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[Weskerr]

SyyRaaaN wrote...

The reviews are part of the marketing. It's obvious. The reviewers aren't even pointing out obvious gamebreaking bugs or flaws.

After the SC2 review i stopped trusting all the review-sites who didn't mention the broken state of battle.net.

Also, this is a classic: In the IGN review of ME2 the reviewer says something like this about the combat in the game: That the combat system is one that both the **hardcore** RPG fans and shooter fans can get behind. Wow, really? How is that not marketing ? Everybody knows this can impossibly be true.

IGN should have recused itself from reviewing ME3 because one of their former employees (Jessica Chobot) was hired to do a a voice over for and be the body and face template of a character in the game. As far as I'm concerned, their review is worthless.

Still, you're surmising that IGN was paid off for their review of ME2. You don't provide any proof. Accusations of bribery are very serious - especially for reviewers. People should have solid evidence available before making such accusations. If there is evidence that reviewers are paid off, I'd like to see it.

[CerberusSoldier]

Weskerr wrote...

SyyRaaaN wrote...

The reviews are part of the marketing. It's obvious. The reviewers aren't even pointing out obvious gamebreaking bugs or flaws.

After the SC2 review i stopped trusting all the review-sites who didn't mention the broken state of battle.net.

Also, this is a classic: In the IGN review of ME2 the reviewer says something like this about the combat in the game: That the combat system is one that both the **hardcore** RPG fans and shooter fans can get behind. Wow, really? How is that not marketing ? Everybody knows this can impossibly be true.

IGN should have recused itself from reviewing ME3 because one of their former employees (Jessica Chobot) was hired to do a a voice over for and be the body and face template of a character in the game. As far as I'm concerned, their review is worthless.

Still, you're surmising that IGN was paid off for their review of ME2. You don't provide any proof. Accusations of bribery are very serious - especially for reviewers. People should have solid evidence available before making such accusations. If there is evidence that reviewers are paid off, I'd like to see it.

     



I think IGN was too busy being Bioware fans to say anything bad about the game . but hell the games media is in the pockets of developers as a whole . not just Bioware

[Weskerr]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I think IGN was too busy being Bioware fans to say anything bad about the game . but hell the games media is in the pockets of developers as a whole . not just Bioware

Well, I found this article that quotes the co-founder of Metacritic, Marc Doyle, as saying "There are many reasons why I would drop somebody [from games review
listings]. There's corruption - people can be bought, absolutely." But he also says that their site adopts the reviews of game reviewers that meet a certain standard of integrity and respect. That IGN is on their site means that it meets their standards of integrity.

Still, information about how game review sites are evaluated for integrity before being put on Metacritic's list is vague:
He commented that MetaCritic's team annually evaluates whose reviews
it adopts - a process it takes very seriously: "It [comes down] to a
number of things: It's the quality of the analysis, the quality of the
writing; do they have an audience; are they respected in the gaming
community... is there a reputation for scoring integrity?"[That means] are they going to give [a game] 4/5 and say it's one of
the best of the year, and then give another game 4/5 and say it's
really a letdown. I've got to see that they're being responsible
internally with that scoring. If they're not - if they're being
irresponsible, or being contrarian or ridiculous, which happens all the
time - I won't pick them up."

I want to know what sites Metacritic considers corrupt and unethical. I'd also like to see examples of gaming review sites that are proven to be corrupt. So far, I haven't been able to find this information.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Weskerr wrote...

SyyRaaaN wrote...

The reviews are part of the marketing. It's obvious. The reviewers aren't even pointing out obvious gamebreaking bugs or flaws.

After the SC2 review i stopped trusting all the review-sites who didn't mention the broken state of battle.net.

Also, this is a classic: In the IGN review of ME2 the reviewer says something like this about the combat in the game: That the combat system is one that both the **hardcore** RPG fans and shooter fans can get behind. Wow, really? How is that not marketing ? Everybody knows this can impossibly be true.

IGN should have recused itself from reviewing ME3 because one of their former employees (Jessica Chobot) was hired to do a a voice over for and be the body and face template of a character in the game. As far as I'm concerned, their review is worthless.

Still, you're surmising that IGN was paid off for their review of ME2. You don't provide any proof. Accusations of bribery are very serious - especially for reviewers. People should have solid evidence available before making such accusations. If there is evidence that reviewers are paid off, I'd like to see it.

