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[Draythe]

AlexXIV wrote...

A fair criticism is when an average game is rated with an average score. Easy as that. No, free speech should not be supported in any situation, and it is not if you look at it. You can't say what you want, nowhere in the world. And that's a good thing in many cases. Just because you are smarter or more eloquent you don't have the right to spread lies and harm people's reputation. Or ruin them for that matter. If your colleague is spreading rumors about you that you are lazy and a thief and liar etc. to get your boss to fire you, do you support this case of free speech? If you do then I really don't want to know what your life looks like. You cannot tolerate everything. Not ever.

If someone is spreading lies and slandering someone, surely they will be called out on it? The person being slandered isnt just going to sit there and take it I would hope. If you aren't a liar or a thief you should have proof of that, shouldn't you? You should be able to make your colleague look like a liar and an idiot themselves with minimal effort. You CAN tolerate everything. Just because you are free to speak your mind doesn't mean there aren't consequences for abusing that privlege.

Modifié par Draythe, 07 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[Abraham_uk]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Let's see.3.4 user score on the PS3
              4.9 user score on the XBOX360
              2.7 user score on the PC


There are hundreds of votes. So the only logical conclusion was that the game wasn't very good.

How many games have you know have had poor user scores in the first week that later transformed into positive overall scores? I don't think that's ever happened in the history of metacritic

The logical conclusion is that nobody knows if the game is any good because it's been out for a grand total of 36 hours. Maybe that's enough to beat Modern Warfare 3 - that's not long enough to play ME3 in any meaningful way. 

A more likely scenario is that you've got a small handful of people genuinely disappointed in the game, for whatever reason, and a large majority of people trolling, grinding a personal gear, or otherwise think they're on a crusade to balance out the professional reviews because they're all just bought and paid for. 

Put more simply, people are idiots. 

EDIT: This is a rant from another thread, but by and large numbers from professional reviews are overrated and the ones from user reviews are pointless. You're going to have people that can't look past their biases and give a game that's otherwise worthy of an 8 a 4 or 5 because of some little thing that they really hate and think that means it's a bad game. 

To use an analogy, there are a great many features of Final Fantasy XIII that I would hate, and that would turn me off from enjoying it, but that doesn't mean it's a bad game. 

So in a nutshell all reviews professional or user should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Darth Death]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

DAII all over again

The side quests certainly are.

[Abraham_uk]

Darth Death wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

DAII all over again

The side quests certainly are.

I hope they haven't reverted back to the Mass Effect 1 style side quests where you have three environments.

Warehouse
Ship interior
Cave interior

All similiar layouts but more or less the same, with the same enemies in each area. That put me off from second and third playthroughs of Mass Effect 1. Mass Effect 2 had enough variety in side quests to keep me amused. Please tell me they haven't gone back to the sidequests of Mass Effect 1.

[Darth Death]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

DAII all over again

The side quests certainly are.

I hope they haven't reverted back to the Mass Effect 1 style side quests where you have three environments.

Warehouse
Ship interior
Cave interior

All similiar layouts but more or less the same, with the same enemies in each area. That put me off from second and third playthroughs of Mass Effect 1. Mass Effect 2 had enough variety in side quests to keep me amused. Please tell me they haven't gone back to the sidequests of Mass Effect 1.

They haven't, so no worries there.

[raeting]

Abraham_uk wrote...
Let's see.3.4 user score on the PS3
              4.9 user score on the XBOX360
              2.7 user score on the PC


There are hundreds of votes. So the only logical conclusion was that the game wasn't very good.

How many games have you know have had poor user scores in the first week that later transformed into positive overall scores? I don't think that's ever happened in the history of metacritic

No, that's not the only logical conclusion. There's a psychological aspect. Get enough posts on how the game sucks in little ways and the system will feed on itself. Just like any other viral / social media thing. Further, not many people have finished the game yet. I took a day off to play it and am still just about halfway through.

