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[JnEricsonx]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

No, killing the cereal killer was much better (Shep breaks his sword with a bare hand and stabs him with the other)... not sure what happens if you don't take that interrupt. Kinda makes up for the missing "5 rounds rapid" interrupt on the Citadel, and Thessia, etc

Ah.....gotta love a quote from Teh Brigadier.  If he thought the Tardis was nuts, the Citadel would make his head explode.  Meanwhile, the Doctor would be running around talking to EVERYONE.

[Rotward]

I would have shot him the moment he tried to ground me in me1, along with the council, had the option existed.

[Aggie Punbot]

Vexille wrote...

I HATED the Udina arc, I was actually LIKING that b4 the coup it looked like he had gotten his **** straight and was genuinely trying to help despite his personal feelings towards shepard and anderson...

but no, we got full retard Udina

I agree that Udina was being very relatable and sympathetic pre-Coup. Hell, I was even starting to like the guy. However, I can see why he did what he did, and I still think he's a tragic figure in all of this. He was humanity's councillor, but the other members wouldn't even hear him out. Earth was in dire need of outside help and the other council members shut him out entirely. He was desperate, and desperation can cause people to take actions that they may not have done otherwise.

Ultimately, Udina was trying to help humanity in the face of outright refusal from the other specieses (sp?) and he took the only road he saw that was available to him. I don't think he was indoctrinated, just in dire need of help that wasn't coming from any other source.

RIP, Donnel Udina. You tried your best.

[AlexMBrennan]

Ultimately, Udina was trying to help humanity in the face of outright refusal from the other specieses (sp?) and he took the only road he saw that was available to him

Yes, how dare the turians not give up their homeworld the second Earth is threatened? If you wanna live, you better volunteer your women and children to act as human shields for the human masters.

[Pee Jae]

Mm, I'm partial to the window push in ME2 meself.

Merc: I've got nothing more to say to y....
Shepard: How 'bout g'bye?
Jack: Damn, Shepard. I could take lessons from you.

[Rotward]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Yes, how dare the turians not give up their homeworld the second Earth is threatened? If you wanna live, you better volunteer your women and children to act as human shields for the human masters.

Yea, their refusal in me3 was understandable. Stupid, but understandable. Had Shepard had the option, I would have requested a joint military force to fight the reapers, not one to pull Earth out of the fire. The council may owe Shepard for ignoring his or her reaper warnings, but the Alliance ignored the reapers too, so they owe Earth nothing. 

Not so much in me1, and me2, where they basically told the humans to go die in a hole, despite having nothing else to do with their military forces. They weren't even fighting the terminus systems, their military was just sitting there. 

Modifié par Rotward, 28 novembre 2013 - 01:53 .

[Vicious]

Then they decided to make him "lol" evil

Not really. Why do people think that everything a minor character does has to be hinted at prior? you spent practically zero time with Udina. You didn't know him. he had nothing to say to you. indeed, he never liked you so why would you know his motivations for turning? You wouldn't...

Modifié par Vicious, 28 novembre 2013 - 06:02 .

[SporkFu]

It was all about money. The salarian councilor says something about vast sums of money being transferred, when you first get the mission. Granted, one could say he was going to use the money to help the war effort, but that's kinda lame. Nah, it was money and power, and stupidity too, for thinking TIM would ever follow through on any of the promises he had to have made to Udina.

Yeah, after everything that happened during that mission, it was satisfying to shoot him in the chest.

[Linkenski]

Vexille wrote...

I HATED the Udina arc, I was actually LIKING that b4 the coup it looked like he had gotten his **** straight and was genuinely trying to help despite his personal feelings towards shepard and anderson...

but no, we got full retard Udina

Indoctrination, you know. It's the answer for everytime a character is stupid in ME3. Oh, and lazy writing as well. Bioware, people see through bull****.

Vicious wrote...

Then they decided to make him "lol" evil

Not really. Why do people think that everything a minor character does has to be hinted at prior? you spent practically zero time with Udina. You didn't know him. he had nothing to say to you. indeed, he never liked you so why would you know his motivations for turning? You wouldn't...

The narrative did a ******-poor job at foreshadowing his coup, and afterwards it was never explained, only written off by Ashley/Kaidan and the Asari councilor as, "Indoctrination... maybe...?"

Modifié par Linkenski, 28 novembre 2013 - 06:09 .

[Rotward]

Udina's motivations aren't that hard to understand. He was focused entirely on what he believed would benefit humanity most. He suffered the same flaws as the council: placing his species ahead of the rest, dismissing Shepard's warnings, valuing political power over caution. He wasn't evil, he was just stupid, and desprate. 

In me1 and in me2 human colonies were under attack. So from Udina's point of view, Humans had been at war for two and a half years before the reapers hit. During that time the Alliance received no military aid from the council. Then the reapers hit and kill hundreds of Udina's personal friends, and still the council refuses to provide aid. We can assume that between Earth being hit, and the coup, Cerberus contacted Udina. He had to choose between taking control of the central government, and ensuring aid for Earth, or continuing to ram his head against the beaurocratic wall he's faced for over two years.

