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#51
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You're a jerk. The customer service rep might have been a bit slow but you blew-up at them when they were trying to clarify the problem.


He already said that conversation took place over 25 minutes that's not slow it's glacial. I swear EA/Bioware could get caught mugging an old granny and some people here would say it was the grannies fault for flaunting her money.

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Massefeckt wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Actually, it seems to be a matter of you losing patience with a customer support rep when he's asking you to clarify your issue. Communication is a two-way street. Based on your transcript, your description of your problem can be vague and not specific enough fro support to give you a straight answer without getting more information. You getting frustrated and getting belligerent certainly doesn't help anyone to solve your issue because you're no longer providing useful, needed information.


Sure. But I was losing my patience because this short little conversation took place over the course of about 25 minutes. It's frustrating when you have to wait several minutes between responses, and the responses you finally get are simply copy/pasting of information that is not helpful.

I've worked in customer service myself for over six years now. This person from EA is pretty terrible at it.


your sure no better from the way you reacted.. <_<


Number 1 rule of CS - The Customer is always right, even when they're wrong.

This is their job, if you can't deal with irate customers do something else. I did some customer service during Uni to make some extra money and would get hell from some people but thats part of the job you should expect it. The majority of people contacting you are people who have paid money for your products and aren't getting what they paid for, they are going to be angry and frustrated. No one from Bioware or EA should be putting this guy down they should be apologising and promising to look into it for them.

Seems like they have the typical scripted responses that fit about one out of every ten calls, always terrible.


That still doesn't give anyone the right to be a dick.

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This is why I am glad I don't work in support.

Instead, I work with screaming children... wait. That isn't much different all. :(

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Massefeckt wrote...

Number 1 rule of CS - The Customer is always right, even when they're wrong.

This is their job, if you can't deal with irate customers do something else. I did some customer service during Uni to make some extra money and would get hell from some people but thats part of the job you should expect it. The majority of people contacting you are people who have paid money for your products and aren't getting what they paid for, they are going to be angry and frustrated. No one from Bioware or EA should be putting this guy down they should be apologising and promising to look into it for them.

Seems like they have the typical scripted responses that fit about one out of every ten calls, always terrible.


This entitled attitude is a barrier to effective communication. The customer is not "right" if they fail to explain their issue and become impatient. "Dealing with irate customers" involves not flipping out at customers and calmly trying to help. However, you cannot help at all if there's no communication. You can keep your cool all day, sure, but you simply won't be able to provide a solution if communication isn't happening. Listening to the customer repeat "I have a problem—fix it" can only go so far.

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Massefeckt wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Dichotomize wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Actually, it seems to be a matter of you losing patience with a customer support rep when he's asking you to clarify your issue. Communication is a two-way street. Based on your transcript, your description of your problem can be vague and not specific enough fro support to give you a straight answer without getting more information. You getting frustrated and getting belligerent certainly doesn't help anyone to solve your issue because you're no longer providing useful, needed information.


Sure. But I was losing my patience because this short little conversation took place over the course of about 25 minutes. It's frustrating when you have to wait several minutes between responses, and the responses you finally get are simply copy/pasting of information that is not helpful.

I've worked in customer service myself for over six years now. This person from EA is pretty terrible at it.


your sure no better from the way you reacted.. <_<


Number 1 rule of CS - The Customer is always right, even when they're wrong.

This is their job, if you can't deal with irate customers do something else. I did some customer service during Uni to make some extra money and would get hell from some people but thats part of the job you should expect it. The majority of people contacting you are people who have paid money for your products and aren't getting what they paid for, they are going to be angry and frustrated. No one from Bioware or EA should be putting this guy down they should be apologising and promising to look into it for them.

Seems like they have the typical scripted responses that fit about one out of every ten calls, always terrible.




The customer is not always right.  in fact they are usually ignorant jackasses.


But yes the person on the other end of the conversation probably had to follow a script,  stupid to get mad at them for doing their job.

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Ever hear the old phrase you catch more flies with sugar than vinegar?

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Alraiis wrote...

This entitled attitude is a barrier to effective communication. The customer is not "right" if they fail to explain their issue and become impatient. "Dealing with irate customers" involves not flipping out at customers and calmly trying to help. However, you cannot help at all if there's no communication. You can keep your cool all day, sure, but you simply won't be able to provide a solution if communication isn't happening. Listening to the customer repeat "I have a problem—fix it" can only go so far.