You said you liked ME1 and 2, and enjoyed the demo. You will enjoy ME3. I'm 25 hours in, and it is an incredible sequel to the other two.

[HolyAvenger]

There's a definite mob mentality at work with the user scores.

My personal experience with ME3 so far is that it is an excellent game and a worthy successor to ME1 and ME2.

[Draythe]

HolyAvenger wrote...

There's a definite mob mentality at work with the user scores.

On both sides. I see quite a few 10/10 reviews that are every bit as mindless as the 0/10 spammers. You really can't trust either side. But buying based on what reviews say is often a poor practice anyway.

[HolyAvenger]

Oh agreed.

In fact I hate the practice of number-scoring a game. Just tell me your impressions, I'm not illiterate.

But its entrenched practice now, so worth filtering out the rubbish on both ends of the scale.

[AlexXIV]

Draythe wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

There's a definite mob mentality at work with the user scores.

On both sides. I see quite a few 10/10 reviews that are every bit as mindless as the 0/10 spammers. You really can't trust either side. But buying based on what reviews say is often a poor practice anyway.

Well the problem is that probably many will do just that. I am not sure if metacritic and user scores have ever been a good idea, but right now it doesn't look like it to me. There is a war out there and whatever the result is will not help anyone.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 07 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[Wittand25]

Abraham_uk wrote...
So in a nutshell all reviews professional or user should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Yes but professional reviewers tend to give more insight into their opinion, if one bothers to read the text and not just glances at the score, and since it is easier to keep track of them it is also easier to develop a feeling if you agree with them or not.

Generally as someone who has to deal with numbers on a daily basis I have to say a score without a frame of reference is always pointless.
E.g If I rate DA2 as random game picked of the shelf it would be an 8.5/10 easily; If I rate it as triple A game the score would be 5/10 or less (they really rushed and cut too many corners for a better rating); If I gave a score for my enjoyment of DA2 I would say 9/10.
So the context of the rating changes the score.

Modifié par Wittand25, 07 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[Cosmar]

Metacritic is like The National Enquirer of video game review sites. Anything anyone says there should be taken with nothing, not even one grain of salt.

Most of the negative reviews were by people who didn't even play the game but already knew they would hate it because of multiplayer, same sex romance, shooter vs. RPG, what have you, OR they were by people who were playing the game and got pissed off about something ridiculous, like some story element not panning out the way they wanted it to, or their favorite character only getting a cameo or some other crap like that. This is why I stick to the professional review sites; I don't care what "Joe Schmo" has to say about it, I want to know what the professionals in the field think about it.

[Felene]

WOW. Those haters really need to find something better to do with their time.

[Darth Death]

orbit991 wrote...

You guys can make as many excuses as you like why they are giving low scores but the company IS doing something wrong when there is such an organized albeit unfair reaction. EA for one is generally disliked, the day one DLC's are disrespectful to the fan base, as instead of thanking them they gouge them with cut content and don't argue me on that as it is what it is.(just look to CDproject as the opposite with free dlc's).
Sure zeros are ridiculous and likely anything below 6 is silly, even considering personal tastes, the production values and game play is going to be above average due to the budget and decent writing, better fight mechanics don't hurt either.
But that's how things go when you jack around with some of your fan base. Eventually when they weed their old fan base out that will stop.

Agreed. A perfect example is CDproject. Just go to any article, forum, or youtube vid concerning the witcher and all you will see is nothing but praises. They're obviously doing something right & it shows. We may be a whiny bunch (the gaming community), but gamers (and not fanboys) will give credit where credit is due. That's a fact.    

[gabe2gg]

Darth Death wrote...

orbit991 wrote...

