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[Kopikatsu]

Luzarius wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Oh noes! An action sequence of about 2 seconds and you found problems with it. What will we do! The horror! The humanity!

I've never experienced this type of flaw in a mass effect game before. This is why I'm concerned.  I've never had to metagame before to win an encounter in ME1 or ME2.

You keep saying that, but it isn't true. You used a Biotic on Dr. Eva...and it didn't work. This is where common sense/problem solving comes into play. Biotics don't work. WAIT. WHAT'S THIS? The game gave you a gun specifically for this situation? PEW PEW. Dead Eva.

Modifié par Kopikatsu, 08 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[Luzarius]

You keep saying that, but it isn't true. You used a Biotic on Dr. Eva...and it didn't work. This is where common sense/problem solving comes into play. Biotics don't work. WAIT. WHAT'S THIS? The game gave you a gun specifically for this situation? PEW PEW. Dead Eva.

No here is what I did.  Also I will not respond to you again unless you start breaking it down more intelligently.

1st - I fired two shots and then did the math. It's impossible to get her down to 0% health.  If you don't agree with this then go re-do the scenario.  In actuality you only have to get her down to 60-70% life to knock her down.  How can you know this without meta gaming?

2nd - After firing two shots and realizing it's impossible to get her to 0% health,  I then used singularity which didn't work. 

3rd - Warp doesn't work either.

4th - I'm dead.

(Unless you break it down like this and start making some sense, I won't be responding to you anymore).

Modifié par Luzarius, 08 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[Olueq]

I can see your problem, perhaps powers should have been disabled then, but this is nothing compared to the other problems this game has.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Luzarius wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Oh noes! An action sequence of about 2 seconds and you found problems with it. What will we do! The horror! The humanity!

I've never experienced this type of flaw in a mass effect game before. This is why I'm concerned.  I've never had to metagame before to win an encounter in ME1 or ME2.

There's probably a reason why you pull a hand pistol from Liara's belt.

[StarcloudSWG]

Here's how you beat her without metagaming: You're a soldier. Not necessarily a Soldier, but a soldier. An individual who is trained, proficient in, and in Shepard's case, a master of the firearm. EVEN if you're an Adept, firearms are there to be used.
Adept powers don't work? Keep shooting, trying to aim for weak spots.

Your personal preference of "only using powers" is just that: a preference. It's not a law.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

First a bit of Devil's Advocate, let me ask you this. Shes running toward you. You are doing a little bit of damage and don't know that you'll initiate a cutscene l her at 80% health. So, how then do you also know that if you don't get her to 80% she'll instakill you? On my first playthrough with a soldier I figured damn this girl has a LOT of HP this is going to be a long fight... but then the cutscene happened.

Now, as for her being immune completely to biotics that I agree they should have disabled your powers because on my adept I managed to fire off two Warps before she got to me and killed me. I figured at the time that it was the same as the gun, low damage or high HP.

So, in the end I agree with the OP that you have no way to know biotics aren't working until AFTER she's killed you.

[Naltair]

I just head shot her to death, I figured the slow motion was just for this purpose.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Just shoot her and move on.

[Viquey]

though I think you might be overblowing it a bit, I agree on principle. It was even worse for me, because I had about 2 shots left in my clip and I couldn't fire those and reload and fire more before she cutscene-killed me, so it took me a LOT of deaths before resorting to mashing R to try to reload before the slow-mo fully took over. Because it didn't magically replenish my ammo, I honestly thought just shooting wasn't the answer. :/

Speaking of, magical cutscene weapons are somewhat annoying. I only use a pistol--the scorpion v--and that is never used in cutscenes. On top of that, to holster it she apparently drops it over her shoulder and down her back and catches it on her hip, instead of doing it like a normal person. Almost impressive, but mostly kinda stupid. xD

[Hyrist]

Yeah. I'm a Vanguard and even I got the whole "Shoot it with a gun." Scene, especially seeming I had a gun drawn that wasn't in actual game inventory.

[SilencedScream]

If this is currently your biggest concern of the game, you're worried about the wrong thing.

As you said, though, "simply paying attention to detail, dialogue & codex" will allow you to know how to handle the situation; the detail being that you pull a gun from ANOTHER character to shoot at the bot.

[DA_Bundo413]

Luzarius, I'm having the same problem now as you. My first play-through the pistol I had in my hand was the M-3 Predator that had low damage but a high re-fire rate. I also had the difficulty on normal. She went down after two attempts (I didn't quite realize what was happening as nothing in the Mass Effect universe had prepared me for this phenomena).

My NG+ I have the difficulty set on insanity and am wielding the M-77 Paladin, which has a lot more punch but a poor re-fire rate. Dr. Eva slaughters me every time. It doesn't help that I have to reload the gun as she's charging me (she seems to start sooner or later sometimes as one time I got two shots in and another I got four, all to the head, but still not enough to stop her from killing me).

So, now we have a few options, none of them truly acceptable but some less of an inconvenience than others: 1) Ideally, start from a previous save and choose a pistol at a weapon bench in the Mars base that's fast enough to drop the Tin Miss. 2) Use the Mission Restart save and plan weapon load-outs accordingly. 3) Wait for Bioware to patch the issu- sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face typing that.