So at what point after calmly and clearly communicating your issue does it become CS's fault? I completely agree that you need to be calm and communicate your problem clearly and be patient with people, but a common problem with CS reps is that they're not knowledgable about what they are supposed to be giving advice about.

And at some point enough is enough because you have called CS specifically because you have a problem they are supposed to be able to help with.

Modifié par _PseudoHero, 06 mars 2012 - 10:39 .


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This is why I am glad I don't work in support.

Instead, I work with screaming children... wait. That isn't much different all. :(

You can tell screaming children it's nap time.

30-year-olds acting like screaming children, you just have to put up with.

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Sparatus wrote...

Ever hear the old phrase you catch more flies with sugar than vinegar?


Ever hear the old phrase you catch more flies with rotten putrefying flesh than sugar.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Actually, it seems to be a matter of you losing patience with a customer support rep when he's asking you to clarify your issue..


Because the issue wasn't clear enough yet? Protocol or no protocol. Where is the self-initiative of the employee.

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Well... Ive worked CS in one shape or another for a few years putting myself through university. And the level of entitlement is rather staggering. From women who believe they should get something free because they have mammeries (allways boggled me... I never got anything free at the supermarket by yanking my balls), to people who think they are entitled to the rest of my workday because they payd 1 euro for a mobile phone they couldnt turn on themselves.

When I worked CS most of the the errors were "error 40". Meaning that the error was sitting 40 centimeters from the screen or phone they were trying to fix.

Is it good to have patience with CS reps? Sure. Gets you further. Be polite, be precise, but dont take no for an answer. Because some CS reps do have quotas and if they can get you out of the way fast, then they fill that quota, and wipe off the problem on someone else. Politeness works both ways. If the client feels he is being stonewalled, ofcourse he(she) will be frustrated. By the time you get a CS rep on the horn you have perhaps waited an hour plus. At that time your patience is pretty thin as it its. Being yanked around, isnt going to make it better.

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You should always be a little extra patient with people who work in the service industry. Can you imagine how s***ty a customer service job is? It's pretty bad, and it's worse when people are calling you and upset with you over something you didn't do several times a day. So what if you have to ask them or tell them something two or three times, your shouldn't ruin your day or get upset over it. At least you don't have that person's job, and if you do then you understand how important it is when someone is asking for something like a person and less like a kid asking for something you owe them.

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Massefeckt wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Dichotomize wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Actually, it seems to be a matter of you losing patience with a customer support rep when he's asking you to clarify your issue. Communication is a two-way street. Based on your transcript, your description of your problem can be vague and not specific enough fro support to give you a straight answer without getting more information. You getting frustrated and getting belligerent certainly doesn't help anyone to solve your issue because you're no longer providing useful, needed information.


Sure. But I was losing my patience because this short little conversation took place over the course of about 25 minutes. It's frustrating when you have to wait several minutes between responses, and the responses you finally get are simply copy/pasting of information that is not helpful.

I've worked in customer service myself for over six years now. This person from EA is pretty terrible at it.


your sure no better from the way you reacted.. <_<


Number 1 rule of CS - The Customer is always right, even when they're wrong.

This is their job, if you can't deal with irate customers do something else. I did some customer service during Uni to make some extra money and would get hell from some people but thats part of the job you should expect it. The majority of people contacting you are people who have paid money for your products and aren't getting what they paid for, they are going to be angry and frustrated. No one from Bioware or EA should be putting this guy down they should be apologising and promising to look into it for them.

Seems like they have the typical scripted responses that fit about one out of every ten calls, always terrible.


That rule does not apply to all situations, I have customer service qualifications too. 

You are supposed to help the customer best you can, if cannot resolve their issue you pass it on to someone else who might be able to and failing that onto your manager or superior/supervisor/boss. The language and attitude of the customer can justify explaining that the customer calm down, cool their head and stop the abuse if wish to get assistance or will be passed on to the supervisor of which if you can't cool your head and continue throwing verbal abuse you risk having putting down the phone and told to ring back when in a more calm state of mind. It is not their job to be insulted and abused verbally. If you think that it is then your customer service during university was poorly managed. A company has to look after also the health and wellbeing with duty of care to their employee's.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 mars 2012 - 10:47 .