You guys can make as many excuses as you like why they are giving low scores but the company IS doing something wrong when there is such an organized albeit unfair reaction. EA for one is generally disliked, the day one DLC's are disrespectful to the fan base, as instead of thanking them they gouge them with cut content and don't argue me on that as it is what it is.(just look to CDproject as the opposite with free dlc's).
Sure zeros are ridiculous and likely anything below 6 is silly, even considering personal tastes, the production values and game play is going to be above average due to the budget and decent writing, better fight mechanics don't hurt either.
But that's how things go when you jack around with some of your fan base. Eventually when they weed their old fan base out that will stop.

Agreed. A perfect example is CDproject. Just go to any article, forum, or youtube vid concerning the witcher and all you will see is nothing but praises. They're obviously doing something right & it shows. We may be a whiny bunch (the gaming community), but gamers (and not fanboys) will give credit where credit is due. That's a fact.    

I agree 100%

[OdanUrr]

Wittand25 wrote...

Yes but professional reviewers tend to give more insight into their opinion, if one bothers to read the text and not just glances at the score, and since it is easier to keep track of them it is also easier to develop a feeling if you agree with them or not.

Not necessarily.

[AkiKishi]

Cosmar wrote...

Metacritic is like The National Enquirer of video game review sites. Anything anyone says there should be taken with nothing, not even one grain of salt.

Most of the negative reviews were by people who didn't even play the game but already knew they would hate it because of multiplayer, same sex romance, shooter vs. RPG, what have you, OR they were by people who were playing the game and got pissed off about something ridiculous, like some story element not panning out the way they wanted it to, or their favorite character only getting a cameo or some other crap like that. This is why I stick to the professional review sites; I don't care what "Joe Schmo" has to say about it, I want to know what the professionals in the field think about it.

You listen to the people who are "paid" by the publishers and you don't see the flaw?

[terdferguson123]

Abraham_uk wrote...

vinlandhammer wrote...

sure there is fair criticism but this is for sure not fair. even with all the issues that this game have a reasonable low score would be 7, but this game well deserves a 9 (with few minor fixes a 10).

this low scores are just like CoD vs BF3 where each side injected as many 0's to make sure the score was low as possible, just like how is happening here.

spliting the reasons, many give 0's just because of day 1 dlc (wich nobody is forced to buy, its optional), some just give because its an EA game and they keep this vendetta, others are just kids having fun by spreading 0's scores, some are just nerd rage and i wouldnt take away the not so uncommon practise of people being paid to score 0's to make the game having a false reputation.......

Let's see.3.4 user score on the PS3
              4.9 user score on the XBOX360
              2.7 user score on the PC


There are hundreds of votes. So the only logical conclusion was that the game wasn't very good.

How many games have you know have had poor user scores in the first week that later transformed into positive overall scores? I don't think that's ever happened in the history of metacritic

The only logical conclusion is that your logic makes no sense. You can never logically take user reviews for ANYTHING seriously, because most people either rate a 10 or a 0/1 (especially metacritic, no idea why its so worse on that site than any other). Because of this, the average is usually WAY off the mark. Thats why in statistics you never just use the average to make a decision, you computer several different methods of central tendency to see a real analysis that takes in tons of different factors, such as bias (none of that there im sure!).

I have not completed it, but it's phenomenal so far (beleive it or not, some of us "non-hardcore rpg players" actually like to play the game and explore it and follow the story instead of racing through it in 15 hours by cutting every corner just so you can bash it), and those 2/3/4 scores are so far off the mark it's incredible.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 07 mars 2012 - 06:52 .

[Draythe]

Cosmar wrote...
 I want to know what the professionals in the field think about it.

They probably think they'd like to keep their advertising deals with the publishers and continue to receive exclusive stories and review copies. Professionalism in gaming journalism has long since been exposed to be a myth. The majority of reviewers are predisposed to writing a positive review for big releases. There have been many incidents of controversy over the odd reviewer going against this pressure and being punished for it. The smartest thing to do is do the research yourself and come to your own decision, not just when buying games but when making most purchasing decisions. 

