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[AlexXIV]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Extremists suck... 0 and 10 should be non-selectable scores.

Actually 10 is more valid than 0 or 1. Because Bioware usually aims at 8/9. That's why they can screw up so easily with their troll votes. I mean with a 10 you can give a +1 or +2 to the expected result. With a 0 you give a -8 or -9. That's why they do it. One troll easily outvotes like 3 'fanboys'. With this practice it is almost impossible to give a fair vote if you actually like the game.

[someguy1231]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Extremists suck... 0 and 10 should be non-selectable scores.

Then all of them would just pick 1s and 9s. It's the same fallacy as those who claim that since no game is perfect then no game deserves a perfect score. If that was the case, then "9 would be the new 10", so to speak.

Modifié par someguy1231, 07 mars 2012 - 08:57 .

[Xarathox]

AlexXIV wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Xarathox wrote...
I could insult you too, but I won't. I'm above such petty notions.

Also, 220 hours is what I've racked up because of the radiant quests. Because they never run out, kinda like daily quests in MMOs without the wait.

You missed that boat in your post about not enough facepalms. You just get what you ask for from me, be polite and make an actual point instead of a troll comment next time and we can skip the insults.
 
Well if you think MMORPGs are the pinnacle of RPGs/video games then you have a point. I'd go with quality over quantity at any time of the day though.

I don't think MMOs are the pinnacle of gaming. Far from it, in fact, since the basic design hasn't really changed in well over a decade. But there are some things that could transfer over into single player games to continue playability. Take into account the active mod community surrounding Bethesda, their games have lived well past their shelf life.

Skyrim is that perfect blend right now. A single player game with never ending quests/events and a community that will more than likely (based on track record) continue to add new things to the game over the years.

But this is getting way off track.

Well I play RPGs for the story mostly, not quests or achievements. So they couldn't motivate me to play in the long run unless they expand on the story.

That's where the modding community for Bethesda comes in. Players can add new quests/story archs/etc for other fans. It can be hit or miss admittedly, but there are always some fans who've made real gems in the previous games.

Bioware used to support modders for the same reasons back in the day with BG and NWN, but seemed to have abbandoned it.

[Farbautisonn]

someguy1231 wrote...
Then all of them would just pick 1s and 9s. It's the same fallacy as those who claim that since no game is perfect then no game deserves a perfect score. If that was the case, then "9 would be the new 10", so to speak.

-You do realize that your own argument is a fallacy too... right? 

[AlexXIV]

Xarathox wrote...

That's where the modding community for Bethesda comes in. Players can add new quests/story archs/etc for other fans. It can be hit or miss admittedly, but there are always some fans who've made real gems in the previous games.

Bioware used to support modders for the same reasons back in the day with BG and NWN, but seemed to have abbandoned it.

Well yes, that EA/Bioware is giving modders the middle finger is probably a mistake. However I can't say that I'd know any mod that was really as good story wise as the main game. I mean some mods are 'not bad'. Imo anyway. But the fact that modders actually improve the game in general is something Bioware is missing out with their anti-mod policy.

[DaJe]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

DAII all over again

And DA2 was such a wonderfull game right....

[DaJe]

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Extremists suck... 0 and 10 should be non-selectable scores.

Actually 10 is more valid than 0 or 1. Because Bioware usually aims at 8/9. That's why they can screw up so easily with their troll votes. I mean with a 10 you can give a +1 or +2 to the expected result. With a 0 you give a -8 or -9. That's why they do it. One troll easily outvotes like 3 'fanboys'. With this practice it is almost impossible to give a fair vote if you actually like the game.

That applies to every game. Check out the scores for ME2 or The Witcher 2, or Dragon Age: Origins. The user scores there are almost identical to the "professional" scores. Even TW2 got slammed by haters the first day.

It takes some time for a balanced picture. I predict ME3 will end up at arround 7-8.

DA2 still has a horrible score, which might not be completely objective but it is a valid indicator nevertheless of what a overall disappointment that was.

Edit: Just checked. DA Origins user score is also arround 10 points below official score. Still nothing compared to the DA2 difference.

Modifié par DaJe, 07 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[MouseNo4]

I have just saved Jack (not that she would admit that) so far and i am utterly amazed when even the slightest little detail like David or Septimus turns up. I am so far really amazed at this game. It is really awesome.

But on the negative side... i am savouring all the good stuff as much as i can, as i know the sh---y ending will eventually come.

[AlexXIV]

DaJe wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Extremists suck... 0 and 10 should be non-selectable scores.

Actually 10 is more valid than 0 or 1. Because Bioware usually aims at 8/9. That's why they can screw up so easily with their troll votes. I mean with a 10 you can give a +1 or +2 to the expected result. With a 0 you give a -8 or -9. That's why they do it. One troll easily outvotes like 3 'fanboys'. With this practice it is almost impossible to give a fair vote if you actually like the game.