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Farbautisonn wrote...-Well... It seems you interrupted his coffee or something. Because you were basically stonewalled.


Most of the Customer Service reps have just a few select macros that they can say, the more advanced ones tend to use the Razer Naga, that's twelve whole macros on the side of their mouse.


LOL! I have to say that I've dealt with EA and MS customer service people, and like anything and anyone else, it's a pretty hit or miss business.

I once spent a week of back and forthing with MS reps about my 360, and they'd quote me the exact same things the last person gave me, when my question was pretty specific. *shrugs*

Then an EA guy gave me some discount voucher that didn't work, but I never bothered taking it further... I'd just gone through a marathon session with one of them anyway.

This is why I always hope I never run into a problem I can't solve myself.


oYOSSARIANo wrote...

I've worked for EACS, and the OP'er
was NOT rude imo. I've heard worse, much worse and still helped the
person out. I don't think adding emphasis to words by capitalising them
is inherently rude, and neither was his general tone. He became
frustrated by the CS reps lack of knowledge and the lack of a solution
to his problem, something that is entirely understandable and common.

You
have to remember that CS dept's are like mushrooms, they are kept in
the dark and fed manure. The game came out today, this is obviously an
account error @ EA's end, but the CS rep has no information about it or
how to fix it. Which leads to customer dissatisfaction, they want
answers and action, but the CS rep can't do anything until EA higher ups
provide them with the answers and what actions they should perform.

It's
telling that Bioware are now informing CS of this issue, when they
should have known when the game went gold (they probably did). It is
poor communication on BW/EA's part that has caused this problem, and the
lack of solutions available to CS when the game is being sold at
retail.

Neither the customer or the CS rep are to blame, EA and
Bioware are at fault. But it's easier for them to dismiss this
legitimate complaint because of a few capitalised words, then admit to
their poor communication and planning.


Perfectly reasonable there. Only you're knockin' on the reputation of those who can do no wrong, so, I suppose you're kind of a jerk in the eyes of some here.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 06 mars 2012 - 10:52 .


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Dichotomize wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Actually, it seems to be a matter of you losing patience with a customer support rep when he's asking you to clarify your issue. Communication is a two-way street. Based on your transcript, your description of your problem can be vague and not specific enough fro support to give you a straight answer without getting more information. You getting frustrated and getting belligerent certainly doesn't help anyone to solve your issue because you're no longer providing useful, needed information.


Sure. But I was losing my patience because this short little conversation took place over the course of about 25 minutes. It's frustrating when you have to wait several minutes between responses, and the responses you finally get are simply copy/pasting of information that is not helpful.

I've worked in customer service myself for over six years now. This person from EA is pretty terrible at it.


I've been working with customers alot longer than you and lemme tell ya, had someone acted like that over the phone to me I would have hung up on them. Granted my job grants me that freedom. Point is you acted like an ass.  Doesnt matter if you got the awnsers you expected or not. Claiming you work in customer service you should know better than most that a calm clear conversation gets more accomplished even if keeping calm is hard.

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Then why was it shown on the origin site as a preorder bonus for 360?

"Because it is not showing for the a12 it is for M55 Argus Rifle."

http://imgur.com/vewLA

It showed both.

The address is there too.

"Let me check it.

Okay. Don't worry I am giving you the code for the shotgun."


ok

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Alraiis wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Number 1 rule of CS - The Customer is always right, even when they're wrong.

This is their job, if you can't deal with irate customers do something else. I did some customer service during Uni to make some extra money and would get hell from some people but thats part of the job you should expect it. The majority of people contacting you are people who have paid money for your products and aren't getting what they paid for, they are going to be angry and frustrated. No one from Bioware or EA should be putting this guy down they should be apologising and promising to look into it for them.

Seems like they have the typical scripted responses that fit about one out of every ten calls, always terrible.


This entitled attitude is a barrier to effective communication. The customer is not "right" if they fail to explain their issue and become impatient. "Dealing with irate customers" involves not flipping out at customers and calmly trying to help. However, you cannot help at all if there's no communication. You can keep your cool all day, sure, but you simply won't be able to provide a solution if communication isn't happening. Listening to the customer repeat "I have a problem—fix it" can only go so far.



