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[Draythe]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Well when IGN gives a review can you take that seriously?

Jessica Chobot (IGN videogame journalist) has the part of Dianne Allers Alliance Journalist. Don't get me wrong she's good at what she does for a living but it does put some doubts about how genuine an IGN review is going to be. I can tell you if they don't give a 10/10 they'll give something very close.

IGN is the absolutely last place you should look for an objective opinion on Mass Effect 3. If the fact that their review page for Mass Effect 3 is covered with "Buy it now!" buttons and looks like part of the official ME3 site isn't an indicator that they are in bed with EA, I don't know what is.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Glancing over a couple reviews, they do arise some legitimate complaints that perhaps partly justify their low score. For instance, a common one is how the squad from ME2 is rendered to cameo appearances in lieu of reprising their roles in your active unit. Frankly, this I agree with myself, especially as EDI just feels horribly out of place. Other complaints were lack of choice and the ever loathed endings.

Many are certainly ridiculous but I hesitant to call ME3 the run away favorite of the series.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Draythe wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Well when IGN gives a review can you take that seriously?

Jessica Chobot (IGN videogame journalist) has the part of Dianne Allers Alliance Journalist. Don't get me wrong she's good at what she does for a living but it does put some doubts about how genuine an IGN review is going to be. I can tell you if they don't give a 10/10 they'll give something very close.

IGN is the absolutely last place you should look for an objective opinion on Mass Effect 3. If the fact that their review page for Mass Effect 3 is covered with "Buy it now!" buttons and looks like part of the official ME3 site isn't an indicator that they are in bed with EA, I don't know what is.

How about one of their employees being in the actual game?  

IGN's credibility was lost the instant that happened.

[AkiKishi]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Glancing over a couple reviews, they do arise some legitimate complaints that perhaps partly justify their low score. For instance, a common one is how the squad from ME2 is rendered to cameo appearances in lieu of reprising their roles in your active unit. Frankly, this I agree with myself, especially as EDI just feels horribly out of place. Other complaints were lack of choice and the ever loathed endings.

Many are certainly ridiculous but I hesitant to call ME3 the run away favorite of the series.

People are far too eager to pass value judgements on how much something should bother someone else.

Auto dialogue will kill the game for some people, for others it will barely register. Both opinions are valid and someone who gives ME a 0 because of it is just as valid as someone who ignores it and gives it a 10.

Case in point I love EDI (I did the give EDI a body thread not long after DA2) but some people don't like the "sex bot" it's not for me to say how much it should bother someone else, or not.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 07 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[Trix-Rabbit]

I think someone of you have lost touch.

There is a reason to post 0/10 and here is why.

The ending(s) is so goddamn bad it ruined not just one game, but all 3 for me... Id go into to detail but this is a spoiler free area. Yes its that bad, after 10k hours(those are literal hours according to steam) of mass effect i can sit here and say i cant never touch this series again or any other ea-ware game for that matter.

It's too bad really, Most of ME3 was pretty damn good. Its just too bad that at the end of the day they took a big giant dump on everything that made mass effect, mass effect. Theres even a conversation with the illusive man near the end of the game, basicly sums up how i feel about bioware right now.

[AkiKishi]

Trix-Rabbit wrote...

I think someone of you have lost touch.

There is a reason to post 0/10 and here is why.

The ending(s) is so goddamn bad it ruined not just one game, but all 3 for me... Id go into to detail but this is a spoiler free area. Yes its that bad, after 10k hours(those are literal hours according to steam) of mass effect i can sit here and say i cant never touch this series again or any other ea-ware game for that matter.

It's too bad really, Most of ME3 was pretty damn good. Its just too bad that at the end of the day they took a big giant dump on everything that made mass effect, mass effect. Theres even a conversation with the illusive man near the end of the game, basicly sums up how i feel about bioware right now.

Completely understand where you are coming from. Had I not had prior knowledge of the endings It would have been throw controller through TV worthy. Quite what they were thinking when they "borrowed" from DX (a very different game) and went against what was said about "leaving no lose ends" I have no idea.

[Draythe]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Glancing over a couple reviews, they do arise some legitimate complaints that perhaps partly justify their low score. For instance, a common one is how the squad from ME2 is rendered to cameo appearances in lieu of reprising their roles in your active unit. Frankly, this I agree with myself, especially as EDI just feels horribly out of place. Other complaints were lack of choice and the ever loathed endings.

