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[Super.Sid]

@Chris : You simply cannot deny that fanrage over the ending.Fans have been wanting an answer.

Modifié par Super.Sid, 07 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[P1NG]

If so many people are 100% behind the game then why aren't their equal number of people posting their own user reviews? If you are taking to time to check the site, get upset about someone else's opinion that you find invalid, but instead of posting your opinion (which would change the score to possibly favor what you think it should be) you come here to whine that they are all trolls and haters.

[Omega Riddler]

Review Bombing or whatever it is called needs to stop it does nothing but harm the industry

[ChipSet]

Mesina2 wrote...

I have a question.

Who cares about Metacritic?

Haters and fanboys?

[Persephone]

P1NG wrote...

If so many people are 100% behind the game then why aren't their equal number of people posting their own user reviews?

Because...uh....they are PLAYING the game rather than wasting their time on the Internet. Hate is a mug bigger motivator, sadly. Especially unreasonable hate.

[Maria Caliban]

If Metacritic actually cleaned out useless reviews, half their database would be wiped out.

[devSin]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I would also say that no game deserves a zero and certainly not ME3. I can remember a semi-truck driving game where, among other problems, you could drive infinitely fast in revers, drive up the side of mountains, and have your head & tail lights leave your truck. This game only rated a 2 on metacritic, but it still wasn't a zero.

Figures you'd try to defend the game that gave you the inspiration for the Mako.

Maria Caliban wrote...

If Metacritic actually cleaned out useless reviews, half their database would be wiped out.

Without any way to verify ownership and actually having played the game, all their reviews are useless. All this is is simply comparative uselessness.

I wouldn't want to be the person to decide which were so useless as to not even deserve to exist, but I guess they feel comfortable picking only what they want others to see. Best of luck with that.

Modifié par devSin, 07 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[Fairhammer]

Chris Priestly wrote...

As Jarrett mentioned, there were cases of people who had created accounts under names of BioWare staff and gave ME3 a zero. There were also cases that definitely were people deliberately trying to hurt ME3 for whatever reason without any actual validity to their complaint. 

Read the threads about the endings and you may understand....
There are the validations you may or may not seek!

[stonbw1]

Just for curiosity sake, I wonder what game Chris feels would merit a 10?

I know lots of folks would give Ocarina of Time a clear 10? But I agree that a "10" should blow your socks off.

[aries1001]

For Metacritic, couldn't the solution be that if you hadn't rated say like 3 or 5 games? in the past, your vote simply does not count?

As for users bashing a game on Metacritic, this seems to be going on a lot these days, doen't it?

And there's no way it is OK to impersonate others on Metacritic or other sites....

As for no games deserves a zero, let me introduce you to a little game called Daikata, where even the demo 10 years ago were unplayable...

edit:

And by that comparision I mean that a game that deserves a zero (0) is nearly unplayable, you do not, as I see it, give a game a zero (0) because you don't like the endings in the game. As said otherwise, I've noted that what people don't like are  the open endings in the game that maybe or maybe not set the game up for dlcs or expansions. I fully understand why people want some sort of closure in the story, but this game, ME3 and this universe, the ME universe, won't be getting a happy ending soon. A sad and bleak ending seems to be be appropriate for the ME games.

Modifié par aries1001, 07 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Fairhammer]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

As Jarrett mentioned, there were cases of people who had created accounts under names of BioWare staff and gave ME3 a zero. There were also cases that definitely were people deliberately trying to hurt ME3 for whatever reason without any actual validity to their complaint. However, it is possible that some "real" reviews were also deleted and this is wrong.

I can fully agree with this part, but for me, as a very loyal customer from BioWare over a long time (I liked even DA2), Mass Effect 3 means not a great game, but a very great disappointment. If I would have to give a score on Metacritic (don't get me wrong, I have no account there), I would give 0 points too. 

Why?

Because many of your promises were broken, because the terrible ending of ME3 ruins the entire franchise for me an I've spent a lot of time and money for a couple of games and DLC that I will never play again. The most important feature of ME for me was its story, and every story is only as good as its end. For me and many others the ending of ME3 is a unbelievable disaster and I can't understand that you really think people would like it. There's absolutely no sense for me to play a ME title again, and that's very sad.

Excuse my bad English and please, don't take it personal.

Actually I would like to have, like many other people, too,  a statement from Mr Hudson about ME3 in general and all the things people are complaining about. Including a statement about the endings!

Modifié par Fairhammer, 07 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

I can fully agree with this part, but for me, as a very loyal customer from BioWare over a long time (I liked even DA2), Mass Effect 3 means not a great game, but a very great disappointment. If I would have to give a score on Metacritic (don't get me wrong, I have no account there), I would give 0 points too. 

