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[Mach]

Oh, Oh no! Here I am ready with credit card in hand.. And look! No Mass Effect 3 on steam?! What EVER shall I do?!

Boycott? No.. Too silly. I want to play the game.
Pirate? Nah! That's evil and wrong.
Rage at EA? No Wai! They don't care!

Wait! I got it! I have other games! I'll play those for a few weeks, or months.. And wait until ME3's numbers are in the crapper, and THEN buy it! All EA will see is craptastic first release numbers and heads will roll..and maaaaybe just MAAAYBE they'll see HOW FRACKING ANNOYING it is to have to deal with yet ANOTHER login, yet ANOTHER game content system, yet ANOTHER POS to install on my system and slow it down even MORE!

[john129pats]

Oh jesus. Just suck it up and use Origin. I seriously don't get why so many people **** about this.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Guys this has been common knowledge for months now. The issue is that part of Steams terms of use for companies is that they must allow DLC to be sold through Steam - EA is refusing to allow this, hence new EA games aren't on Steam even though all other companies have agreed to it.

[PsiFive]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Guys this has been common knowledge for months now. The issue is that part of Steams terms of use for companies is that they must allow DLC to be sold through Steam - EA is refusing to allow this, hence new EA games aren't on Steam even though all other companies have agreed to it.

Is that it? None of the ME/ME2 DLC was available on Steam, yet both the games were. That would suggest either a change on the part of Valve/Steam or on the part of EA, probably the latter. And I have to side with Steam here because it looks a bit weird that you can't buy the associated products for something in the same place you buy the main thing. Imagine buying a car and the dealer telling you he can't get you the mats and flaps, and in fact he can only sell you the base spec model.  More importantly Steam make buying easy and EA don't. I bought 5 games, including the first two MEs, and a heap of DLC for one of them on Steam with less effort than it took me to find Bring Down The Sky, never mind the ME2 DLC which required buying Bioware points first and then spending the Bioware points on what I wanted. Why not just let me pay in these funny dollar thingies that have become so popular in the last couple of hundred years? Like I can on Steam?

Oh, and I couldn't buy all the Bioware points I needed in a single transaction and I then had the same thing when it came to buying the DLC. My time is valuable to me and I'd prefer to spend my gaming time, y'know, gaming. Since Steam seem to understand this better than EA do I would have paid extra, say A$5-10 for the game and A$1-2.50 per DLC pack, to buy from there. Of course I'll buy ME3 because I'm hooked on the story now and I want to know how things end, but it's likely to be the first and last thing I buy with Origin because the buying process is less fun than a prostate exam.

[Carlos3lance]

Origin just keeps comin back with bs 'We're sorry but we could not confirm your debit card purchase, please contanct xx.xx for information". Something to do with orders from certain countries not being supported. That kinda crazyness is not an option...

[Rustman1980]

EA's reasoning is not entirely honest. The DLC issue isn't even a major hurdle. EA is just attempting to use the DLC reasoning to get the gamers on their side, though, frankly, the DLC problem is peanuts... for both sides. The major issue is the mandate that Origin be hardcoded into the game itself. Valve is not going to use their service... bandwidth, storage, and advertising resources... to indirectly promote a competitor's digital download service. The fact that origin is the only way to buy DLC is going to be what they use to get the fanbois frothing at the mouth, but its putting Origin on the Steamworks system at all that Valve has a problem with, and, frankly, its a completely valid reason.

[Rustman1980]

I am willing to bet hard cash that if EA dropped Origin from the game slated for Steamworks and instead had direct download from their website for DLC a la ME, ME2, DA, etc... Valve would accept the conditions in a heartbeat. Who gets the money for DLC has nothing to do with it; its how the DLC is being distributed.

[chizow]

Rustman1980 wrote...

EA's reasoning is not entirely honest. The DLC issue isn't even a major hurdle. EA is just attempting to use the DLC reasoning to get the gamers on their side, though, frankly, the DLC problem is peanuts... for both sides. The major issue is the mandate that Origin be hardcoded into the game itself. Valve is not going to use their service... bandwidth, storage, and advertising resources... to indirectly promote a competitor's digital download service. The fact that origin is the only way to buy DLC is going to be what they use to get the fanbois frothing at the mouth, but its putting Origin on the Steamworks system at all that Valve has a problem with, and, frankly, its a completely valid reason.

No EA has flat-out said they are using their vast and formidable content library to launch their service, and they are willing to take a hit to sales in the process.  Fall 2011 was the perfect time to do it too and I must say EA has executed marvelously:

BF3
SWTOR
ME3

All massive installments of successful franchises to help drive up user-base with a wide variety of gamers.  You can check their conference calls, they know what they are doing and they're doing a pretty good job of it imo. 

Once it became clear I wasn't going to be able to play a lot of my new, favorite franchises without Origin, I just accepted it.  It also helps EA allows you to activate many of your retail box EA games on Origin.  In cases with older keys, I just used their live chat system and had 3 older titles added to my acct as well (Crysis, Warhead, ME1). 

[Rustman1980]

chizow wrote...

Rustman1980 wrote...

EA's reasoning is not entirely honest. The DLC issue isn't even a major hurdle. EA is just attempting to use the DLC reasoning to get the gamers on their side, though, frankly, the DLC problem is peanuts... for both sides. The major issue is the mandate that Origin be hardcoded into the game itself. Valve is not going to use their service... bandwidth, storage, and advertising resources... to indirectly promote a competitor's digital download service. The fact that origin is the only way to buy DLC is going to be what they use to get the fanbois frothing at the mouth, but its putting Origin on the Steamworks system at all that Valve has a problem with, and, frankly, its a completely valid reason.

No EA has flat-out said they are using their vast and formidable content library to launch their service, and they are willing to take a hit to sales in the process.  Fall 2011 was the perfect time to do it too and I must say EA has executed marvelously:

BF3
SWTOR
ME3

All massive installments of successful franchises to help drive up user-base with a wide variety of gamers.  You can check their conference calls, they know what they are doing and they're doing a pretty good job of it imo. 

Once it became clear I wasn't going to be able to play a lot of my new, favorite franchises without Origin, I just accepted it.  It also helps EA allows you to activate many of your retail box EA games on Origin.  In cases with older keys, I just used their live chat system and had 3 older titles added to my acct as well (Crysis, Warhead, ME1). 

Yea, ok.  Their user numbers are padded because anyone with an EA account was automatically upgraded to an Origin account, including inactive users and those users who will never install Origin, such as myself.  Even with those numbers their numbers of users pales in comparison. 

Second, PC sales are a tiny fraction of total sales.  Their sales figures are almost exclusively X-Box and PS3 sales.  The published figures from X-boa and PS3 sales tell me that.  The fact that they won't publish their sales figures from Origin speaks volumes.

Personally, I am not installing Origins.  Not at this time.  If they beat out Steam... which I don't see happening... then maybe.  However, I am not wasting my time, money, and hard drive space on something that, at this point, I see dying a quiet death in a year.

[chizow]

Number of accounts upgraded to Origin is irrelevant, but it did help they allowed existing users to register retail box games to provide a Steam-esque service of never having to worry about lost keys or having disc in.

The real benefit is that EVERY single user who bought BF3, SWTOR, and ME3 for the PC in the last 6 months had to register and use an Origin account. No its not anywhere close to Steam (30+ million), but its a great start given the sales of these games is a few million each.

Origin isn't going away, unless you never plan to play another EA franchised title legitimately again, you're going to need an Origin account. Valve did this originally with HL2 to get Steam going, so it really shouldn't be any surprise where EA got the idea of tying their content to their digital distribution service.