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[sonsofanarchy10]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...

One thing I'm seeing occassionally is the notion the game was rushed or the dev team didn't try as hard somehow. It's disheartening to see that because I can tell you the development team worked *incredibly* hard on the game, including a ton of personal sacrifice (hours worked, holidays skipped etc). This was a labor of love for the team and we're all very proud of what has been accomplished. There are bugs that got through (face import. we know ) but they are being investigated for fixing etc.

The endings Jarret, the endings.

   



The ending is bull sh*** jarrett. I and many others are sick of them not answering questions about the endings . Its high dam time they say something . They hid this game from us the whole time and for what. One of the most illogical and stupidist endings I have ever seen in a game . One that makes the whole point of ME 3 completely pointless . I want answers and I swear to god I wish I was a EA share holder I would be demanding a dam answer

This game was so damn good and I just don't understand all this "hate".  I understand the ending isn't the greatest in the world, but I enjoyed that I was able to do what I did in the end (I got to see my favorite crewmembers live)  This is without a doubt the greatest Trilogy I have or ever will play in gaming history.  Damn good game and damn good story telling.

Modifié par sonsofanarchy10, 12 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[dexmith]

Yes I am verry disapointed with characters creation and dialog. Characters dont look so good: Ashley WIlliams huge lips (implant with botox probably because everyone in USA does it), Liara a little uglyer, Miranda also, EDI is just bad. Dialogues are so artificial with long pauses when there should be interuptions. DIalogues doesn't draw you into action anymore and don't give you the sensation of action you take part anymore. The only exception are dialogues through intercom in combat, those are still good and makes you push faster.

[Harorrd]

Yes...

[ebevan91]

dexmith wrote...

Yes I am verry disapointed with characters creation and dialog. Characters dont look so good: Ashley WIlliams huge lips (implant with botox probably because everyone in USA does it), Liara a little uglyer, Miranda also, EDI is just bad. Dialogues are so artificial with long pauses when there should be interuptions. DIalogues doesn't draw you into action anymore and don't give you the sensation of action you take part anymore. The only exception are dialogues through intercom in combat, those are still good and makes you push faster.

I thought Liara's design was better than what it was in ME2. She looked all puffy-eyed in ME2, like she just got through crying.

[Zanath]

The Last Guardian wrote...

Nah. Most of the complaints from the ending are tied to the fact that 99% of ME3 was so damn good. 

 Seriously, if the whole game was bad. It would be a crapshoot. But look at this forum, see the various posts about how brilliant most of the game was, or how moved and touched they were by certain death scenes.

Right from my previous post (and, in fact, even the POINT of it) : before there was enough people that finished the game and saw the ending, the forums weren't about how awesomely perfect the game was, but rather filled with differing opinions. The auto-dialog, lack of impact from previous choice and deus ex machina-driven plots were recurring issues.

Not to say that the game was crappy (as I said, again, in my previous post, it's actually pretty good overall), but it certainly was not flawless.

All games have issues. No game is perfect. An yes me3 has issues aside from it's ending. But personally, and this might just be me, I was to blinded by the brilliance of what I experienced in my 30 hours of play time to notice issues like those. I was to moved, and to captivated by what I was experiencing.

I was moved, captivated and gripped in many parts.
I was disgusted in others (the beginning is just simple-minded action, and the overall arching plot is dreadfull, hopefully compensated by the quite good subplots).

If the ending was ****, and the rest of the game was ****, then I honestly would'nt even care for a dlc ending. I'm protesting simply because of how brilliant everything else was. I simply want closeure, and I want a fitting end for a brillaint and fitting game.

Let me repeat myself AGAIN : I don't say that the whole game was crap. I say that the game had numerous SERIOUS issues, that have been overshadowed by the cosmic sh*ttiness of the endings. They dwarfed any other flaw into oblivion, but these flaws were not trivial.

Modifié par Zanath, 13 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[The Razman]

In all honesty, I was disappointed up until the final mission and the ending. Both of those were so emotionally impacting that it formulated the perfect end to the series, for me.

There are so many things about this game which given another six months of development time could've been so much better. I'm not suggesting the game was rushed ... for the development time they had, the team have done a fantastic job, I was really expecting things to be cut back, and it blasted those doubts away entirely.

But there were just things which felt like they should have been expanded on. One of the big things I was expecting going in was that there was going to be reprecussions for my romance choices in the previous games (Ashley in ME1, Miranda in ME2). But the sum total of this was Ashley going "Miranda Lawson?? Seriously??" in hospital, and me holding my hands up and saying "Got me. Forgive?" And that was it. Also not being able to talk to teammates so much between missions made me feel more disconnected with the squad. It just felt that there should be more writing material in there, that there was so much more to talk about and so many more bonding opportunities. And the massive quantity of fetching sidequests felt like nothing more than a way of making it seem that there was non-linear progression and sidequests in the game than there were. So when people say it's a rush job, they don't mean it's not finished ... just that there could be more of it if it had been given a bit more production time.