I personally don't think it's corruption, more like fear. I've already seen review site being punished for a bad review/note by one having the games not send to them for free and before the release date anymore, so imagine what it would mean for all EA games...
It it was not for that, at least some of the of the reviewer would have been bugged enough to give it less than 8.

[Hizuka]

Well, it appears they did it again. They just chopped out approximately 600 negative reviews, but it appears the positive reviews are untouched.

They axed mine, despite mine listing positive points along with what I disliked.

[Carnage752]

I don't trust Metacritic. I look for the lowest review for the game and then compare it to the other reviews so I can make my own judgement.

[nipsen]

meatsack wrote...
review is devoid of criticism and is simply disruptive, offensive 
material, we’ll remove it."

Huh.. suppose IGN's and Gamespot's reviews are hanging by a thin thread, then.

[feliciano2040]

Anyone who pretends this is a fair action by a company concerned about their review system is deluded, this is nothing more than a bunch of angry suits that are mad that some kids review-bombed their website.

As many have said already, game journalism is a joke, and every Mass Effect 3 review has been proof of that.

[Weskerr]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

SyyRaaaN wrote...

The reviews are part of the marketing. It's obvious. The reviewers aren't even pointing out obvious gamebreaking bugs or flaws.

After the SC2 review i stopped trusting all the review-sites who didn't mention the broken state of battle.net.

Also, this is a classic: In the IGN review of ME2 the reviewer says something like this about the combat in the game: That the combat system is one that both the **hardcore** RPG fans and shooter fans can get behind. Wow, really? How is that not marketing ? Everybody knows this can impossibly be true.

IGN should have recused itself from reviewing ME3 because one of their former employees (Jessica Chobot) was hired to do a a voice over for and be the body and face template of a character in the game. As far as I'm concerned, their review is worthless.

Still, you're surmising that IGN was paid off for their review of ME2. You don't provide any proof. Accusations of bribery are very serious - especially for reviewers. People should have solid evidence available before making such accusations. If there is evidence that reviewers are paid off, I'd like to see it.

I personally don't think it's corruption, more like fear. I've already seen review site being punished for a bad review/note by one having the games not send to them for free and before the release date anymore, so imagine what it would mean for all EA games...
It it was not for that, at least some of the of the reviewer would have been bugged enough to give it less than 8.

If that's true, then I would call that corrupt too. If a game company wants to give a reviewer a free, pre release game then that's their perogative. The reviewer's objectivity shouldn't be affected by gifts or a lack thereof, however.

[Xardasster]

Well, in top of all that hate, I would like to say something to Bioware team... You guys did an exceptionally good job on ME3, even though it's quite different to ME1 and ME2, I still fell in love with it, you certainly did not disappoint.

The thing with being awesome RPG games developer is you have to prepare for the hate which nowadays seems to be something like a trend. Gamers are becoming haters and it's sad to see the way things are at the moment. True Bioware fans will be always with you, keep up the good work.

[Almostfaceman]

Xardasster wrote...

Well, in top of all that hate, I would like to say something to Bioware team... You guys did an exceptionally good job on ME3, even though it's quite different to ME1 and ME2, I still fell in love with it, you certainly did not disappoint.

The thing with being awesome RPG games developer is you have to prepare for the hate which nowadays seems to be something like a trend. Gamers are becoming haters and it's sad to see the way things are at the moment. True Bioware fans will be always with you, keep up the good work.

No, you don't get to classify anyone who doesn't agree with you as a "hater". Just as I don't get to classify anyone who doesn't agree with me as a "b i o d r o n e". This is how communication shuts down and people stop listening to one another, when we reduce people into simple-minded categories.

And they can shut down all the negative reviews in the world, it will still have an impact on future sales, because people really are disappointed in the product. There's no substitute for success folks. 

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 13 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Lost respect for Metacritic, even though every game out there gets down-rated by people who dislike it, censorship for the sake of censorship is

[Weskerr]

Xardasster wrote...

Well, in top of all that hate, I would like to say something to Bioware team... You guys did an exceptionally good job on ME3, even though it's quite different to ME1 and ME2, I still fell in love with it, you certainly did not disappoint.

The thing with being awesome RPG games developer is you have to prepare for the hate which nowadays seems to be something like a trend. Gamers are becoming haters and it's sad to see the way things are at the moment. True Bioware fans will be always with you, keep up the good work.