God I hate the constant "Entitled" stuff always put forward on this forum. He has paid money for a product that isn't working he is very much entitled, he's as entitled as it gets. This isn't a charity it's a business that is supposed to provide a service, they have failed in his case, they are at fault, they have taken his money and not given him the products he has paid for. He is entitled full stop.

It was a 25 minute conversation where the CS rep had shown he/she had no knowledge about the service they were providing and all he did was write in caps. Trust me thats doesn't even come close to being rude/a dick/arrogant or whatever else people here are calling him. Again I swear people would defend EA/Bioware if they stole candy from a baby then took out billboards to brag about it. "Bloody baby and his entitled attitude! Bioware/EA has every right to take your candy! You should be grateful they deemed you worthy to steal from!"

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Xenogias wrote...

Dichotomize wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Actually, it seems to be a matter of you losing patience with a customer support rep when he's asking you to clarify your issue. Communication is a two-way street. Based on your transcript, your description of your problem can be vague and not specific enough fro support to give you a straight answer without getting more information. You getting frustrated and getting belligerent certainly doesn't help anyone to solve your issue because you're no longer providing useful, needed information.


Sure. But I was losing my patience because this short little conversation took place over the course of about 25 minutes. It's frustrating when you have to wait several minutes between responses, and the responses you finally get are simply copy/pasting of information that is not helpful.

I've worked in customer service myself for over six years now. This person from EA is pretty terrible at it.


I've been working with customers alot longer than you and lemme tell ya, had someone acted like that over the phone to me I would have hung up on them. Granted my job grants me that freedom. Point is you acted like an ass.  Doesnt matter if you got the awnsers you expected or not. Claiming you work in customer service you should know better than most that a calm clear conversation gets more accomplished even if keeping calm is hard.


If you worked for me or a company I worked for I'd have you sacked, you obviously cannot do your job properly.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Dichotomize wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Actually, it seems to be a matter of you losing patience with a customer support rep when he's asking you to clarify your issue. Communication is a two-way street. Based on your transcript, your description of your problem can be vague and not specific enough fro support to give you a straight answer without getting more information. You getting frustrated and getting belligerent certainly doesn't help anyone to solve your issue because you're no longer providing useful, needed information.


Sure. But I was losing my patience because this short little conversation took place over the course of about 25 minutes. It's frustrating when you have to wait several minutes between responses, and the responses you finally get are simply copy/pasting of information that is not helpful.

I've worked in customer service myself for over six years now. This person from EA is pretty terrible at it.


your sure no better from the way you reacted.. <_<


Number 1 rule of CS - The Customer is always right, even when they're wrong.

This is their job, if you can't deal with irate customers do something else. I did some customer service during Uni to make some extra money and would get hell from some people but thats part of the job you should expect it. The majority of people contacting you are people who have paid money for your products and aren't getting what they paid for, they are going to be angry and frustrated. No one from Bioware or EA should be putting this guy down they should be apologising and promising to look into it for them.

Seems like they have the typical scripted responses that fit about one out of every ten calls, always terrible.


That rule does not apply to all situations, I have customer service qualifications too. 

You are supposed to help the customer best you can, if cannot resolve their issue you pass it on to someone else who might be able to and failing that onto your manager or superior/supervisor/boss. The language and attitude of the customer can justify explaining that the customer calm down, cool their head and stop the abuse if wish to get assistance or will be passed on to the supervisor of which if you can't cool your head and continue throwing verbal abuse you risk having putting down the phone and told to ring back when in a more calm state of mind. It is not their job to be insulted and abused verbally. If you think that it is then your customer service during university was poorly managed. A company has to look after also the health and wellbeing with duty of care to their employee's.


The guy wrote in caps after getting nowhere for 25 minutes it was hardly a verbal assault.

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All I see is a customer being extremely angry and not really capable of structured conversation with the required clarity.

If at all, I feel pity for the cs-rep. Cool down, be civil, be patient and the problem will get resolved. I have contacted the infamous EA cs multiple times and more or less everytime got a satisfying result, mostly more than just satisfying, meaning exactly what I wanted and sometimes more.