But like I said, I loved the ending. After that, all is forgiven. Not forgotten for future Bioware purchases, unfortunately ... but Mass Effect has gone out on a brilliant note.

[AtreiyaN7]

Did I write anything in here before...probably not, but if I'm repeating myself then oops. I actually loved the whole story and found it a very emotional experience.

[KingSnake661]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

One thing I'm seeing occassionally is the notion the game was rushed or the dev team didn't try as hard somehow. It's disheartening to see that because I can tell you the development team worked *incredibly* hard on the game, including a ton of personal sacrifice (hours worked, holidays skipped etc). This was a labor of love for the team and we're all very proud of what has been accomplished. There are bugs that got through (face import. we know ) but they are being investigated for fixing etc.

Then you needed more time.  I'm sorry.  If you bused as much butt as you claim, you weren't given enought time.  And that's that.  You should have pushed it back.  You guys didn't.  The product is buggy.  The, quality, lacking IMO.  The ending... eh, i've raged enough about that.  It may have been a laber of love, but at the end of the day, you have to deliver or it's a moot point.

Modifié par KingSnake661, 12 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[vjellu]

Modifié par vjellu, 21 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[SalsaDMA]

The Razman wrote...

There are so many things about this game which given another six months of development time could've been so much better. I'm not suggesting the game was rushed ... for the development time they had, the team have done a fantastic job, I was really expecting things to be cut back, and it blasted those doubts away entirely.

Fun fact:

Bioware claimed the game was finished several months before release and that the release date was pushed back for another reason which just allowed them to 'polish' things even more than they were already.

I dunno about you, but to me, holding that claim they made back then up against the stuff people are saying now about the game after they got their hands on it, something just doesn't add up...

[TwistedComplex]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

One thing I'm seeing occassionally is the notion the game was rushed or the dev team didn't try as hard somehow. It's disheartening to see that because I can tell you the development team worked *incredibly* hard on the game, including a ton of personal sacrifice (hours worked, holidays skipped etc). This was a labor of love for the team and we're all very proud of what has been accomplished. There are bugs that got through (face import. we know ) but they are being investigated for fixing etc.

Dude, you're the marketing director, forgive me if I think you don't really care

[The Razman]

KingSnake661 wrote...

Jarrett Lee wrote...

One thing I'm seeing occassionally is the notion the game was rushed or the dev team didn't try as hard somehow. It's disheartening to see that because I can tell you the development team worked *incredibly* hard on the game, including a ton of personal sacrifice (hours worked, holidays skipped etc). This was a labor of love for the team and we're all very proud of what has been accomplished. There are bugs that got through (face import. we know ) but they are being investigated for fixing etc.

Then you needed more time.  I'm sorry.  If you bused as much butt as you claim, you weren't given enought time.  And that's that.  You should have pushed it back.  You guys didn't.  The product is buggy.  The, quality, lacking IMO.  The ending... eh, i've raged enough about that.  It may have been a laber of love, but at the end of the day, you have to deliver or it's a moot point.

They delivered. They definitely delivered, no denying that. The end product is amazing when you take it for what it is.

They just didn't deliver on the scale that perhaps we were all hoping for in our expectations. And then of course, there are the moaners about the ending.

[Ronin1325]

Zanath wrote...

The Last Guardian wrote...

Nah. Most of the complaints from the ending are tied to the fact that 99% of ME3 was so damn good. 

 Seriously, if the whole game was bad. It would be a crapshoot. But look at this forum, see the various posts about how brilliant most of the game was, or how moved and touched they were by certain death scenes.

Right from my previous post (and, in fact, even the POINT of it) : before there was enough people that finished the game and saw the ending, the forums weren't about how awesomely perfect the game was, but rather filled with differing opinions. The auto-dialog, lack of impact from previous choice and deus ex machina-driven plots were recurring issues.

Not to say that the game was crappy (as I said, again, in my previous post, it's actually pretty good overall), but it certainly was not flawless.

All games have issues. No game is perfect. An yes me3 has issues aside from it's ending. But personally, and this might just be me, I was to blinded by the brilliance of what I experienced in my 30 hours of play time to notice issues like those. I was to moved, and to captivated by what I was experiencing.

I was moved, captivated and gripped in many parts.
I was disgusted in others (the beginning is just simple-minded action, and the overall arching plot is dreadfull, hopefully compensated by the quite good subplots).

If the ending was ****, and the rest of the game was ****, then I honestly would'nt even care for a dlc ending. I'm protesting simply because of how brilliant everything else was. I simply want closeure, and I want a fitting end for a brillaint and fitting game.

