At the end off Legacy (I sided with Larius), Larius thanks Hawke for saving him and says he's a new man. The seeker in her conversation with Varric comments that Larius wasn't there.
If you look at Larius's face when he turns his back to Hawke, you can see him smile in a sneaky kind of way. I believe that the spirit of Corypheus went over in him.
As he is one of the old lords this would mean that he now is released into the world in a new body.
Corypheus returns in DA3? (spoilers!)
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I feel the same way about Flemmeth. She returned in DA2 after I killed her dragonform in DAO. The darkspawn answer to the call of the old ones which are a dragon form in DAO just like Flemmeth. They call them to be freed. Flemmeth doesn't like the darkspawn (she saves Hawke from them) but she has an appointment to keep in DA2. With whom I wonder....... The seeker mentions in her last conversation that both the warden and the champion dissapeared, ergo they both owned their lives to the witch of the wilds. Also Flemmeth had the keeper in her pocket because she had made a promise to her to free her from the locket Hawke had to bring. Will it come down to a clash of the old ones who want the power over the world? The Qun have Coslun; is he an old one? Was Andraste a pawn of "the maker" also an old one? Morrigan's baby carries the spirit of the old magister defeated in DAO. Is it her plan to defeat Flemmeth and gain power with the help of the spirit that lives inside her child?
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Larius also sounds like Cory "My thanks you have, for my freedom." Oops Hawke, my dear, I think you should have asked the Grey Wardens what ancient evils do when you kill them. It seems like Cory pulled and Archdemon type death on you via Larius. (Or Janika if you side with her - the implication is there on both sides.)
I will be surprised if we have heard the end of Cory any more that we have heard the end of Flemeth.
I will be surprised if we have heard the end of Cory any more that we have heard the end of Flemeth.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 10:41
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I'm really looking forward to DA3 to see where all of this is going. There were 7 dragons wich now all but one are defeated so theoratically there can only be one more blight. In DA2 in the band of three they mention that one evil is allready free. I wonder what evil of old this is. If Cory in one too that would make 2 of them.
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So many lovely theories...sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
I feel the same way about Flemmeth. She returned in DA2 after I killed her dragonform in DAO. The darkspawn answer to the call of the old ones which are a dragon form in DAO just like Flemmeth. They call them to be freed. Flemmeth doesn't like the darkspawn (she saves Hawke from them) but she has an appointment to keep in DA2. With whom I wonder....... The seeker mentions in her last conversation that both the warden and the champion dissapeared, ergo they both owned their lives to the witch of the wilds. Also Flemmeth had the keeper in her pocket because she had made a promise to her to free her from the locket Hawke had to bring. Will it come down to a clash of the old ones who want the power over the world? The Qun have Coslun; is he an old one? Was Andraste a pawn of "the maker" also an old one? Morrigan's baby carries the spirit of the old magister defeated in DAO. Is it her plan to defeat Flemmeth and gain power with the help of the spirit that lives inside her child?
The appointment Flemeth refers to is probably her encounter with the Warden (the acquisition of the grimoire) - presumably, Flemeth had an inkling that Morrigan would attempt to take the book, possibly by force, and thus Flemeth tucked a bit of her essense away in the amulet so as to keep her appointment (physically facing off with the Warden) while still preserving herself in some manner.
I don't know that Flemeth "had the Keeper in her pocket" - there is definitely an obligation there, yes. Some deal was struck, a little quid pro quo. But it may be just that, and that only. It's possible that the Keeper didn't know exactly what her end of the bargain entailed, only that she needed to move the clan to Sundermount and she needed to prepare for when the amulet was brought to her so that it could be taken to the altar. Really, it all seems to be a matter of careful planning on Flemeth's part. Setting the stage, as it were, and ensuring that the resources were in place to allow her to reform/reappear and fly off with a few whispers of foreshadowing.
Koslun was a philosopher and the founder of the Qun, I believe. I don't know that he was an Old One so much as he was simply an individual of some knowledge and wisdom.
Andraste being a pawn...? Maybe. But that makes the assumptions that: 1. The Maker did indeed speak to her (and not some other entity). 2. The Maker has some machinations in place ("pawn" doesn't have a positive connotation). 3. She was used, and did not choose her path or was ignorant or helpless of the implications. Andraste may have truly believed what she claimed, and there may have been truth within the focus of her belief. We don't really know enough about her or the Maker to really say. She remains shrouded in mystery at this point. Her real story may be very different than what legends and lore have painted her.
And as far as Corypheus goes, many have speculated that he managed to make some soul/body jump (there are a couple of old threads out there that have theories aplenty). I don't know that he will show up in DA3, but if he is indeed "alive" in some capacity, I think we'll see some evidence of his influence.
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I realy admire the writers of DA because of the fact that they put peoples minds to work. I played DAO and DA2 with most of the extra's. The only two I did not play yet is Morrigan's and the darkspawn extra. I am really thinking about playing them also because of the extra input I will get from them. I totally realize that DA is shaped around the believes and religions that are in our world and that the writers get their inspiration from that. That is why I think it is pretty cool that we can have the chance to ventilate our thoughts and opinions on this site.
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All the old magisters that were defeated by a warden during a blight will return in some way in dragon age. Like I stated befor there is only one old magister left. The old magisters possesed great magic (necromancy for excample). They had only one porpose: to live on, one way or the other. The reason why they were looking for the golden city was eternal life.