Many are certainly ridiculous but I hesitant to call ME3 the run away favorite of the series.

This is one of my biggest complaints as well. ME2 had such a great cast of new characters. When they started announcing what crew members would be in ME3 I was really hoping some of them would make it in, but then it turned out pretty much none of them did and they were all basically going to be relegated to brief cameos. Obviously the possibility that some or all of them died in the second game made it a big challenge to incorporate them, but I still thought with resources like Bioware has they would have tried to include at least a few of them in playable roles.

As for EDI, that felt totally out of nowhere. I don't know anyone who particularly enjoyed its character. I think the way they so heavily sexualized her humanoid form comes across as kind of creepy to be honest.

[Itkovian]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Glancing over a couple reviews, they do arise some legitimate complaints that perhaps partly justify their low score. For instance, a common one is how the squad from ME2 is rendered to cameo appearances in lieu of reprising their roles in your active unit. Frankly, this I agree with myself, especially as EDI just feels horribly out of place. Other complaints were lack of choice and the ever loathed endings.

Many are certainly ridiculous but I hesitant to call ME3 the run away favorite of the series.

Those are legitimate complaints, but they don't deserve low scores (I mean red ones).

Giving a low score for a handful of issues is simply wrong. There is more to the game than just who shows up from ME2, or how dialogues are handled. A game is a collection of parts, and it is still possible to have a lot of high quality elements (for example, the actual gameplay is clearly superior to ME2) despite some flaws.

In such a situaiton, giving the overall score a low value is simply disengenuous, designed as simply a way to "wound" the developer for doing something that displeased the reviewer, instead of a true reflection of the game's quality.

That's why user reviews are so low: professional reviewers don't just rate a game based on a single pet-peeve. Even counting any potential "positive bias" a review site might have, they still look at the overall quality of the product.

As a AAA title, ME3 is undeniably of extremely high quality, and even if certain design aspects might not please an individual review, it does not deserve a low score for it.

Itkovian

[AkiKishi]

Itkovian wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Glancing over a couple reviews, they do arise some legitimate complaints that perhaps partly justify their low score. For instance, a common one is how the squad from ME2 is rendered to cameo appearances in lieu of reprising their roles in your active unit. Frankly, this I agree with myself, especially as EDI just feels horribly out of place. Other complaints were lack of choice and the ever loathed endings.

Many are certainly ridiculous but I hesitant to call ME3 the run away favorite of the series.

Those are legitimate complaints, but they don't deserve low scores (I mean red ones).

Giving a low score for a handful of issues is simply wrong. There is more to the game than just who shows up from ME2, or how dialogues are handled. A game is a collection of parts, and it is still possible to have a lot of high quality elements (for example, the actual gameplay is clearly superior to ME2) despite some flaws.

In such a situaiton, giving the overall score a low value is simply disengenuous, designed as simply a way to "wound" the developer for doing something that displeased the reviewer, instead of a true reflection of the game's quality.

That's why user reviews are so low: professional reviewers don't just rate a game based on a single pet-peeve. Even counting any potential "positive bias" a review site might have, they still look at the overall quality of the product.

As a AAA title, ME3 is undeniably of extremely high quality, and even if certain design aspects might not please an individual review, it does not deserve a low score for it.

Itkovian

As I said above you have no right to determine how much a particular issue bothers someone else.

Read my longer post above for details.

[AkiKishi]

Draythe wrote...
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As for EDI, that felt totally out of nowhere. I don't know anyone who particularly enjoyed its character. I think the way they so heavily sexualized her humanoid form comes across as kind of creepy to be honest.

Well you don't know me but I love EDI to bits she's incredibly funny and offers a diferent perspective. Like in the first scene where she goes off to show Joker her new body.
Maybe I'm just (too) open minded ? But It never really bothered me , altohugh I think the "sex-bot" look was a tad overdone.

[Abraham_uk]

Itkovian wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Glancing over a couple reviews, they do arise some legitimate complaints that perhaps partly justify their low score. For instance, a common one is how the squad from ME2 is rendered to cameo appearances in lieu of reprising their roles in your active unit. Frankly, this I agree with myself, especially as EDI just feels horribly out of place. Other complaints were lack of choice and the ever loathed endings.