[senshi10]

First off, understand what free speech is.  Free speech means the government cannot silence you.  If you post something on a privately owned website such as bsn they have every right to censor, delete, ban etc...  If you go into a privately owned store and start protesting they have every right to throw your butt out.  

Yes metacritic is a joke.  People were planning to blast the game before it even came out.  I understand some people may be experiencing problems but I can only speak for myself.  My face imported perfectly, looks like all my decisions from the past 2 games are correct.

They have advertised a bonus character and mission with the purchase of the collectors edition since basically the announcement of the collectors edition.  They do this to make the collectors edition more attractive so they can make some more money, nothing wrong with that as the lack of the dlc does not affect your game in any way.  They don't make an enjoyable game so people CAN play it, they make an enjoyable game so people WILL play it and PAY them money.  They then offer the dlc to people who do not purchase the CE so they may choose whether they would like to extend the game.

I did not go into this game expecting a sandbox game, nor a full blown crpg, nor a third person shooter.  I expected to play a streamlined rpg/shooter and so far that is what I have got.  I expected to play out a pre-scripted story, just like every other Bioware game, and not create a drastically different story.

I have not finished the game but so far I have gotten exactly what I paid for and thought I would receive.  I will not review a game on metacritic anymore as it is a joke but if I were to I would give it a 9 as of right now.

[Poleaxe]

No matter how you slice it, BW has a disconnect with the fan base. Circumstances haven't helped. While BW loses much of it's rpg cred, Skyrim and Witcher provide some of the strongest examples of RPG's in recent gaming history. And of course, being purchased by EA hasn't helped their reputation...

[Wittand25]

OdanUrr wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Yes but professional reviewers tend to give more insight into their opinion, if one bothers to read the text and not just glances at the score, and since it is easier to keep track of them it is also easier to develop a feeling if you agree with them or not.

Not necessarily.

I use professional in the meaning of "produces quality work", not in the meaning of "gets money for it" and defintly not in the meaning of "bends over for money" (though I think the last pun only works in German:whistle:)

Modifié par Wittand25, 07 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[Alright-Television]

Personally I like to think most users are intelligent enough that they don't need digits telling them "exactly" how good or bad a game is. Especially when high-profile games get a score between 9-10. What's the difference between 9,3 and 9,7? Only professional game reviewers know for sure. Number don't mean excrement so most user reviews tend to take the highest/lowest number to show what they thought about the game. A quick yes or no, basically.

[Abraham_uk]

Well when IGN gives a review can you take that seriously?

Jessica Chobot (IGN videogame journalist) has the part of Dianne Allers Alliance Journalist. Don't get me wrong she's good at what she does for a living but it does put some doubts about how genuine an IGN review is going to be. I can tell you if they don't give a 10/10 they'll give something very close.

Maybe I'm wrong about Metacritic. It does seem a little too easy to positive or negative bomb the site. Reviewers do explain the reasons for scores. And they have a decent criteria which is usually consistant from one game to another unless there has been bribery involved.

Not all metacritic reviewers are giving uesless scores and once I ignored the scores I found some legitimate praise and legitimate criticisms for and against Mass Effect 3. Maybe I should ignore the scores and read the comments.

[Abraham_uk]

Wittand25 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Yes but professional reviewers tend to give more insight into their opinion, if one bothers to read the text and not just glances at the score, and since it is easier to keep track of them it is also easier to develop a feeling if you agree with them or not.

Not necessarily.

I use professional in the meaning of "produces quality work", not in the meaning of "gets money for it" and defintly not in the meaning of "bends over for money" (though I think the last pun only works in German:whistle:)

Professional means someone who is paid to perform a task.

Professionalism is about someone who exerts an attitude associated with someone who is paid to perform a task. I.e. high level of quality


If you're saying someone is a professional you are not saying they are good at something. Not unless you wish to change the way that word is understood. Professional reviews mean reviews from people who are paid to produce reviews.

Professional Standard reviews first don't always come from professionals and mean reviews of high quality to the extent of being useful and reliable.