Why?

Because many of your promises were broken, because the terrible ending of ME3 ruins the entire franchise for me an I've spent a lot of time and money for a couple of games and DLC that I will never play again. The most important feature of ME for me was its story, and every story is only as good as its end. For me and many others the ending of ME3 is a unbelievable disaster and I can't understand that you really think people would like it. There's absolutely no sense for me to play a ME title again, and that's very sad.

Excuse my bad English and please, don't take it personal.

Are you saying that no game can ever get worse than ME3? That's what I see when I see a score of 0.

If not, I don't think you're being particularly fair. It's your prerogative to do what you like, but it's mine to ascribe some amount of value to your opinion, and if you rate the game a 0 based on one single aspect out of the entirety of the game, I (personally) wouldn't give your judgment much weight at all.

[Kinkaku]

Hahaha about damn time Metacritic did that..

[Super.Sid]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

I can fully agree with this part, but for me, as a very loyal customer from BioWare over a long time (I liked even DA2), Mass Effect 3 means not a great game, but a very great disappointment. If I would have to give a score on Metacritic (don't get me wrong, I have no account there), I would give 0 points too. 

Why?

Because many of your promises were broken, because the terrible ending of ME3 ruins the entire franchise for me an I've spent a lot of time and money for a couple of games and DLC that I will never play again. The most important feature of ME for me was its story, and every story is only as good as its end. For me and many others the ending of ME3 is a unbelievable disaster and I can't understand that you really think people would like it. There's absolutely no sense for me to play a ME title again, and that's very sad.

Excuse my bad English and please, don't take it personal.

Are you saying that no game can ever get worse than ME3? That's what I see when I see a score of 0.

If not, I don't think you're being particularly fair. It's your prerogative to do what you like, but it's mine to ascribe some amount of value to your opinion, and if you rate the game a 0 based on one single aspect out of the entirety of the game, I (personally) wouldn't give your judgment much weight at all.

The ending is the most important part of a book,movie or game coz it has so much power.

[hoorayforicecream]

Super.Sid wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

I can fully agree with this part, but for me, as a very loyal customer from BioWare over a long time (I liked even DA2), Mass Effect 3 means not a great game, but a very great disappointment. If I would have to give a score on Metacritic (don't get me wrong, I have no account there), I would give 0 points too. 

Why?

Because many of your promises were broken, because the terrible ending of ME3 ruins the entire franchise for me an I've spent a lot of time and money for a couple of games and DLC that I will never play again. The most important feature of ME for me was its story, and every story is only as good as its end. For me and many others the ending of ME3 is a unbelievable disaster and I can't understand that you really think people would like it. There's absolutely no sense for me to play a ME title again, and that's very sad.

Excuse my bad English and please, don't take it personal.

Are you saying that no game can ever get worse than ME3? That's what I see when I see a score of 0.

If not, I don't think you're being particularly fair. It's your prerogative to do what you like, but it's mine to ascribe some amount of value to your opinion, and if you rate the game a 0 based on one single aspect out of the entirety of the game, I (personally) wouldn't give your judgment much weight at all.

The ending is the most important part of a book,movie or game coz it has so much power.

Yeah, the ending to Tetris really threw me for a loop too.

[Super.Sid]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

I can fully agree with this part, but for me, as a very loyal customer from BioWare over a long time (I liked even DA2), Mass Effect 3 means not a great game, but a very great disappointment. If I would have to give a score on Metacritic (don't get me wrong, I have no account there), I would give 0 points too. 

Why?

Because many of your promises were broken, because the terrible ending of ME3 ruins the entire franchise for me an I've spent a lot of time and money for a couple of games and DLC that I will never play again. The most important feature of ME for me was its story, and every story is only as good as its end. For me and many others the ending of ME3 is a unbelievable disaster and I can't understand that you really think people would like it. There's absolutely no sense for me to play a ME title again, and that's very sad.

Excuse my bad English and please, don't take it personal.

Are you saying that no game can ever get worse than ME3? That's what I see when I see a score of 0.

If not, I don't think you're being particularly fair. It's your prerogative to do what you like, but it's mine to ascribe some amount of value to your opinion, and if you rate the game a 0 based on one single aspect out of the entirety of the game, I (personally) wouldn't give your judgment much weight at all.

The ending is the most important part of a book,movie or game coz it has so much power.

Yeah, the ending to Tetris really threw me for a loop too.