Many are certainly ridiculous but I hesitant to call ME3 the run away favorite of the series.

Those are legitimate complaints, but they don't deserve low scores (I mean red ones).

Giving a low score for a handful of issues is simply wrong. There is more to the game than just who shows up from ME2, or how dialogues are handled. A game is a collection of parts, and it is still possible to have a lot of high quality elements (for example, the actual gameplay is clearly superior to ME2) despite some flaws.

In such a situaiton, giving the overall score a low value is simply disengenuous, designed as simply a way to "wound" the developer for doing something that displeased the reviewer, instead of a true reflection of the game's quality.

That's why user reviews are so low: professional reviewers don't just rate a game based on a single pet-peeve. Even counting any potential "positive bias" a review site might have, they still look at the overall quality of the product.

As a AAA title, ME3 is undeniably of extremely high quality, and even if certain design aspects might not please an individual review, it does not deserve a low score for it.

Itkovian

Mario Galaxy had a woefully dissapointing "Save The Princess" cliched plot. Didn't give Bowser any decent motivations and Rosalina was pointless. Amazing game though. All of the platforming and jumping from planetoid to planetoid and not to mention powerups. Superb revolutionary game. But plot horrid.

Role Playing Games however are more reliant on having a really good plot. I doubt I'll be throwing my controller at the screen if it turns out they've riped off Deux Ex Human Revolution. Seriously the plot ripped of Halo and the only guy who complained about that was this guy.



He wasn't even being serious.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 07 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[egorwar4]

I think tey must be all Game or Gamestation Employees lol. Idiots.

[Trix-Rabbit]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Trix-Rabbit wrote...

I think someone of you have lost touch.

There is a reason to post 0/10 and here is why.

The ending(s) is so goddamn bad it ruined not just one game, but all 3 for me... Id go into to detail but this is a spoiler free area. Yes its that bad, after 10k hours(those are literal hours according to steam) of mass effect i can sit here and say i cant never touch this series again or any other ea-ware game for that matter.

It's too bad really, Most of ME3 was pretty damn good. Its just too bad that at the end of the day they took a big giant dump on everything that made mass effect, mass effect. Theres even a conversation with the illusive man near the end of the game, basicly sums up how i feel about bioware right now.

Completely understand where you are coming from. Had I not had prior knowledge of the endings It would have been throw controller through TV worthy. Quite what they were thinking when they "borrowed" from DX (a very different game) and went against what was said about "leaving no lose ends" I have no idea.

Honestly im sure my rage will simmer down soon as i have always loved the Mass Effect series despite my sometimes highly vocal and even somewhat irrational criticims.   And TBH i thought those people who were against Multiplayer were loons before this came out.  Now i feel like they might have a point with this ending.  Its not even entirely a poor writing concern, it also is completely lacking in any kinda of content, it's very very short..   Makes the FO3 ending feel long and full of content.... The only possible reason i could see for this ending is they are trying to segway into an mmo or full blown xpac....and even then...uggg.

Things i even gave a pass...

Auto Dialogue and wheel choices- I can understand its the end of the series and theres alot less choices to make.

Graphics- Lets face it, all gaming companys are trying ot make a profit, and accessability is key to doing that.  EG Consoles are 6 years old and sacrifices had to be made in order to get this to market and make a profit.(and listen im sure wed all like to see developers take a stand and tell the console makers to get with the program and release new tech since the console cycle is over and we need something that can handle todays cutting edge games properly.)

Above goes for some of the other basic annoyances of ME3, many of which will likely be sorted in due time.

[gabe2gg]

Trix-Rabbit wrote...

I think someone of you have lost touch.

There is a reason to post 0/10 and here is why.

The ending(s) is so goddamn bad it ruined not just one game, but all 3 for me... Id go into to detail but this is a spoiler free area. Yes its that bad, after 10k hours(those are literal hours according to steam) of mass effect i can sit here and say i cant never touch this series again or any other ea-ware game for that matter.

It's too bad really, Most of ME3 was pretty damn good. Its just too bad that at the end of the day they took a big giant dump on everything that made mass effect, mass effect. Theres even a conversation with the illusive man near the end of the game, basicly sums up how i feel about bioware right now.

