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[Icinix]

Game isn't released here yet - so can't post in the spoilers section - but this is the best review I've read for Mass Effect 3, honest and fair - some spoilers obviously.

http://www.pcpowerpl...-mass-effect-3/

Also - shameless plug because they're my favourite gaming publication.

And also because I don't start topics much and thought it might be good to branch out.

[SyyRaaaN]

Icinix wrote...

Game isn't released here yet - so can't post in the spoilers section - but this is the best review I've read for Mass Effect 3, honest and fair - some spoilers obviously.

http://www.pcpowerpl...-mass-effect-3/

Also - shameless plug because they're my favourite gaming publication.

And also because I don't start topics much and thought it might be good to branch out.

Wow, very good review. Speaks the truth.

[gabe2gg]

great reivew, one of the few balanced reviews I've read all day.

[davidshooter]

Yeah I liked it too, it covered a lot of things many people who have been playing since the beginning are saying which has been absent from almost all the big name reviews I've read.

ME3 is a very good cinematic action adventure shooter. But many people who are buying the game are expecting, or at least hoping, for something quite different - that needs to be factored into any thorough review.

If the next Gears of War has an incredible story with deep characters, lots of player input, dialogue choices and an inventory system a lot of it's core fans would freak out no matter how great the final product was.

I sometimes think Bioware's biggest obstacle is themselves and for every new fan they win over (with very good games IMHO) they lose one they already had. I think that is the biggest reason this (very good) IP hasn't grown into the kind of numbers that a game like Skyrim can pull in.

Anyway, thanks for posting

Modifié par davidshooter, 07 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Best review I've read, actually. Kind of vague on its criticisms, but I agree with its message, especially about ME3 being more shooter than RPG.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Also, davidshooter, you're absolutely right about Bioware.

[Elegana]

Probably the best review out there.

[LilyasAvalon]

Hey, look! An honest review!

[Lucy Glitter]

Wow, an 8. Most reviewers said the same things but would turn around and give it a 9.5

Very intruiging.

[Icinix]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Wow, an 8. Most reviewers said the same things but would turn around and give it a 9.5

Very intruiging.

Thats what I was thinking too - I think the game is good and in some places great - but getting near or perfect scores  while having commentary about things that bugged people enough to bring them up as an issue doesn't make much sense to me.

[gabe2gg]

Icinix wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Wow, an 8. Most reviewers said the same things but would turn around and give it a 9.5

Very intruiging.

Thats what I was thinking too - I think the game is good and in some places great - but getting near or perfect scores  while having commentary about things that bugged people enough to bring them up as an issue doesn't make much sense to me.

this,  I've been trying to say this all along

[MarauderESP]

wow a nice review, its good to see how someone take its time to do it, and sounds impartial too, its not something like "THE BEST GAME EVA 10.000/10.000"

[elarem]

Thanks for posting this. A review that speaks to my concerns and answers them. Also it's nice to see a femShep in the article.

[Icinix]

gabe2gg wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Wow, an 8. Most reviewers said the same things but would turn around and give it a 9.5

Very intruiging.

Thats what I was thinking too - I think the game is good and in some places great - but getting near or perfect scores  while having commentary about things that bugged people enough to bring them up as an issue doesn't make much sense to me.

this,  I've been trying to say this all along

Its one of the many reasons why I still buy print publications - sure you might miss out on a few reviews / previews that are on the internet - but you get a better brand (or indeed any brand) of journalism and reporting.

There is so much "OMG this is awesome" or "OMG this sucks" in reviews these days that they barely elevate themselves above blogs by fans, not to mention the increasing lack of incorrect information given. The people reviewing these things, especially things we spend lots of money on, should be giving us all the information on what works and what doesn't and have a blooody knowledge of the game and its history.

Modifié par Icinix, 07 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[AkiKishi]

It's nice to see not everyone jumped on the bandwagon.

[TheRealJayDee]

Elegana wrote...

Probably the best review out there.

Have to agree with that, best of all I read. Thanks for posting this, Icinix!

What was once a ‘70s sci-fi homage now thinks it’s all grown up. To an extent, it has, but only to a point where it thinks Gears of War’s “Mad World” commercial is the height of maturity.

  

This is a spectacular galactic war, and Shepard will lose a lot to end it, but the series has also lost something in order to depict it.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 07 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[Yuqi]

Gotta love P.CPowerPlay.