Is it so hard to see why he'd work with Cerberus?

Modifié par Rotward, 28 novembre 2013 - 08:31 .

[I Tsunayoshi I]

YouKnowMyName wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

I hated it. Why did Udina had to be written out in such a cheap fashion? He was there all the way from ME1 and a likable idiot. He needed a more significant death and his deal with Cerberus was contrived and nonsense. "Oh, but indoctrination"... yeah. *sigh*

Indeed, Udina was shaping up to be a good character before the coup. Then they decided to make him "lol" evil.

I would have forgiven it though, if they had at least let us convince Udina that this is madness through charm/intimidate.

I've seen a few posts here that pretty much make it so that I have to bring up this little tidbit...

Like a couple others in here have hinted, Udina willingly worked with Cerberus and really wasnt indoctrinated to start with. This is more or less confirmed when you are in Chronos Station. there is a hidden away video log console that mainly looks at Kai Leng's dumb**** order following. TIM pretty much orders him to get into contact with Udina, as he was looking more amicable to working with Cerberus

[Aurelia Emenuidros]

I think the interrupt where you dodge Kai Leng's sword and stab him with your omni-blade was the most badass thing in the whole game. I was satisfied with avenging Thane (I saved Miranda) because he didn't derserve such a horrible death like that.

"That was for Thane you sonovab*tch!"

Plus it would make sense if you romance Thane. God, that would have so many feels behind it.

Modifié par Faafra Tamao, 29 novembre 2013 - 11:29 .

[RandomGuy96]

Shooting Legion was the best. So freaking satisfying.

Trying to be original here. Not a fan of the most common favorite picks. I actually kind of felt bad for that one krogan when he said "No, you don't understand, you haven't seen the piles of krogan children who never lived!" or something along those lines. Plus, even if you hate him, it's more satisfying to beat him to death with your bare hands. I don't find the Kai Leng interrupt particularly satisfying for two reasons: one, he was just kind of annoying, I never really truly hated him, and two, Shepard stabs him even if you don't hit the button.

Killing Udina also wasn't very fulfilling for me. Mostly because he just fell over unceremoniously after playing a generic "I got shot" animation that's used by 80% of in-game enemies. That, and I don't feel good about shooting people that are that stupid. 

Modifié par RandomGuy96, 29 novembre 2013 - 12:36 .

[Aggie Punbot]

RandomGuy96 wrote...

Killing Udina also wasn't very fulfilling for me. Mostly because he just fell over unceremoniously after playing a generic "I got shot" animation that's used by 80% of in-game enemies. That, and I don't feel good about shooting people that are that stupid. 

Think how much more serious that scene would have been if Udina had glitched out like this guy did.

[SNascimento]

For me, it's definitely "You're working too hard". Not only it's ridiculously awesome, with Shepard casually electrocuting that Batarian saying what he says, both the whole constructing of the scene is masterfully done.

[marcelo caldas]

Milish wrote...

yes, ashley took the shot in my gameplay (pretty much full paragon)

the right thing to do is to kill her/him, than Udina

[Rotward]

RandomGuy96 wrote...
Killing Udina also wasn't very fulfilling for me. Mostly because he just fell over unceremoniously after playing a generic "I got shot" animation that's used by 80% of in-game enemies. That, and I don't feel good about shooting people that are that stupid. 

I just dislike how much the scene was about your old squadmate, rather than your rivalry with udina. We didn't even get a one liner about political ****storms. 

[DuskWanderer]

Why shouldn't it be about your squadmate? What rivalry did one have with Udina? Regardless of who you chose to sit on the Council, Udina's the one who's there.

I never saw a rivalry with Udina, simply because rivalries require roughly equivalent beings. Ash/Kaidan are seasoned soldiers and Spectres. Udina is a civilian.

I actually liked Udina in the beginning, and even in the end, I was okay with him. I think that's something a lot of people on the BSN lack when it comes to how they view the characters. They lack the ability to put themselves in the character's perspective, and can only look from the player's omniscient eyes.

Udina is watching constant bad news from Earth, quite literally looking at the extinction of humanity as a species. And the other councilors don't want to help. Thessia and Sur'Kesh are not under attack, and quite literally, the asari councilor says "The asari come first." They even skipped the war summit. Even without that, people are dying constantly as Shepard jumps through hoops for the krogan. Who are going to save Palaven, not Earth. He's desperate, he wants to save humanity. Desperate people make rash decisions. He tries to turn Ash/Kaidan against Shepard for no other reason than that Shepard, through Valern/Esheel, knew of Udina's role in the coup (He could at least try to pull the wool over Ash/Kaidan's eyes). He may also have known about Horizon, but even if he didn't, Shepard was confirmed Cerberus before, and it may have been believable.

In short, he's wrong. He made a wrong decision. But the reason is believable, and makes psychological sense. That's what makes Udina a good character.