This EA is trolling this series with the terrible ending. I honestly can't belive if the ending is legit or not.

[nssBoB]

i played litterlay since hour 0 with the korean VPN giving myself a 3 hours of sleep a day and i still didnt finished the game (doing every single mission and assigment available). so far i would give the game 8/10 maybe 7/10 because of bugs and technical issues. the fuzz over the day 1 dlc... people wake up it was planned gift for CE buyers, it gives some little insight on last day of ONE prothean during the mission and some minor stuff about their civilization during the course of the game. nothing storybreaking or oh my god so ****ing important. its a nice treat for CE but thats about it.

[Trix-Rabbit]

gabe2gg wrote...

Trix-Rabbit wrote...

I think someone of you have lost touch.

There is a reason to post 0/10 and here is why.

The ending(s) is so goddamn bad it ruined not just one game, but all 3 for me... Id go into to detail but this is a spoiler free area. Yes its that bad, after 10k hours(those are literal hours according to steam) of mass effect i can sit here and say i cant never touch this series again or any other ea-ware game for that matter.

It's too bad really, Most of ME3 was pretty damn good. Its just too bad that at the end of the day they took a big giant dump on everything that made mass effect, mass effect. Theres even a conversation with the illusive man near the end of the game, basicly sums up how i feel about bioware right now.

This EA is trolling this series with the terrible ending. I honestly can't belive if the ending is legit or not.

I was wary after DA2.  Now im for sure convinced that bioware has been indoctrinated by the EA Reapers...

Could Somebody be bothered to shoop EA Execs as Reapers or Husks? Or would that be against forum rules?

[99DP1982]

As I wrote in another thread, I have yet to play this game myself (c'mon friday!), but I do believe, that unfortunately the critic has some merit.

I do not agree with 0-2 scores, because that means, that the game would be a total crap...

People should learn to critically approach their own review, and not let the emotional aspect lead the review...

To all people trying to make reviews, try to divide your opinion into sections, like some good old reviewing practice in the past.

1) Graphics
2) Sound
3) Immersion/replayability (or addiction factor )
4) Single player experience (Key genre points)
5) Multiplayer experience
6) Technical quality (if it doesn't have any bugs, it gets 10)

Then take the average and you'll get the metric called "Overall score".

Based on what I read so far I'd give such evaluation:

1) Graphics - solid, but not earthshaking.The lack of High res textures for PCs is really not making this game any favor - "7"

2) Sound - very good quality - "9"

3) Immersion/replayability - it seems that choices of past games have became less meaningfull than one would expect, but they are present. Apparently there is enough material for 1 -2 playthroughs. As a result it gets "4"

4) SP experience - As an action game, it gets 9, as an RPG it gets 5 - overall score on this section "7"

5) MP experience - Map design, balance, weapon loadouts, are not perfect. as a shooter experience, it gets a solid. "8"

6) Technical quality. - something like problems with importing information from the previous games, should just not happen to an AAA title, which is built around the idea of story continuance of Your Shepard. All in all, other issues are not game breaking, but it just can't get more than "6"

Overall score (average) - 6,8 - A decent game, but not worth of AAA title hype that was produced for it. Wait for a while and get it at a discount price.


Note: Please bear in mind, that the above is just an example, and I have not played the game myself yet. The scores are derived from pieces of information here and there on the forums and reviews.

Modifié par 99DP1982, 07 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Poleaxe wrote...

No matter how you slice it, BW has a disconnect with the fan base. Circumstances haven't helped. While BW loses much of it's rpg cred, Skyrim and Witcher provide some of the strongest examples of RPG's in recent gaming history. And of course, being purchased by EA hasn't helped their reputation...

I' not sure anyone can argue against this anymore.

[Rockworm503]

Abraham_uk wrote...

I've played Mass Effect 1 & 2. I enjoyed the Mass Effect 3 demo. But if Mass Effect 3 has such negative user reviews then it can't possibly be very good. That is a pretty good rule of thumb.

Don't give me the AAA titles are bombarded with negative reviews aregument. Skyrim had lots of haters and had a 80% positive feedback.

The only possible explanation is that the game wasn't very good. This is from over 400 reviews. So I can't see how 400 reviews can be a mis representation of the game even if some of them are tolling like I mentioned in previous response.