Let me repeat myself AGAIN : I don't argue the whole game was crap. I argue the game had numerous SERIOUS issues, that have been overshadowed by the cosmic sh*ttiness of the endings. They dwarfed any other flaw into oblivion, but these flaws were not trivial.

I think if you take the ending out of the equation, very *few* people would argue the game was crap. I certainly wouldn't. But it does seem to be one of Bioware's buggier games in recent memory. In the past I enjoyed comparing Bioware's games to Bethesda's in terms of stability, with Bioware winning by a huge margin. Not as much the case these days.

In addition, given that they said the game was done months before release, that does make these bugs more problematic. Why would these problems come up the week of release when they had months to poke at it before beforehand? 

[Vasarkian]

The final mission including the ending is probably the worst part of it, though if you fixed the final mission then you'd have to fix the effect the assets have on things like Palaven and the other things.

Basically, you spend the entire game building up assets that don't really matter in the end despite how big a fleet or how large or special ops your ground forces are... Hammer and Sword don't really matter.

[The Tookah]

The ending told me that all my efforts were for nothing. There were flaws throughout, but basically I enjoyed the game. The ending was a kick in the teeth. I don't appreciate it and it was not fun in any sense. This is a Game! I shouldn't get to the end and be pissed off and I seriously am. I do not see myself EVER playing the ending again, and certainly not the entire trilogy. But of course, BioWare and EA do not care because they already have my money. I will remember the next time they try to sell me a game.

[Brilhros]

Finally finished the game a few minutes ago. I have to say, I loved the whole experience, even the very end. And Im happy I did, seeing how everyone else seems to hate it.

Epic resonates when I think of the trilogy right now. Im glad I took part of it.

Take heart Jarrett. It really shows it was a labor of love. Thanks and congratulations to you and the rest of the team at BIOWARE.

And last but not least, in a more frivolous note: Ahem, I will buy all your DLCs, heh.

[ebevan91]

Brilhros wrote...

Finally finished the game a few minutes ago. I have to say, I loved the whole experience, even the very end. And Im happy I did, seeing how everyone else seems to hate it.

Epic resonates when I think of the trilogy right now. Im glad I took part of it.

Take heart Jarrett. It really shows it was a labor of love. Thanks and congratulations to you and the rest of the team at BIOWARE.

And last but not least, in a more frivolous note: Ahem, I will buy all your DLCs, heh.

An advocate?

GET HIM, BOYS! 

[hex23]

Game was amazing except for the last 5ish minutes of it.

[BeteNoire]

sonsofanarchy10 wrote...


This game was so damn good and I just don't understand all this "hate".  I understand the ending isn't the greatest in the world, but I enjoyed that I was able to do what I did in the end (I got to see my favorite crewmembers live)  This is without a doubt the greatest Trilogy I have or ever will play in gaming history.  Damn good game and damn good story telling.

I can't speak for others, but I don't feel people are spewing so much "hate" as they are disappointment. Ultimately, this is more of a "did you enjoy this game" rather than a "does ME3 suck" thread. Sure, lots of people loved it. Good for them, consider me envious. I wish I could enjoy it as much as you did, even with the endings that everyone seemed to hate.

The reason why I think I'm not "hating" on this game even if I claim I'm disapointed by it, is because I'm giving a  very personal opinion here. I'm talking from my personal experience -- I was not gripped by this game. This is not about the music, or the voice acting or the graphics. Not saying here "ZOMG ME3 SUCKS NOES!" but I wasn't swept of my feet. I can't be arsed to finish it -- and this puzzles me a lot because I wanted to love it so much. I had the date of release written on my calendar. I ordered the art book. I was totally psyched, even if I tried to not go for incredible high expectations that the devs could not fulfil. I was expecting something I had enjoyed as much as ME2 -- and that would be enough to make me a little happy gamer. However, this game left me kinda.... eh. And that on itself is really disappointing. Does that come through as "Hate"?

From what I read here, people aren't going "ME3 SUCKS BECAUSE EA SUCKS ZOMG DLC HOW DARE THEY", which seemed to be the some of the hating speeches. People here seem to just be able to say if they were disappointed or not. And while some were moved to tears, some weren't and felt bored or annoyed or as if they were reading a bad soap opera. That, ultimately, can't be really understood, I think, because it's an emotional reaction.

.... Sorry *steps down from soapbox*

Modifié par BeteNoire, 13 mars 2012 - 01:20 .

[Arkeshen]

Sinnerous wrote...

After 6 hours of game play, sadly I can say I'm a little depressed. I mean, it's an okay game still, but lacks the feeling the last two installments have. Not being to see my Shepards face again from ME1 in ME3 kinda took away the "emotional" attachment. (I don't even know who you are!!) Auto-Dialog. I think Ashley was right about Cerberus controlling Shepard, I barely have input in what he says! Even the neutral option is gone, when a selection of dialog actually pops up. Is it me or is Liara ugly now? Characters look different now. Can't tell of its for better or worse yet. Combat is fun, as a big player of all three Gears of War I see a slight resemblance but not how they say. Anyway, just my opinion.