Yes, coz when ur screen got filled up it was game over for u and u had to start over again seeing that your progression went to waste

[rammsoldat]

haha its DR2 all over again.

This is the part where trolls come in and spit bile and the bioware staff respond by insulting troll and legitamate critic alike.

[Maria Caliban]

Yeah, endings count for narratives, but not all games are narratives. (Not all books or movies are either.) Even if we're talking about narratives, I'm not sure the ending is the most important part. It's the conceit of the story, but I'm not going to rate the semotics of something as more important than any other element.

I tend to see 0s and 10s as theoretical states. 0 is the worst imaginable game while 10 is the best imaginable game.

Then again, I don't like rating complex experiences like a AAA game on ten point scales.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Super.Sid]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Yeah, endings count for narratives, but not all games are narratives. (Not all books or movies are either, but that's rare.) Even if we're talking about narratives, I'm not sure the ending is the most important part. It's the conceit of the story, but I'm not going to rate the semotics of something as more important than any other element.

I tend to see 0s and 10s as theoretical states. 0 is the worst imaginable game while 10 is the best imaginable game.

Then again, I don't like rating complex experiences like a AAA game on ten point scales.

Isn't ME3 supposed to be a narrative ?

Introduction : The build up
Mid game : How do u plan tactics ?
End game : How do u execute your plans ?
Conclusion : Were you successful ?

[JaegerBane]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I would also say that no game deserves a zero and certainly not ME3. I can remember a semi-truck driving game where, among other problems, you could drive infinitely fast in revers, drive up the side of mountains, and have your head & tail lights leave your truck. This game only rated a 2 on metacritic, but it still wasn't a zero.

To be fair Chris, Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing only got that two because it sat squarely in the 'so bad it's good' territory, its the Plan 9 From Outer Space of games

[hoorayforicecream]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

No, of course not. You don't get me right. How shall I say? The 0 reflects not the objective quality of the work of BioWare, but my personal deep dissappointment about the broken promises, the lost money and the ruined franchise. In a certain manner, it's a compliment for BioWare, because the loss of something somebody loves hurts a lot more then the loss of something uninteresting. With a satisfying ending for me, the ME trilogy would be one of my alltime favourites, but with this lack of closure it's absolutely useless to me.

And please note: I didn't score the game at metacritics. I'm talking only about my feelings here. I hope I could make myself clear.

As I said... you're perfectly within your rights to express your disappointment. But if I were to look at your rating and your reasoning, then I would still say the same thing - your rating of the game is not useful to me, because you're using a single element of a huge game to judge the entire thing. I might find your opinion on the ending useful, but when it comes to deciding whether to purchase a game (which is what reviews are generally for), your score of 0 is practically useless.

Edit: Tetris is not a story-driven game, so the comparison sucks. <_<

The poster I responded to did not in any way qualify his terms. He said book, movie, or game. Not story-driven game, not RPG, just game. I don't find that the ending of a cookbook or a reference manual to be particularly powerful either. He's still just as wrong now as he was when he said it.

[AkiKishi]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

I can fully agree with this part, but for me, as a very loyal customer from BioWare over a long time (I liked even DA2), Mass Effect 3 means not a great game, but a very great disappointment. If I would have to give a score on Metacritic (don't get me wrong, I have no account there), I would give 0 points too. 

Why?

Because many of your promises were broken, because the terrible ending of ME3 ruins the entire franchise for me an I've spent a lot of time and money for a couple of games and DLC that I will never play again. The most important feature of ME for me was its story, and every story is only as good as its end. For me and many others the ending of ME3 is a unbelievable disaster and I can't understand that you really think people would like it. There's absolutely no sense for me to play a ME title again, and that's very sad.

Excuse my bad English and please, don't take it personal.

Are you saying that no game can ever get worse than ME3? That's what I see when I see a score of 0.

If not, I don't think you're being particularly fair. It's your prerogative to do what you like, but it's mine to ascribe some amount of value to your opinion, and if you rate the game a 0 based on one single aspect out of the entirety of the game, I (personally) wouldn't give your judgment much weight at all.

And ending worse than ME3.....

"Commander Shepard wake-up" - The End

And I'm even torn on that one.

There are often times when a single feature or bug can kill a game.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 07 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[Maria Caliban]

Super.Sid wrote...

Isn't ME3 supposed to be a narrative ?

Yes. At least, I assume it is, and I plan to judge it on its narrative qualities.

BobSmith101 wrote...

And ending worse than ME3.....

"Commander Shepard wake-up" - The End

And I'm even torn on that one.

Mulholland Drive.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 mars 2012 - 07:40 .