As for critics reviews. Well that's just baffling. I am beginning to take user reviews more seriously.

Really?
You're really going to take this seriously?
You're going to base your decision on this game on Metacritic?
Ok then 400 people said that if you jump off a cliff you'll get rich.
You should go do that because you know 400 people can't possibly be wrong right?

[Rockworm503]

Draythe wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

Draythe wrote...
A lot of fair criticism of recent decisions. While 0 definitely isn't a fair score, have you considered these people might not just be "trolling"?

No. And that's because legitimate fans are still playing the game. Too many of the reviews came in before or only hours after release. 

Your close-mindedness makes me sad. 

Do you make a habit of reviewing games you never played?
These people obviously never played.
Whats sadder than these people are the people defending them like they have credebility.

[egorwar4]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

I've played Mass Effect 1 & 2. I enjoyed the Mass Effect 3 demo. But if Mass Effect 3 has such negative user reviews then it can't possibly be very good. That is a pretty good rule of thumb.

Don't give me the AAA titles are bombarded with negative reviews aregument. Skyrim had lots of haters and had a 80% positive feedback.

The only possible explanation is that the game wasn't very good. This is from over 400 reviews. So I can't see how 400 reviews can be a mis representation of the game even if some of them are tolling like I mentioned in previous response.


As for critics reviews. Well that's just baffling. I am beginning to take user reviews more seriously.

Really?
You're really going to take this seriously?
You're going to base your decision on this game on Metacritic?
Ok then 400 people said that if you jump off a cliff you'll get rich.
You should go do that because you know 400 people can't possibly be wrong right?

Here Here!

Abraham UK-  there all Game and Gamestation  employees! lol

[JorgeMacD]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
How about one of their employees being in the actual game?  

IGN's credibility was lost the instant that happened.

Yuuuup

they murdered Emily Wong on Twitter so that Jessica Chobot could be in it

[Abraham_uk]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

I've played Mass Effect 1 & 2. I enjoyed the Mass Effect 3 demo. But if Mass Effect 3 has such negative user reviews then it can't possibly be very good. That is a pretty good rule of thumb.

Don't give me the AAA titles are bombarded with negative reviews aregument. Skyrim had lots of haters and had a 80% positive feedback.

The only possible explanation is that the game wasn't very good. This is from over 400 reviews. So I can't see how 400 reviews can be a mis representation of the game even if some of them are tolling like I mentioned in previous response.


As for critics reviews. Well that's just baffling. I am beginning to take user reviews more seriously.

Really?
You're really going to take this seriously?
You're going to base your decision on this game on Metacritic?
Ok then 400 people said that if you jump off a cliff you'll get rich.
You should go do that because you know 400 people can't possibly be wrong right?

Well I'd get a parachute first. Then I'd jump. Or a bungie cord.

I get your point. Maybe I take metacritic a little to seriously.

[Abraham_uk]

egorwar4 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

I've played Mass Effect 1 & 2. I enjoyed the Mass Effect 3 demo. But if Mass Effect 3 has such negative user reviews then it can't possibly be very good. That is a pretty good rule of thumb.

Don't give me the AAA titles are bombarded with negative reviews aregument. Skyrim had lots of haters and had a 80% positive feedback.

The only possible explanation is that the game wasn't very good. This is from over 400 reviews. So I can't see how 400 reviews can be a mis representation of the game even if some of them are tolling like I mentioned in previous response.


As for critics reviews. Well that's just baffling. I am beginning to take user reviews more seriously.

Really?
You're really going to take this seriously?
You're going to base your decision on this game on Metacritic?
Ok then 400 people said that if you jump off a cliff you'll get rich.
You should go do that because you know 400 people can't possibly be wrong right?

Here Here!

Abraham UK-  there all Game and Gamestation  employees! lol

Well I heard that Game was going bust. They couldn't get copies of Mass Effect 3 because of some disagreement with Electronic Arts. Turns out that it's not just EA giving that store grief. Shame. Need to spend all those game points quickly.

I like that store. But if they're sabotaging big companies via metacritic, I've lost all respect for them. Shamefull if true.

[Stanley Woo]

Please use this thread to discuss the Metacritic user reviews of Mass Effect 3. Thank you.

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