix this without patching ME2 or using an external program that will simply read the face from our ME1 save and produce a ME3 facecode to paste in the character creator.

Excellent find.  This is exactly what I have been getting at.  I spent HOURS & HOURS trying to make my character look like my ME1 & ME2 character & its simply not possible with the current character creator in ME3.  To those who replied "The graphics are better so of course she will look different", no just no.  My character should not look WORSE in a AAA title that was released years after its previous title.

[Topcat9o]

DoctorEss wrote...

Simonion wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Simonion wrote...

Just read that interview with Brian Fargo, and it just all makes sense now. It sort of reaffirmed what I already knew.
This is EAs doing. Not Biowares.
I'm not one to make sensationalist comments really but I truly believe Bioware sold it's soul to EA. It's not mere coincidence that bad press and consumer backlash began in earnest after EA bought out Bioware. EA handles the QA and when they see fit to release the game, it's released, regardless of Biowares input or protest. It's the business practices from above that Bioware has zero influence on that are slowly eroding the reputation of the company.

And that's the true shame for me. Sure, I'm bummed that I can't play my £70 Collector's Edition. But I'm devastated that this great company is being dragged further and further into the mire by the huge publishing juggernaut that owns it. I fear great new IPs such as Mass Effect and Dragon Age could be a thing of the past. Truly upsetting, to be honest.

That's the basic truth.  EA, Activision, and other pubs like them would much prefer to endlessly rehash sequels, rather than risk new IPs.  Which is why despite what Bioware's original intent for ME was, EA will force them to make new ones.  If they don't want to, well, Bioware goes Westwood, and EA simply gets a team of people to make ME games without them.

I don't know about you but I have been an avid gamer all my life. The first Mass Effect is simply one of the best games ever made, all IMO of course. An exquisite piece of storytelling that had me captivated for a good 6 months and which I still rank among my top 5 games. Then the 2nd came and it started. EA had bought Bioware by that point and it showed. Hollywood-esque storyline complete with Hollywood-esque action to appeal to the masses. Not to detract from what was an excellent game in it's own right. Just not a patch (no pun intended lolololol) on the first game.

And now we have this. I can't express how upsetting it is, really. I haven't played any game since it's release. I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm at the stage now where my perspective of games and gaming has changed drastically, and I won't be nearly as invested in a game, or franchise, again.

For those who see it as overly dramatic, well, maybe it is. But respect that there are those of us out there feeling a real sense of loss.

To answer, since Space Invaders was still something you could put quarters into.  

That said, I agree.  Sure, ME1 had some rough spots (combat could be troublesome at times, either too easy, or too overwhelming in spots, repeated "enemies everywhere!" audio was obnoxious), but as an entire product, it was fantastic.  Excellent, truly epic storytelling, the galaxy had a vastness to it that ME2 and 3 do not in ANY way replicate.  Even the much-maligned Mako was something I enjoyed.  I loved the exploration.  Not just in a video game sense, but in the "This is one of the closest things I'll get to standing on an alien world, staring at an alien sun." kind of way.

2 started the downfall of turning into an ADHD hyperactive Gears of War shooter, friendly to the crowd that thinks Halo and Madden are the best things ever, and who actually say "brewski" non-ironically.

3 just made that worse. 

However, I will admit, if they were to, say, put the combat of 3, into ME1, with a comfortable merger of the Mako and Hammerhead, and bring back planetary exploration, and the vast dialogue of 1, I think that would probably be the crowning achievement of Mass Effect.

The very, very sad thing is:  That's what we were supposed to get.  That's what had been promised.  Instead, auto dialogue abounds, vehicular exploration is either permanently removed, or saved for a quickie DLC like 2, and it's mostly just a story based shooter now.

If they had taken THE very best elements of all three, you'd have an incredible game, that I think would bring back a lot of angry fans.  Solid combat, solid story, good exploration, that feeling of "this is a vast and amazing universe", good dialogue...

Ah well.  Missed opportunity.