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I don't know if they went to the fade looking for eternal life but I bet my right arm that getting more POWER was the real motivation.
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Could it not be that Corypheus was a somniari before he became an abomination?
And what about Malvernis (the pestilent one)? Are they one and the same or was Corypheus possesed with him and he left his body when he was defeated?
To many unanswered questions. Really hope he returns in another DLC or DA3 to shed some light on it. I just can't believe that the writers would give so much additional info that isn't adressed to yet if they aren't planning to do something with it.
And what about Malvernis (the pestilent one)? Are they one and the same or was Corypheus possesed with him and he left his body when he was defeated?
To many unanswered questions. Really hope he returns in another DLC or DA3 to shed some light on it. I just can't believe that the writers would give so much additional info that isn't adressed to yet if they aren't planning to do something with it.
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Cory says as much, he claims Dumat promised them the power of the gods if they went to the Golden City (which turned out to be black and corrupt) So The Silent One apparently tricked his followers into getting corrupted which throws a whole new spin on the entire Darkspawn problem.
Other questions, if Cory and in fact all of the seals in that prison were held by blood and were there since the first blight and, it requires Hawke blood to open them; they must have been created with Hawke blood so, where is the rest of the Hawke line? What is that history? Especially given that Larius tells us the seals have held for 2000 years, that means Hawke has one heck of a known lineage and a lot of it is known to that prison.
Other questions, if Cory and in fact all of the seals in that prison were held by blood and were there since the first blight and, it requires Hawke blood to open them; they must have been created with Hawke blood so, where is the rest of the Hawke line? What is that history? Especially given that Larius tells us the seals have held for 2000 years, that means Hawke has one heck of a known lineage and a lot of it is known to that prison.
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Those were my thoughts exactly. In the DLC a lot of "walldecoration" represents a hawke. Larius gives a little background information while they are making their way through the tower. Dad Hawke was very interested in everything regarding the tower. That can not be a coincidence in my opinion. Furthermore; I played a rogue so it doesn't need te be a mage Hawke to break the seal. It is more like a DNA thing.
As I understand it the tower was build by the dwarves who brought Malvernis there to be sealed away. 2000 years later dad has to reinforce the seals but did not use blood magic to make that happen. Then his children come to the tower and defeat Corypheus. Isn't the reason for this just that the pestilent one thought of a way to escape his prison?
As I understand it the tower was build by the dwarves who brought Malvernis there to be sealed away. 2000 years later dad has to reinforce the seals but did not use blood magic to make that happen. Then his children come to the tower and defeat Corypheus. Isn't the reason for this just that the pestilent one thought of a way to escape his prison?
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Somhow I think it would make a great DLC pack discovering just how the Hawke, and Amell lines are really connected. I mean we know a Hawke, likely a few of them over the years has worked with the grey wardens before Malcolm met Leandra and, that if you play a human mage DAO, you are an Amell who become a Warden, iv not we can assume Revka's child was at the Ferelden circle when Uldred broke loose and, was either saved or killed by the Warden at that time.
Any way you look at it Warden, Amell, Hawke, history and, Cory are all tied up and I want to know how.
Any way you look at it Warden, Amell, Hawke, history and, Cory are all tied up and I want to know how.
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Revka's child is in that aspect a mystery. I assume that Revka is Leandra and Gamlen's mother so this would mean that there is an uncle/aunt and maybe nephews/nices.
What else is interesting that if the baby wasn't born grandpa Aristide would have become the new viscount.
When you visit the Amell estate there is an Amell crest. I wonder why you cannot make out how it looks like. You find the letter regarding the Amell's behind it.
What else is interesting that if the baby wasn't born grandpa Aristide would have become the new viscount.
When you visit the Amell estate there is an Amell crest. I wonder why you cannot make out how it looks like. You find the letter regarding the Amell's behind it.
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sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
At the end off Legacy (I sided with Larius), Larius thanks Hawke for saving him and says he's a new man. The seeker in her conversation with Varric comments that Larius wasn't there.
If you look at Larius's face when he turns his back to Hawke, you can see him smile in a sneaky kind of way. I believe that the spirit of Corypheus went over in him.
As he is one of the old lords this would mean that he now is released into the world in a new body.
I thought the same on the playthrough when I sided with him. That smile is just too obvious.
I'm not sure we will see him in DA3, however. It would be interesting, but I wouldn't count on it.
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The info you read about DA3 says it will be about the clash of the templars and mages. In DA2 you could see the prelude to it. But mixed into this are the Old Gods, the magisters of old, the Qunari and last but not least Andraste and the maker. In DAO Sten was introduced. The stage is set to make one of a hell good game out of DA3.
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There's a new thread involving the architect so I wanted to get this one going again considering they can be somehow connected.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
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I think the architect and Cory will play significant roles in da3. I feel that they along with tevintar will be siding with the mages. Also Cory sounded malcontent and more than likely will be headed to tevinter and try to help tevinter regain it's old glory. One way would be to help the mages against the chantry. That would possibly make the qunari more than likely side with the Templars if tevinter where to enter the war.
Another thing about Cory is that he is in a grey warden's body at the end of legacy. Depending who you spared they might have influence on swaying the wardens in the fight.
Another thing about Cory is that he is in a grey warden's body at the end of legacy. Depending who you spared they might have influence on swaying the wardens in the fight.