That applies to every game. Check out the scores for ME2 or The Witcher 2, or Dragon Age: Origins. The user scores there are almost identical to the "professional" scores. Even TW2 got slammed by haters the first day.

It takes some time for a balanced picture. I predict ME3 will end up at arround 7-8.

DA2 still has a horrible score, which might not be completely objective but it is a valid indicator nevertheless of what a overall disappointment that was.

Edit: Just checked. DA Origins user score is also arround 10 points below official score. Still nothing compared to the DA2 difference.

Yeah just by logic, if 7 counts as 'average' (which is nowadays does), how can people give a 0? From 'average' 7 three up is 10, which is the highest score. So the lowest should by logic be 4. Of course then it would be silly to have a x/10 rating if you cannot give the lowest 3 ratings. Probably they should think about using a 5 star rating. With 1 star saying bad, 2 stars disappointing, 3 stars average, 4 stars good and 5 stars excellent/brilliant or whatever. Much less exploitable for user ratings.

[BuffPhantoms]

DaJe wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

DAII all over again

And DA2 was such a wonderfull game right....

Da2 was bad, ME3 is actually pretty good. apart from our own opinions; 77% vs 94% professional review average reflect this too.

/v/ troll bombers were doing it because of dlc this time.

Using MC user review gets you laughed at, since its a troll haven.

Modifié par BuffPhantoms, 07 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[AkiKishi]

The PLC wrote...

Do people even care about the user score on Metacritic? It's useless.

It's a good indication of company standing as well as game quality. This is why publishers/devs pay attention.

You look through a lot of the threads about ME3 and people are taking it because it's ME3 , it's the final part of something they have been waiting for, for 5 years. Once ME3 is done all bets are off. A bad impression from ME3 - lower sales on whatever comes next.

A wide gap between user and critic scores also reinforces the (true) belief that critics can't be trusted and are on the side of the large publishers and not the consumer.

[Mizar_Panzar]

Its 4.8 already?

When I checked yesterday it was 3.1. You already missed the craziest part.

[AkiKishi]

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

Its 4.8 already?

When I checked yesterday it was 3.1. You already missed the craziest part.

2.1 but that was early. It's not as bad as DA2 so it should balance out at 7 ish once people calm down.

[AkiKishi]

DaJe wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Extremists suck... 0 and 10 should be non-selectable scores.

Actually 10 is more valid than 0 or 1. Because Bioware usually aims at 8/9. That's why they can screw up so easily with their troll votes. I mean with a 10 you can give a +1 or +2 to the expected result. With a 0 you give a -8 or -9. That's why they do it. One troll easily outvotes like 3 'fanboys'. With this practice it is almost impossible to give a fair vote if you actually like the game.

That applies to every game. Check out the scores for ME2 or The Witcher 2, or Dragon Age: Origins. The user scores there are almost identical to the "professional" scores. Even TW2 got slammed by haters the first day.

It takes some time for a balanced picture. I predict ME3 will end up at arround 7-8.

DA2 still has a horrible score, which might not be completely objective but it is a valid indicator nevertheless of what a overall disappointment that was.

Edit: Just checked. DA Origins user score is also arround 10 points below official score. Still nothing compared to the DA2 difference.

Users have different criteria. Indie type games tend to come off better with user scores than critic scores much of the time.

Companies in good standing with the gaming "populace" get good scores. Thoese that are not, do not.

DA:O was a game I loved to bits, but it did have it's flaws. I'd say it and ME3 balance each other out. ME3 gains in gampeplay and loses in roleplaying/story. DA:O loses in gameplay and certain level design but gains in roleplaying and story and for me they both end up in the 80-85 range.

[Hecuter]

Metacritic should implement a better user review score system.

[Kalec Stromhir]

LvFR3AKSHOW wrote...

i have to agree i cant even play the story it laggs me off the game. the sound cuts in and out and it freezes ALLOT

Then you need a new system. Either your pgu is too low, you have the worng HDD you use. Game runs smooth, very steady high fps. I enjoy the story and combat. The people who review at meta are all morons who did 0 rating. I bet 90% never even played.

Eyefinity (5256x1050) Ultra Settings HD 6950 Crossfire
www.youtube.com/watch

[Rockworm503]

AlexXIV wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Xarathox wrote...
I could insult you too, but I won't. I'm above such petty notions.

Also, 220 hours is what I've racked up because of the radiant quests. Because they never run out, kinda like daily quests in MMOs without the wait.

You missed that boat in your post about not enough facepalms. You just get what you ask for from me, be polite and make an actual point instead of a troll comment next time and we can skip the insults.
 