Things like the decline of the game, rushed things, missed bugs, bugs ignored and forced through (like the face import), is just a symptom of the cancer of EA.

I like to think EA is more of an STD. 

[Clarian]

OmegaSpartan91 wrote...
I know, but even if you say otherwise, you like this game so much to boycott it...EVEN if the ending DLC is not free (which I think is what will happen), people like you and me WILL buy it day 1. We know that's true.

I have no reason to buy DLC if I haven't even played the main campaign yet.  

Take DA2, for example.  I bought that, but I didn't buy the griffon statue DLC, and I didn't buy the Felicia Day DLC.  Why not? Because the main campaign was too boring to finish.  So, no need for DLC.  And this was after I had bought every possible DA:O add-on, so I was pretty invested in the series...or, the first game, at least.

I bought DA2 on the strength of the previous game...which I guess was a poor decision, in retrospect.  Luckily for me, it will be impossible to make that mistake next time.  There's no chance of me buying Bioware's next thing on the strength of DA2 or ME3, because I haven't even played them.

[Holger1405]

X2three wrote...

I actually played the game for about 3 hours 2 weeks ago with a default Shepard because it suddenly occurred to me what if the rest of the game is messed up and yeah there are some shocking bugs like the conversation where Liara and Shepard don't look at each other because they are looking at Liara's little floaty globe thing from the Shadow Broker Ship (Can't remember it's name). And it shocked me that I wasn't drawn back to the game since!! ME1 & 2 I played religiously!! ME3 - I played 3 hours and felt so underwhelmed. I think quite a number of you who are already jaded by this face import are going to be even more upset when game time FINALLY comes round and you see how Bioware have pulled another Dragon Age 2 effort with Mass Effect 3 and made your choices in past games utterly pointless. So to all my brothers and sisters fighting the Face import good fight, I say to you, be ready for more disappointments!!

I cannot wait to see how Bioware & their Overlord masters EA are going to ruin Generals 2 when it is released. Oh how the mighty have fallen......................

So, you actually didn't Play the Game, but judging it? Interesting...

You guys (and Girls) who  didn't play because of this bug, in game, (so besides the Face import bug) are only a few minor bugs, bugs btw ME2 did have to.
And your decisions from the previous games did matter a lot, (can't explain further due to Spoilers.)
but trust me, they matter a great deal.

Don't let you drag away from playing, ME3 is a Amazing Game!

[chainsawgutsfuck]

StMalk wrote...

21 days passed. Still no patch, no fix, nothing. People can't even play the game they bought. Perfect.

There is a fundamental difference between "can't" and "won't"...

Hopefully people learn from this and stop throwing their money around; when you look at people like CD Projekt patching Witcher 2 within a week (Yes, 7 days!) of release to iron out some of the minor issues, then in the following two weeks release full patches for most of the major issues (without shying away from the community who are, after all, also human beings), it makes me wonder quite how it can take so long for what people are calling "AAA" game developers to address something that should never of been an issue.

I have a feeling the clever wording of this "fix" update will only fix some people's inability to import an ME1 to ME2 face import, but it'll still look wrong since it'll be using the default ME3 options and hairstyles. The chances of them reinstating the options from ME2 so you actually get the same Shepard back are very slim, because that would require actual effort.

[Tigercml]

JBauer24Tactics wrote...

Hey Chris, seeing as it has been a month since I bought this game and cannot play it, just wondering if we can get an update?

The fact that he's only posted in this thread twice and hasn't answered a single question regarding the fix shows that he's not following or reading any of the comments in this thread. Aside from Lion making his occasional appearance were all just talking to a wall.

Modifié par Tigercml, 29 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Benny8484]

chainsawguts**** wrote...

StMalk wrote...

21 days passed. Still no patch, no fix, nothing. People can't even play the game they bought. Perfect.

There is a fundamental difference between "can't" and "won't"...