I hate when people pull the "I remember when things were better back in the day" card. Not only are you wrong, but you're also entirely missing the point.

[wesr]

[/quote]

I personally don't think it's corruption, more like fear. I've already seen review site being punished for a bad review/note by one having the games not send to them for free and before the release date anymore, so imagine what it would mean for all EA games...
It it was not for that, at least some of the of the reviewer would have been bugged enough to give it less than 8.[/quote]

I've heard about that a lot too. No good review no stuff to review, the movie industry does it all the time. I think the game industry was always that way but now we just hear about it. I did my review at metacritic so we'll see how long it lasts. Anymore amazon and retailers are the only place to do reviews that are less likely to be censored.

[feliciano2040]

Weskerr wrote...

Xardasster wrote...

Well, in top of all that hate, I would like to say something to Bioware team... You guys did an exceptionally good job on ME3, even though it's quite different to ME1 and ME2, I still fell in love with it, you certainly did not disappoint.

The thing with being awesome RPG games developer is you have to prepare for the hate which nowadays seems to be something like a trend. Gamers are becoming haters and it's sad to see the way things are at the moment. True Bioware fans will be always with you, keep up the good work.

I hate when people pull the "I remember when things were better back in the day" card. Not only are you wrong, but you're also entirely missing the point.

That doesn't mean people should shut up and not voice their concerns or their complaints, why make a forum if you don't want people to complain ? Why censor people's opinions whenever the developer is criticized ? If so many haters are wrong about so many things in regards to the EA / Bioware relationship, then why not properly call them on their own arguments instead of deleting comments and locking threads both on the forum and on social networks ?

I'm pretty sure I'll love Mass Effect 3 when I play it, Bioware has a special touch to making videogames that you can clearly notice by merely seeing the promo videos on youtube, it looks amazing, and it probably plays and feels amazing.

That doesn't mean we're "haters" and "whiners" because we feel we do not owe any loyalty to a company who's taking our money (a large amount) or because we think credit's due where it's due.

Modifié par feliciano2040, 13 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Zcorck]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Wow, that's terrible. Definitely. The review bombing needs to stop anyway. Those trolls really don't do gamers justice by acting so immature.

True, but if someone is serious about checking user reviews on a game, they would/should know to check out the individual reviewer's review instead of the overall score whether it be overall negative or positive.

[TheSnappyDude]

  as long as they delete reviews that are going over the line or reviews of people who say they didnt beat the game Im fine with it, getting rid of honest opinions is another story.

[Weskerr]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Xardasster wrote...

Well, in top of all that hate, I would like to say something to Bioware team... You guys did an exceptionally good job on ME3, even though it's quite different to ME1 and ME2, I still fell in love with it, you certainly did not disappoint.

The thing with being awesome RPG games developer is you have to prepare for the hate which nowadays seems to be something like a trend. Gamers are becoming haters and it's sad to see the way things are at the moment. True Bioware fans will be always with you, keep up the good work.

I hate when people pull the "I remember when things were better back in the day" card. Not only are you wrong, but you're also entirely missing the point.

That doesn't mean people should shut up and not voice their concerns or their complaints, why make a forum if you don't want people to complain ? Why censor people's opinions whenever the developer is criticized ? If so many haters are wrong about so many things in regards to the EA / Bioware relationship, then why not properly call them on their own arguments instead of deleting comments and locking threads both on the forum and on social networks ?

I'm pretty sure I'll love Mass Effect 3 when I play it, Bioware has a special touch to making videogames that you can clearly notice by merely seeing the promo videos on youtube, it looks amazing, and it probably plays and feels amazing.

That doesn't mean we're "haters" and "whiners" because we feel we do not owe any loyalty to a company who's taking our money (a large amount) or because we think credit's due where it's due.

Not sure if you're referring to me or the poster I quoted. I'm on your side, man.

[Zcorck]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Wow, that's terrible. Definitely. The review bombing needs to stop anyway. Those trolls really don't do gamers justice by acting so immature.

True, but if someone is serious about checking user reviews on a game, they would/should know to check out the individual reviewer's review instead of the overall score whether it be overall negative or positive.

If all a person's review amounts to is "I &#(*# hate this game! Bioware sux ______(insert other nonsensical babble)!" then I think it's safe to say it should be removed. There's a difference between critiquing something substantially and validating your opinions with actual information than what most of those people are doing, most likely out of impulse. Now, if they are just removing the low scores and not allowing the coherent ones to remain, I can sympathize, but as a reviewer myself, otherwise no. I don't put much stock in Metacritic as it is.

