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[Zkyire]

- Thread Necro?

- Talking about real-world religions?

[DevilBeast]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I'm not saying she personally is a fundmentalist. I said the fundamentals of Christianity probably won't change.

No one knows what she is, as it was never really expanded upon past her saying she believes in "God" in ME. I'm just speculating (haha, speculating).

Well, speculating is what they want us to do, right??

Anyway, no it´s not really elaborated further upon, which I actually find kinda sad, since I think it added another layer to her character.

[Deadpool9]

Baronesa wrote...

Deadpool... you may want to read on Rwanda and the aborted "kill homosexuals" law in Uganda.

There's a whole Wikipedia page devoted to the Uganda example.  Whoever designed the bill certainly didn't represent the great majority of Christians.  Notice: "Uganda's Catholic Archbishop of Kampala Cyprian Lwanga stated in December 2009 that the bill was unnecessary and 'at odds with the core values" of Christianity.' "  There are other examples.  So, Baronesa, when you attack Christians for killing others in the name of Jesus, are you making a false generality about all Christians?  I know that in the Middle East outstanding rules toward Christians definitely exist.  By the way, why are both of your examples regarding Africa?  Those are very curious examples...  Also, did you know that Rwanda and Uganda don't have an official religion?

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd like to invite to Montana, where our residents drown their babies in bathtubs in the name of Christ.

Also, Roger Waters would like to have a word with you.

Your examples are illegitimate.  You have a lot of nerve to assert that such people represent the great majority of Christians.  Such whackjobs will always exist, Christian and pagan alike.  If it were possible to compare the number of "Christians" committing crimes in the name of Jesus versus pagans committing crimes, there would be no comparison.  Pagans would far, far, far exceed the false Christians.

[barbara2012]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I agree that it woldn't be true to her character, and her being a Christian sits right at the top. I'd image there's not a lot of bisexual Christians. Just throwing it out there.

ok...

seriously...

WTF????


I don't mean any disrespect but seriously... WTF?

I live in a mainly catholic country... basically over 80% of the people I know real life in the Chilean LGBT community are christians, catholics to be precise, a few jews, a couple of muslims...

I... the statement you made  is just... *shakes head*

I guess he's probably from the US, where the chruches are...far less tolerant of such things.

I think there's just a very big closet here.  We are so much a nation of contrast and often hypocrisy.  Sometimes the closet door opens and an upstanding person of the clergy gets shoved out.

I was brought up in a family of ministers (no they weren't gay or bi), but my mother who would have liked a role in the church taught us to believe in the value of all.  Being female and not so girly (from a family of mostly brothers), I had to forge my way in areas where women did not go.  I have come to believe that even the idea of tolerance is abhorrent.  Tolerance instantly puts someone up above another-the superior person tolerates the more lowly.  I prefer the idea of just letting others be.  If I see someone different from me, I am not tolerating them.  I am letting that person just be him/herself.  I have had the benefit of friends of all walks of life and they are all just people.  I once read a poem and keep it close to heart.  Desiderata. 

In this light I do applaud Bioware for doing what no other game devs have done before-they attempted to be inclusive and to see that gamers are not just one type.  Life is harsh and we should exist to make it easier on each other.  I think that's why we're here.  I think in a small way BW did try to do that.  It's why we can all even talk about all this stuff.  I wish it could be more broadly applied.  I had a friend who got AIDS in the early days of AIDS.  He'd been sick and I stupidly said I hoped it wasn't AIDS-later he found out it was.  He removed himself from his life and went where he was accepted, into the gay community.  I loved him a lot and he ran away because of his family.  He died not long after.  How sad it is that we can be so quick to shut off people because of our own fears and bias.  We've been given a gift, some way somehow, and that gift is other people just as much as it is our own lives. 

So I do thank Bioware for showing people in a game that can get along without even thinking twice about it. 

 
3DandBeyond  agreed with yours in your points 100 %.. this a good example of a mature way to see and live the life you are free and let another ones be free too  and grow up like human being

[Legion of 1337]

Nyoka wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I think the only reason this was brought up is because a few guys want to play as femshep and have some girl-on-girl action with what we've already established as the most popular love interest.

Everyone is not and should not be bi.

On the contrary, subjective sexuality is an excellent game mechanic that should be used for greater degree of role playing and replayability.

In case you hadn't noticed, there aren't a heck of a lot of bisexuals around.

Making everyone bisexual also makes having charaters be your friend feel a bit strange, since they could actually be attracted to you the whole time. It would just be a weird feeling, knowign that all your friends are into you but just don't say anything because you don't swing their way. It woudl feel weird to me.

What is wrong with making people striaght hetero, seriously? It's like, now that LGBT is so widely accepted on the internet, everythign has to have a disproportionate number of gays and bis.