Hopefully people learn from this and stop throwing their money around; when you look at people like CD Projekt patching Witcher 2 within a week (Yes, 7 days!) of release to iron out some of the minor issues, then in the following two weeks release full patches for most of the major issues (without shying away from the community who are, after all, also human beings), it makes me wonder quite how it can take so long for what people are calling "AAA" game developers to address something that should never of been an issue.

I have a feeling the clever wording of this "fix" update will only fix some people's inability to import an ME1 to ME2 face import, but it'll still look wrong since it'll be using the default ME3 options and hairstyles. The chances of them reinstating the options from ME2 so you actually get the same Shepard back are very slim, because that would require actual effort.

Yeah this has me concerned as well.  I'm really hoping they are also making adjustments to the character creator so our characters will actually look like they did in the past 2 games.  But as you said, Bioware would actually have to put forth effort & so its unlikely.

[rapchill]

chainsawguts**** wrote...

...Hopefully people learn from this and stop throwing their money around...

Everyone here - apart from maybe the more informed of us - bought the game on the pretense that it was a working product. To suggest people are "[...] throwing their money around" for buying this game is ignorant, and degrading.

Modifié par rapchill, 29 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[Benny8484]

rapchill wrote...

chainsawguts**** wrote...

...Hopefully people learn from this and stop throwing their money around...

Everyone here - apart from maybe the more informed of us - bought the game on the pretense that it was a working product. To suggest people are "[...] throwing their money around" for buying this game is ignorant, and degrading.

Yeah, I hear you man.  I honestly think Bioware spent way to much resources putting multiplayer mode together that took away from the single-player campaign.  I enjoy MP, but if I had the choice between 2-3 missions & a bug free game with no MP, or the game in its current condition with MP I'd choose the former.

[JBauer24Tactics]

I bought the DLC and I am re-paid by not being able to play the game? Nice.

[DocDoomII]

Benny8484 wrote...

DocDoomII wrote...

I don't know if anyone played a bit with the character creator, but personally I discovered that my femShep wasn't imported just because her eye color was not directly available in ME2.
As I see it, when you import a face from ME1, ME2 keeps all of its features even if they are not directly available in the character creator.
This however leads to the bug where the game cannot create a facecode because such features do not have their alphanumeric value (which simply is the position of the slides in the character creator).

It is very well possible that these features are still present in ME3, but the game cannot extrapolate them because ME2 couldn't generate a facecode with their alphanumeric value.

I'm extremely curious on how they will be able to fix this without patching ME2 or using an external program that will simply read the face from our ME1 save and produce a ME3 facecode to paste in the character creator.

Excellent find.  This is exactly what I have been getting at.  I spent HOURS & HOURS trying to make my character look like my ME1 & ME2 character & its simply not possible with the current character creator in ME3.  To those who replied "The graphics are better so of course she will look different", no just no.  My character should not look WORSE in a AAA title that was released years after its previous title.

about the face looking worse. to me it just seem that some facial features had their geometry changed: if i import my actual face for example, the chin and jaw will result extremely 'pointy', but as you can see in my avatar (it is a bit small, i know) i pretty much have a face very close to ME1 standard face abd that is not pointy at all.

[your-friendly-noggin]

I've done my best to defend Bioware in this situation but this is now even taking it's toll on my patience. I'd like to thank Lion for at least having the common courtesy to try and give us an idea of what is happening even if his information is incredibly limited. However it feels more like when i ring a support line and I get an Indian callcenter, because whilst they are there to help like Lion they have no real power in the systems they are there to support.

All we really want is communication, even the extremely angry like Capac might not be so angry if they just kept us in the loop and showed that they cared about their customers. I'm starting to feel that this is just one of the many problems of EA controlled developers, like DA2's constantly reused assets, don't get me wrong i loved DA2's combat so it's obvious that Bioware knows how to make fun action but their quality control is slipping down a steady slope.

However it's not just quality control, it's the agendas, like pushing origin and not releasing future EA products from steam which is a far greater service than origin will ever be. Above all though the anti used games agenda is the worst, forcing every EA game to have a sizeable online component just so they can have online passes. Haven't they noticed that the first Mass Effect game with multiplayer is the one that had the largest issues? That doesn't seem like a coincidence to me.