Well if you think MMORPGs are the pinnacle of RPGs/video games then you have a point. I'd go with quality over quantity at any time of the day though.

I don't think MMOs are the pinnacle of gaming. Far from it, in fact, since the basic design hasn't really changed in well over a decade. But there are some things that could transfer over into single player games to continue playability. Take into account the active mod community surrounding Bethesda, their games have lived well past their shelf life.

Skyrim is that perfect blend right now. A single player game with never ending quests/events and a community that will more than likely (based on track record) continue to add new things to the game over the years.

But this is getting way off track.

Well I play RPGs for the story mostly, not quests or achievements. So they couldn't motivate me to play in the long run unless they expand on the story.

Its obvious we cant convince you on the awesomeness that is Skyrim.
Thats derailing this thread anyway.
I hate MMOs so he's not helping his argument either.
Needless to say if it was just needles wandering then I wouldn't be playing Skyrim either.

[AkiKishi]

If you play RPGs for the story you should play Final Fantasy and other JRPG's. Those are all about the story and the characters.It's like the opposite of Skyrim/Fallout (which are both great in their own way).

Modifié par BobSmith101, 07 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[Rockworm503]

Well I got a chance to play a good portion of the game.
Now I wish I bought it.
This is epic.
I got to play the tuchanka stuff.
WOW no spoilers but that bit at the end....... Know what I don't care about first day DLC Bioware deserves this.

[United_Strafes]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

DAII all over again

Love people that haven't played yet forming opinions. I've been playing Mass Effect for years and this is everything I hoped for and more, of course I like to enjoy the game though and not pick it apart every chance I get, anyway hf being wrong I hope you believe the hype and think it's bad I'd love for a player such as you to miss out.

[Rockworm503]

BobSmith101 wrote...

If you play RPGs for the story you should play Final Fantasy and other JRPG's. Those are all about the story and the characters.It's like the opposite of Skyrim/Fallout (which are both great in their own way).

NO...
I also like playing my games.
NO....
I also like the story when it makes sense.

[AkiKishi]

Rockworm503 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

If you play RPGs for the story you should play Final Fantasy and other JRPG's. Those are all about the story and the characters.It's like the opposite of Skyrim/Fallout (which are both great in their own way).

NO...
I also like playing my games.
NO....
I also like the story when it makes sense.

What do you mean by that ? Gameplay varies a lot. Like Star Ocean is almost 100% hands on skill based combat (modified by stats)

They do make sense, not quite a simple as a CRPG plot maybe, but they make sense (with the odd exeption)

[Lotion Soronarr]

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Extremists suck... 0 and 10 should be non-selectable scores.

Actually 10 is more valid than 0 or 1. Because Bioware usually aims at 8/9. That's why they can screw up so easily with their troll votes. I mean with a 10 you can give a +1 or +2 to the expected result. With a 0 you give a -8 or -9. That's why they do it. One troll easily outvotes like 3 'fanboys'. With this practice it is almost impossible to give a fair vote if you actually like the game.

True, but what they aim for is not really relevant.

Then all of them would just pick 1s and 9s. It's the same fallacy as
those who claim that since no game is perfect then no game deserves a
perfect score. If that was the case, then "9 would be the new 10", so to
speak.

It would still look better.

Frankly, I advocate non-number based rating.
Vote for average, below average, above average, great ,etc...

[Lotion Soronarr]

BobSmith101 wrote...
What do you mean by that ? Gameplay varies a lot. Like Star Ocean is almost 100% hands on skill based combat (modified by stats)

They do make sense, not quite a simple as a CRPG plot maybe, but they make sense (with the odd exeption)

JRPG's making sense IS an exception.
As much as I like them, their stories are so out there it ain't even funny.

[Rockworm503]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

If you play RPGs for the story you should play Final Fantasy and other JRPG's. Those are all about the story and the characters.It's like the opposite of Skyrim/Fallout (which are both great in their own way).

NO...
I also like playing my games.
NO....
I also like the story when it makes sense.

What do you mean by that ? Gameplay varies a lot. Like Star Ocean is almost 100% hands on skill based combat (modified by stats)

They do make sense, not quite a simple as a CRPG plot maybe, but they make sense (with the odd exeption)

Well they sure as hell don't make sense to me.
And any game that forces me to pick actions from a list.... then wait to do it again turns me off completely.
I have a friend who LOVES Final Fantasy.
Got me to try each one in the series.
He lends me 13 and there's this one cutscene and I'm sitting here scratching my head wondering wtf is going on?  then it goes back to the game and I'm pressing X a bunch of times to attack and then I die.
I have to watch the cutscene again and I was done.
I took the game back to him and said "just do us both a favor and don't bother bringing these games to me anymore."