[DevilBeast]

Nyoka wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

.........?? Ooookaaayy...

I think he's picturing this exchange you're having pretty much like this (you being the taller one).

What?? That can´t be me..... My horns aren´t that long..

[Taboo]

Deadpool9 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd like to invite to Montana, where our residents drown their babies in bathtubs in the name of Christ.

Also, Roger Waters would like to have a word with you.

Your examples are illegitimate.  You have a lot of nerve to assert that such people represent the great majority of Christians.  Such whackjobs will always exist, Christian and pagan alike.  If it were possible to compare the number of "Christians" committing crimes in the name of Jesus versus pagans committing crimes, there would be no comparison.  Pagans would far, far, far exceed the false Christians.

The difference is that Roger Waters recognizes what the issue is. It's the people behind the religion commiting these acts, not the religion itself. I don't care who or what you worship, but you should NOT be dictating what people say or do.

What God Wants, God gets

God help us all.

[Legion of 1337]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I think the only reason this was brought up is because a few guys want to play as femshep and have some girl-on-girl action with what we've already established as the most popular love interest.

Everyone is not and should not be bi.

On the contrary, subjective sexuality is an excellent game mechanic that should be used for greater degree of role playing and replayability.

In case you hadn't noticed, there aren't a heck of a lot of bisexuals around.

Making everyone bisexual also makes having charaters be your friend feel a bit strange, since they could actually be attracted to you the whole time. It would just be a weird feeling, knowign that all your friends are into you but just don't say anything because you don't swing their way. It woudl feel weird to me.

What is wrong with making people striaght hetero, seriously? It's like, now that LGBT is so widely accepted on the internet, everythign has to have a disproportionate number of gays and bis.

OMG BIGOT

That's what they'll say, too

[AresKeith]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I think the only reason this was brought up is because a few guys want to play as femshep and have some girl-on-girl action with what we've already established as the most popular love interest.

Everyone is not and should not be bi.

On the contrary, subjective sexuality is an excellent game mechanic that should be used for greater degree of role playing and replayability.

In case you hadn't noticed, there aren't a heck of a lot of bisexuals around.

Making everyone bisexual also makes having charaters be your friend feel a bit strange, since they could actually be attracted to you the whole time. It would just be a weird feeling, knowign that all your friends are into you but just don't say anything because you don't swing their way. It woudl feel weird to me.

What is wrong with making people striaght hetero, seriously? It's like, now that LGBT is so widely accepted on the internet, everythign has to have a disproportionate number of gays and bis.

wow really

/facepalm

[Deadpool9]

DevilBeast wrote...
.........?? Ooookaaayy...
Well, I´m certaintly not having this discussion with someone who jumps to conclusions and offends people he/she doesn´t even know.

Funny you should say that.  I guess in your world Christians aren't "people" and that by attacking them on a video game website you certainly never intended to offend them.  Even your screenname is not offensive.

:innocent:

You're a typical hypocrite.

[Zkyire]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The difference is that Roger Waters recognizes what the issue is. It's the people behind the religion commiting these acts, not the religion itself. I don't care who or what you worship, but you should NOT be dictating what people say or do.

Religion's just jumping on the dogpile with regards to that.

Laws dictate what people say or do.

Socially-accepted norms dictate what people say or do.

Rules and regulations at work or at school dictate what people say or do.

The entirity of human civilisation is built upon one group telling other groups how they should act, or else punishment will ensue.

[Apple Lantern]

What's wrong with having straight characters? Although It would make more sense for Tali to be bisexual than Ashley (you should know why), but hey, she only likes penis. Nothing to do about it.

[shepskisaac]

Deadpool9 wrote...

There's a whole Wikipedia page devoted to the Uganda example.  Whoever designed the bill certainly didn't represent the great majority of Christians.  Notice: "Uganda's Catholic Archbishop of Kampala Cyprian Lwanga stated in December 2009 that the bill was unnecessary and 'at odds with the core values" of Christianity.' "  There are other examples.  So, Baronesa, when you attack Christians for killing others in the name of Jesus, are you making a false generality about all Christians?  I know that in the Middle East outstanding rules toward Christians definitely exist.  By the way, why are both of your examples regarding Africa?  Those are very curious examples...  Also, did you know that Rwanda and Uganda don't have an official religion?

And when UN proposed a resolution to call fo decriminilization of homosexuality, Vatican said "nope". In the name of religion. For Catholic Church that unfortunately represents over half of Christians, religion is more important then lives of people who did nothing wrong to anyone.

The good news is that church hierarchy ain't representative of majority of believers.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 12 août 2012 - 04:59 .

[MACharlie1]

This is how it should have been - albeit smaller.