*edit* 
http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1221824p1.html 
A friend just sent me this link and my first thought was "Really, Bioware? Really?". Many people such as myself don't want to even touch the multiplayer just in case of spoilers, now it's being waved around in front of our faces and yet they still haven't even said if the patch is complete and sent of for certification yet!  Priorities much?

Modifié par your-friendly-noggin, 29 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[HamishUK]

Another week and still no news! So for the UK that's nearly 21 days without a patch or a firm date. Amazing really when you consider there was a day 1 patch from Skyrim.

This really is beyond the joke now.

[mlouden03]

Benny8484 wrote...

rapchill wrote...

chainsawguts**** wrote...

...Hopefully people learn from this and stop throwing their money around...

Everyone here - apart from maybe the more informed of us - bought the game on the pretense that it was a working product. To suggest people are "[...] throwing their money around" for buying this game is ignorant, and degrading.

Yeah, I hear you man.  I honestly think Bioware spent way to much resources putting multiplayer mode together that took away from the single-player campaign.  I enjoy MP, but if I had the choice between 2-3 missions & a bug free game with no MP, or the game in its current condition with MP I'd choose the former.

I'd rather have no MP and an ME 1 level game, from what I've heard ME 3 is horrid compared to 1. I was kind of hoping it would be like Star Wars, where besides the whole Darth Vader "I'm your father" moment, #2 (5) was bad, but Return of the Jedi rocked. From what I've heard of everything, especially the generic ending, Mass 3 is a bomb. The ammo in 2/3 is attrocious and suspends all disbelief that in 2 years they recovered ALL of the weapons in the whole Galaxy and even went to the planet Jacob's dad crashed on, gave them new weapons, and left them stranded there XD. What is auto dialogue exactly, like only having one response no matter what choice you make in convo? If that abounds in 3 then honestly why do  they even let us make choices anymore if all they care about is halo fans running and gunning and stuff.

[mlouden03]

HamishUK wrote...

Another week and still no news! So for the UK that's nearly 21 days without a patch or a firm date. Amazing really when you consider there was a day 1 patch from Skyrim.

This really is beyond the joke now.

oh, there was a Day one US patch, god knows what it fixed though XD

[DeadPassenger]

mlouden03 wrote...

oh, there was a Day one US patch, god knows what it fixed though XD

Maybe it was the supposed "high res" textures.

[rapchill]

mlouden03 wrote...

HamishUK wrote...

Another week and still no news! So for the UK that's nearly 21 days without a patch or a firm date. Amazing really when you consider there was a day 1 patch from Skyrim.

This really is beyond the joke now.

oh, there was a Day one US patch, god knows what it fixed though XD

Fixed mostly MP stuff by the looks of things...

[ThomasDW]

I am sure that in a month or two we will get a patch ... by then most will have lost interest in playing the game, but lets looks at the bright side, they already have our money.

[The Invisible Commando]

The game patch has been in the certifying stage for a week. Really? All my valve games update every week. How much more certifying could there be? Either it works or it doesn't.

[DocDoomII]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

The game patch has been in the certifying stage for a week. Really? All my valve games update every week. How much more certifying could there be? Either it works or it doesn't.

it has to be certified even by microsoft and sony. it takes a while

[Loegi]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

The game patch has been in the certifying stage for a week. Really? All my valve games update every week. How much more certifying could there be? Either it works or it doesn't.

Bad news everyone!

They never said it has gone into certification, only that this particular issue was fixed. It could be that they are now fixing other issues before testing it/sending it into certification.
So basically, we have no idea how long it will take.

[The Invisible Commando]

DocDoomII wrote...

The Invisible Commando wrote...

The game patch has been in the certifying stage for a week. Really? All my valve games update every week. How much more certifying could there be? Either it works or it doesn't.

it has to be certified even by microsoft and sony. it takes a while

Still could have been certified by EA and updated the PC version.  Got to wait until everyone is happy? Thats unheard of, until now.