Modifié par Yuqi, 07 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[DaJe]

davidshooter wrote...

Yeah I liked it too, it covered a lot of things many people who have been playing since the beginning are saying which has been absent from almost all the big name reviews I've read.

ME3 is a very good cinematic action adventure shooter. But many people who are buying the game are expecting, or at least hoping, for something quite different - that needs to be factored into any thorough review.

If the next Gears of War has an incredible story with deep characters, lots of player input, dialogue choices and an inventory system a lot of it's core fans would freak out no matter how great the final product was.

I sometimes think Bioware's biggest obstacle is themselves and for every new fan they win over (with very good games IMHO) they lose one they already had. I think that is the biggest reason this (very good) IP hasn't grown into the kind of numbers that a game like Skyrim can pull in.

Anyway, thanks for posting

Indeed. Instead of improvements Bioware often tries completely different directions. This is ok with individual IPs but with one franchise it is natural to expect improved features and a continuation rather than removing one thing and adding something different.
This becomes really problematic when you take the subtle roleplaying out of a game (auto dialog) in a franchise where it seemed like you are building YOUR character that shapes the story, while making many decisions trivial.

Not everyone needs to like Bethesda games, but they atleast stick to their formular and improve it with every game, which keeps old fans and draws in new ones. The success speaks for it self.

ME could be so much bigger if it were one franchise and not 3.

[mattahraw]

It's the negating decisions that gets me. I love the series and the game, and yet why give me a choice like the rachni queen, or anderson/udina, or the collector base, when you're going to completely ignore my choice?

It literally sucks all the tension out of all my future choices because i realise they actually count for very little.

I really love the franchise, I just wish they actually stuck with the plan for carried over decisions to mean something.

Besides which, isn't choice like THE defining feature of all features that the whole series was based on? Yet to see a long term decision actually have a payoff beyond 1 or 2 lines of dialog.

Modifié par mattahraw, 07 mars 2012 - 10:45 .

[AkiKishi]

DaJe wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

Yeah I liked it too, it covered a lot of things many people who have been playing since the beginning are saying which has been absent from almost all the big name reviews I've read.

ME3 is a very good cinematic action adventure shooter. But many people who are buying the game are expecting, or at least hoping, for something quite different - that needs to be factored into any thorough review.

If the next Gears of War has an incredible story with deep characters, lots of player input, dialogue choices and an inventory system a lot of it's core fans would freak out no matter how great the final product was.

I sometimes think Bioware's biggest obstacle is themselves and for every new fan they win over (with very good games IMHO) they lose one they already had. I think that is the biggest reason this (very good) IP hasn't grown into the kind of numbers that a game like Skyrim can pull in.

Anyway, thanks for posting

Indeed. Instead of improvements Bioware often tries completely different directions. This is ok with individual IPs but with one franchise it is natural to expect improved features and a continuation rather than removing one thing and adding something different.
This becomes really problematic when you take the subtle roleplaying out of a game (auto dialog) in a franchise where it seemed like you are building YOUR character that shapes the story, while making many decisions trivial.

Not everyone needs to like Bethesda games, but they atleast stick to their formular and improve it with every game, which keeps old fans and draws in new ones. The success speaks for it self.

ME could be so much bigger if it were one franchise and not 3.

The problem is they tie the game to a particular setting , which makes it hard to franchise. If you take FF , the games have common elements but they don't often share world settings and characters (exception being the -2 sequels).
This makes it very easy to accept change since it's always been this way. It also means they have much more of a free hand in design because they are not bound to a specific world lore or time line.

Writing a series invariably leads to writing yourself into a corner as we can see with ToB and now ME3.

A lot of the blame I place on the books which overode the choices made in the games and led to retcons.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 07 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[eshrafel]

A review with actual criticisms in? Good gracious.

Approved.

[Whereto]

I only used to Get PCPP cause of the reviews as I always found them informative and probably the best out(also the tech stuff, that was always good)

edit* id also like to point out Daniel Hindes is the best reviewer out:wizard:

Modifié par Whereto, 07 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[DaJe]

The review looks like it was actually written by someone who cares about the series.

[Eain]

I've officially found my new favourite reviewer. This is the most honest criticism Bioware will ever get.

[Grand Wazoo]

Best review I've seen so far, I absolutely loved how the reviewer talks about the ending

Modifié par Grand Wazoo, 07 mars 2012 - 11:11 .