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Massefeckt wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Number 1 rule of CS - The Customer is always right, even when they're wrong.

This is their job, if you can't deal with irate customers do something else. I did some customer service during Uni to make some extra money and would get hell from some people but thats part of the job you should expect it. The majority of people contacting you are people who have paid money for your products and aren't getting what they paid for, they are going to be angry and frustrated. No one from Bioware or EA should be putting this guy down they should be apologising and promising to look into it for them.

Seems like they have the typical scripted responses that fit about one out of every ten calls, always terrible.


This entitled attitude is a barrier to effective communication. The customer is not "right" if they fail to explain their issue and become impatient. "Dealing with irate customers" involves not flipping out at customers and calmly trying to help. However, you cannot help at all if there's no communication. You can keep your cool all day, sure, but you simply won't be able to provide a solution if communication isn't happening. Listening to the customer repeat "I have a problem—fix it" can only go so far.



God I hate the constant "Entitled" stuff always put forward on this forum. He has paid money for a product that isn't working he is very much entitled, he's as entitled as it gets. This isn't a charity it's a business that is supposed to provide a service, they have failed in his case, they are at fault, they have taken his money and not given him the products he has paid for. He is entitled full stop.

It was a 25 minute conversation where the CS rep had shown he/she had no knowledge about the service they were providing and all he did was write in caps. Trust me thats doesn't even come close to being rude/a dick/arrogant or whatever else people here are calling him. Again I swear people would defend EA/Bioware if they stole candy from a baby then took out billboards to brag about it. "Bloody baby and his entitled attitude! Bioware/EA has every right to take your candy! You should be grateful they deemed you worthy to steal from!"


I definitely am not one to defend EA very often, if at all. However, this OP was being an ****. That is it. He didn't make his responses clear enough for the support rep to understand exactly what he meant and then just got upset about it and threw a fit like a little ****. Don't expect people to treat you well if you are gonna treat them like ****.

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1Nosphorus1 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...-Well... It seems you interrupted his coffee or something. Because you were basically stonewalled.


Most of the Customer Service reps have just a few select macros that they can say, the more advanced ones tend to use the Razer Naga, that's twelve whole macros on the side of their mouse.


LoL. My wife uses the Naga, great mouse.

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So, he could not find any code. I'm getting tired for today. I hope Jarret Lee at bioware would get back to me about my at12 code.

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You can tell screaming children it's nap time.

30-year-olds acting like screaming children, you just have to put up with.


I have to put up with the parents sometimes too. Can't win.

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Massefeckt wrote...

God I hate the constant "Entitled" stuff always put forward on this forum. He has paid money for a product that isn't working he is very much entitled, he's as entitled as it gets. This isn't a charity it's a business that is supposed to provide a service, they have failed in his case, they are at fault, they have taken his money and not given him the products he has paid for. He is entitled full stop.

It was a 25 minute conversation where the CS rep had shown he/she had no knowledge about the service they were providing and all he did was write in caps. Trust me thats doesn't even come close to being rude/a dick/arrogant or whatever else people here are calling him. Again I swear people would defend EA/Bioware if they stole candy from a baby then took out billboards to brag about it. "Bloody baby and his entitled attitude! Bioware/EA has every right to take your candy! You should be grateful they deemed you worthy to steal from!"


It's kind of cute how you keep comparing a guy screaming "OH MY GOD LET ME SPEAK TO YOUR SUPERVISOR" because he is unclear about his problem downloading a soundtrack on release day and the CS rep doesn't have an answer to give...
to everything from stealing candy from a baby and bragging about it, to robbing an old lady.
I'm sure Rasheen is twirling his mustache (her hair?) and cackling about how they didn't give a customer an answer. Right after they disabled his download link and funneled money out of his bank account. Because really, we all know Bioware and their employees and contractors take great pleasure in upsetting people.

Making comparisons like those is exactly why people say that people like you act entitled. You're entitled to the product you purchased and customer service with regards to it. Your purchase doesn't come with the right to be abusive to other people and then brag about it. Yes, it sucks that there are technical problems on release day. I'm pretty sure they are overwhelmed right now.

I'm also pretty sure Rasheen didn't press the "screw this guy over and ruin his entire day and game experience by not giving him some music right the hell now" button.