[DA_Bundo413]

I wasn't even looking at the timestamps while I was reading the messages. This is probably a non-issue anymore, but I will share a workaround I found. It's the number of bullets fired, not the damage dealt that triggers the cut-scene. The timing of Eva's rush at you didn't allow for enough bullets to be fired from the M-77 Paladin. I discovered that if you hold the Shift key (or whatever the Pause/Power Select button is on the consoles) you can actually bring up the screen and ready another weapon of your own choosing before Eva starts running and everything slows to a crawl. I switched to the my Locust SMG, fired 4-5 shots and the cut-scene triggered.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

...

Seriously?

OP is trolling everyone that has responded up till now.

I took out Eva with an unupgraded Predator no problems.

/thread

[Neeh]

It's suppose to be a cool slow mo pew pew in your face scene. I've been through it three times. Vanguard, sentinel, adpet. I never once considered using a power. Nor do I see why this requires such a novel of a respons. Just shoot her z.z

It's not a flaw, the game just wants you to shoot her, it's not even made difficult, they just want you to take the action. The greater issue at hand is why the card table in the lounge is barely used! And the male bathroom is closed!

[Capt Nootsack]

Hi All,

I'm sorry, but I'm with Luzarius on this. I am metagaming, and I am just not able to kill Dr. Eva.
Let me highlight the situation I am in.

My character is a level 58 vanguard
I know thet Biotics don't work on her, so I use my gun
My gun has a power attache to the ammo (cause i'm doing meta, and why wouldn't I use it)
I'm on the Casual setting (already did insanity)

These are my actions:

4 head shots (aimed) - got her to 1 bar, she was pushed back, a bright explosion, then a cutscene where she melees me to death
4 headshots (not aimed) - got her to 1 bar, she came up to me cutscene where she melees me to death
4 body shots (aimed), got her to half her health, she reached me, cutscene where she melees me to death
4 body shots (not aimed) - got her to half her health, pushed her back, loud explosion, cutscene where she melles me to death.

Mix and match combination of if she got close to me, or the amount of health left, but after 15 times, it's ridiculous that I cannot kill this character - ON CASUAL MODE.

Whilst Luzarius has a question on how were supposed to know about her immunity to Biotics, I just want to know what the damn retarded criteria is to defeat her without dying 2 dozen times.

[mbr.to]

i just shot her a few times.
whats the problem?

[Capt Nootsack]

Whelp, found out the issue, and I'm fairly sure this is the issue;
you cannot use ANY diotic powers on her, including your ammo.
I applied ammo powers to my weapons, and if a Pistol is not one of your class weapons, you're fine, but I am a Vanguard, so I had an ammo power on.
Also, it takes your pistol if you change it from the viper or whatever ( I changed to my Arc, and that was what I was using with cryo).
So if you have a pistol as a class weapon, and you've attached an ammo power, you'll have to save to an earlier time, and remove the weapon/power.

[JaegerBane]

mbr.to wrote...

i just shot her a few times.
whats the problem?

Well, the problem is obviously that, for a game that prides itself on letting the player approach a situation how they like, being forced to shoot a magic enemy that doesn't react like *anything* else in the game is considered to be a bit poor.

That said, I don't really understand why people are making it into such an issue. Its such a quick scene that I'm surprised people even died against her if carrying the Predator. To be honest, I see this as equivalent to complaining that people can't use Javik on Palaven on the basis that their personal roleplay choice would be to bring him.

[capn233]

Well you play Soldier first, as you are supposed to, and learn to shoot her.

How are you supposed to know BSN is filled with silly whining without metagaming?

[AgentOfAtlas]

Maybe I'm missing the point, but how come using a gun because you previously tried biotics and you'd have no way of knowing it wouldn't work is considered metagaming, yet all this talk about "I made a simple math calculation based on her health bar" isn't considered metagaming?

[All-a-Mort]

He's gonna just love Marauder Shields...

[Chrome tater tot]

I only managed to shoot her once before the cutscene triggered. I don't really see how someone could encounter this kind of problem.

[Master Shiori]

Luzarius wrote...

1st - I fired two shots and then did the math. It's impossible to get her down to 0% health.

Except everyone else did get her down to 0%. Her health drops very slowly at the beginning (as you said yourself), but starts to drop more rapidly as you keep firing. And no, she doesn't fall down at 70%. You need to knock all the health bars down, before you drop her.

Second, there were plenty of clues that the scene with Eva isn't your typical fight. For one, regardless of which weapon setup you had up to that point, or even which weapon you were holding while chasing her down, you'll always have that heavy pistol. Then there's the whole Eva charging in slow motion. That alone should tell you that something is up.

Bottom line: You were railroaded into using your pistol against her, because the cutscene which followed requires you to gun her down. Bioware put in position to have the tool you need to bring her down. All you need to do is squezze the trigger and keep blasting, which anyone irl would do when faced with a rapidly closing assailant.

[mesmerizedish]

Well, it's like this:

When I use my biotics and they don't work, I get a pretty good idea that biotics don't work.