EDIT: I have checked the site, and they do in fact leave low scores for user reviews that have been substantial up there. This person, for instance, gave the game a 4 out of 10:

"I have been looking forward to this game for two years, I have never been so disapointed with a game ending. As the end of a trilogy I expected the resolution of the reaper plot, and Commander Shepard's story. This story has captivated me for at least 100 hours over the past several years. In fact, I bought my Xbox 360 to play this series. The ending of this game invalidates all the choices the character/player has made over three games. Not only that the resolution deviates from the theme of the series in a strange presenting choices that seem to contradict the message about the power of individuals to shape their own future. Characters and entire alien races we've grown to love over the course of the games are then summarily railroaded into a convenient ending with not further exposistion on their ultimate fate regardelss of what the player has done over the trilogy." 

EDIT Again lol: They even have left user reviews of players who rated the game 1 or even 0 out of 10, which are substantial and coherently written. 

I completely agree, and glad that the substantial and coherently written reviews aren't being removed despite suspect scores.
I prolly could've/should've done this research myself but I don't use metacritic at all. :innocent:
So thanks for confirming that for me! 

[jamesp81]

Hizuka wrote...

Well, it appears they did it again. They just chopped out approximately 600 negative reviews, but it appears the positive reviews are untouched.

They axed mine, despite mine listing positive points along with what I disliked.

And yet it's still scoring a miserable 3.5 as of 0730 CDT.  This ought to tell us something.

Modifié par jamesp81, 13 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[feliciano2040]

Weskerr wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Xardasster wrote...

Well, in top of all that hate, I would like to say something to Bioware team... You guys did an exceptionally good job on ME3, even though it's quite different to ME1 and ME2, I still fell in love with it, you certainly did not disappoint.

The thing with being awesome RPG games developer is you have to prepare for the hate which nowadays seems to be something like a trend. Gamers are becoming haters and it's sad to see the way things are at the moment. True Bioware fans will be always with you, keep up the good work.

I hate when people pull the "I remember when things were better back in the day" card. Not only are you wrong, but you're also entirely missing the point.

That doesn't mean people should shut up and not voice their concerns or their complaints, why make a forum if you don't want people to complain ? Why censor people's opinions whenever the developer is criticized ? If so many haters are wrong about so many things in regards to the EA / Bioware relationship, then why not properly call them on their own arguments instead of deleting comments and locking threads both on the forum and on social networks ?

I'm pretty sure I'll love Mass Effect 3 when I play it, Bioware has a special touch to making videogames that you can clearly notice by merely seeing the promo videos on youtube, it looks amazing, and it probably plays and feels amazing.

That doesn't mean we're "haters" and "whiners" because we feel we do not owe any loyalty to a company who's taking our money (a large amount) or because we think credit's due where it's due.

Not sure if you're referring to me or the poster I quoted. I'm on your side, man.

I thought you WEREN'T on my side  ! Apologies.

[The Razman]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Anyone who pretends this is a fair action by a company concerned about their review system is deluded, this is nothing more than a bunch of angry suits that are mad that some kids review-bombed their website.

As many have said already, game journalism is a joke, and every Mass Effect 3 review has been proof of that.

You act as if it's only reviews from big journalism companies which liked Mass Effect 3. Nobody's more trustworthy than Rock Paper Shotgun, and they liked it.

[StabGuy]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys please quit the name calling. Whatever you think of 4chan, insulting people is not the way to express that.

And to answer an earlier comment, BioWare does not dictate how Metacritic runs their site, but we hope they will remove all erroneous or baseless reviews, no matter what the score is.

Lastly, I think that every fanbase has similar issues to the ones we are dealing with (and by we I'm counting you guys). Perhaps the issues in our community are getting reported on by the press more than others, but as someone who frequently looks at other gaming communities, I assure you, we're not alone in this problem of trolling and negativity. Mainly, I regard it as a side effect of being very passionate about something and that can sometimes lead to anger. Sometimes it just leads to awesome fan art

It is my personal desire Metacritic will uphold this policy for all entertainment on their site as accurate user reviews are very helpful for many when it comes to making consumer decisions.

Sounds like you've thought about this quite a bit.