The reason you see a resemblance between GoW & ME3 is because they both utilize the Unreal Engine 3.


To the haters of EA-

EA is a business, and if you think you're entitled to something that was or wasn't going to be in the vanilla version of ME3, think again. You ain't entitled jack. From Ashes was originally going to be for the N7 Edition only. So why would beware develop something for N7 Edition only if it had a vital piece of story...it makes no.sense to do that. All EA did was to decide to monopolize it and have it as day one DLC...because 90% of the people who said they were gonna boycott EA by not buying, bought it and they knew it.

Modifié par Arkeshen, 13 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[Zanath]

Ronin1325 wrote...

I think if you take the ending out of the equation, very *few* people would argue the game was crap.

Bad wording from me, sorry.
I wanted to say : "I'm not saying that the game was crap, but I say that it has serious issues".
I'm going to correct my post in order to avoid such misunderstanding ^^

In addition, given that they said the game was done months before release, that does make these bugs more problematic. Why would these problems come up the week of release when they had months to poke at it before beforehand? 

Seriously ?
They lied through their teeth several times about the DLC. Do you expect them not to lie about the polish and the like ?

They  rushed some part of the game to make place for useless crap like multiplayer (that have NOTHING to do in such a game), force Origin down our throat and remove content to sell a day 1 DLC. Don't expect them to admit it, though.

[The Last Guardian]

BeteNoire wrote...

sonsofanarchy10 wrote...


This game was so damn good and I just don't understand all this "hate".  I understand the ending isn't the greatest in the world, but I enjoyed that I was able to do what I did in the end (I got to see my favorite crewmembers live)  This is without a doubt the greatest Trilogy I have or ever will play in gaming history.  Damn good game and damn good story telling.

I can't speak for others, but I don't feel people are spewing so much "hate" as they are disappointment. Ultimately, this is more of a "did you enjoy this game" rather than a "does ME3 suck" thread. Sure, lots of people loved it. Good for them, consider me envious. I wish I could enjoy it as much as you did, even with the endings that everyone seemed to hate.

The reason why I think I'm not "hating" on this game even if I claim I'm disapointed by it, is because I'm giving a  very personal opinion here. I'm talking from my personal experience -- I was not gripped by this game. This is not about the music, or the voice acting or the graphics. Not saying here "ZOMG ME3 SUCKS NOES!" but I wasn't swept of my feet. I can't be arsed to finish it -- and this puzzles me a lot because I wanted to love it so much. I had the date of release written on my calendar. I ordered the art book. I was totally psyched, even if I tried to not go for incredible high expectations that the devs could not fulfil. I was expecting something I had enjoyed as much as ME2 -- and that would be enough to make me a little happy gamer. However, this game left me kinda.... eh. And that on itself is really disappointing. Does that come through as "Hate"?

From what I read here, people aren't going "ME3 SUCKS BECAUSE EA SUCKS ZOMG DLC HOW DARE THEY", which seemed to be the some of the hating speeches. People here seem to just be able to say if they were disappointed or not. And while some were moved to tears, some weren't and felt bored or annoyed or as if they were reading a bad soap opera. That, ultimately, can't be really understood, I think, because it's an emotional reaction.

.... Sorry *steps down from soapbox*

I'm curious though, you say you weren't "gripped" by the game. Did Mordins emotional death scene not touch you to the core, as the white genophage cure sprinkled down to it's people? Did Thane's last heroic moment, defeating an assassin from attacking you, even as ill as he was, not touch you? Or the last prayer Thane gave to Shepard on his death bed, as his final minutes were withering away. What about the horrible feeling you got when you tried to save the geth, only leading to Tali's fleet being entirely wiped out, thus causing her to commit sucicide? Or what about Legions sacrfice to save his people from slaverey, finally refering himself as "I" in his final sentence, instead of we. Finally acknowledging that he was indeed a living thing. 

 What about the touching moments where Liara shows you her special project of You, cementing your name in the stars. Or how Cortez mourns over his love husband at the memorial wall at the citadel. Or shooting bottles with Garrus on the top of the citadel, such a bro moment. 

 What about the hilarious moments with Javick being a funny dick to everyone, or Tali getting drunk. 

 I mean this game has 100's of these moments. An to not be touched or gripped at all leaves me asking how, why? 

[Eternal Dust]

^ Wow, spoilers much?

[The Last Guardian]

Eternal Dust wrote...

^ Wow, spoilers much?

Sorry, not my fault Bioware are idiots in making you have to register your game to go in the spoilers section.