Have a character exclusively hetero. Exclusively ******. A character at say 2 would be easier for heterosexuals and vice versa. Nobody will pay attention to this post so I'll just say whatever comes into my head. Butts. Superman. Battery.

Seagulls

Washing machine.

Modifié par MACharlie1, 12 août 2012 - 05:01 .

[clennon8]

Look, the reason to make romanceable characters bi is simply a matter of economy. Is it "realistic" that several people you hang out with would be bi? Probably not, but who cares? If it bothers you, you need to examine your beliefs and prejudices. Because you're almost certainly not upset over it being "unrealistic."

[DevilBeast]

Deadpool9 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
.........?? Ooookaaayy...
Well, I´m certaintly not having this discussion with someone who jumps to conclusions and offends people he/she doesn´t even know.

Funny you should say that.  I guess in your world Christians aren't "people" and that by attacking them on a video game website you certainly never intended to offend them.  Even your screenname is not offensive.

:innocent:

You're a typical hypocrite.

(I´m probably going to hate myself for involving myself in this)
And how exactly did I attack Christians if I may ask?? I only stated that I doubt Christians would be in the future like some of them are today, by using the example of how Christians in the past used to burn people on the stake, but now they don´t.

BTW: You managed to offend people who aren´t Christians in your comment, and the fact that you call me a hypocrite only makes it worse.
Hypocrite is being hypocritical, eh??

Edit: And now you are jumping to conclusions again; many of my friends are Christian, so why shouldn´t I view Christians as people??

Modifié par DevilBeast, 12 août 2012 - 05:06 .

[Legion of 1337]

AresKeith wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I think the only reason this was brought up is because a few guys want to play as femshep and have some girl-on-girl action with what we've already established as the most popular love interest.

Everyone is not and should not be bi.

On the contrary, subjective sexuality is an excellent game mechanic that should be used for greater degree of role playing and replayability.

In case you hadn't noticed, there aren't a heck of a lot of bisexuals around.

Making everyone bisexual also makes having charaters be your friend feel a bit strange, since they could actually be attracted to you the whole time. It would just be a weird feeling, knowign that all your friends are into you but just don't say anything because you don't swing their way. It woudl feel weird to me.

What is wrong with making people striaght hetero, seriously? It's like, now that LGBT is so widely accepted on the internet, everythign has to have a disproportionate number of gays and bis.

wow really

/facepalm

Let me use this analogy:

It would be like making every character in a game a black guy. Or asian. Or white. Whichever you want.

Now, since they're all ultimately people, it shouldn't matter if they're all one ethinicity, right? But everyone isn't of the same ethnicity, so you don't do that.

So yeah, you could make everyone bi. But everyone isn't bi. In fact, most people aren't. So it makes no sense to make everyone bi.

However, no matter what I say, people are going to call me a bigot so I'm just going to leave.

Modifié par Legion of 1337, 12 août 2012 - 05:07 .

[D24O]

Lol it took 5 months for this thread to take off.

[shepskisaac]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Let me use this analogy:

It would be like making every character in a game a black guy. Or asian. Or white. Whichever you want.

Now, since they're all ultimately people, it shouldn't matter if they're all one ethinicity, right? But everyone isn't of the same ethnicity, so you don't do that.

So yeah, you could make everyone bi. But everyone isn't bi. In fact, most people aren't. So it makes no sense to make everyone bi.

But it may just so happen that everyone on board a ship is bi. Smalll chance, but not impossible. Ohh, BTW. Why don't I see you complaining that LIs don't give a crap about Shep's moral actions? How's that realistic? Shep beats women for no reason yet Ashley is totally into him?

[Deadpool9]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The difference is that Roger Waters recognizes what the issue is. It's the people behind the religion commiting these acts, not the religion itself. I don't care who or what you worship, but you should NOT be dictating what people say or do.

What God Wants, God gets

God help us all.

Roger Waters, as in the Pink Floyd musician?  Yes, he's a very credible authority to cite.

Your arguments are rather vague and confusing, but I'll take a crack at them, anyway.

1. People behind the religion...  The vast overwhelming majority of Christians "behind the religion" do no physical harm to others.  Why are we even debating this?

2. Not the religion itself...  Thanks for recognizing that the Christian principles outlined in the Bible do not advocate murder of others.

3. NOT be dictating what people say or do...  Are you being specific about America?  I didn't realize that we were a theocracy and that people have to obey specifically Christian laws.  I also didn't realize Christians were out in force walking around telling people randomly on the street what not to say or do.  I think the greatest "Christian" of all-time, Obama, would like to have a word with you.

4. What God wants God gets...  True.  Then again, which "God" are you referring to?  Many people from many religions call on their concept of God, and in a foxhole, so do many pagans.

5. God help us all...  (See above.)

[BSpud]

Non-ironic use of the term "pagan" in the 21st Century is pretty lol.