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[Fishy]

DaJe wrote...

So are they only doing that for ME3 are all games that they are listing?
And will that also applied to 10/10 reviews before a game is out or reviews like "10/10 yay gay pride gay pride gay pride gay pride..."? I have nothing against same sex romance in the game at all but a review like that is garbage as well.

It is quite suspicious that this happens now...

I can make a review for MW3 .. I never played the game though

0/10

This game sucks. Don't BUY IT .. THey will MILK you with DLC AND DLC AND DLC .. OMG .. Activision just want your money!! IT'''''''''S SCCCCCCRIPPPPPTED .. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING and not FUN!!  the ending is sooooooooooooooooooooooo sucky!! OMGESS! DEUX ex machina!!!!!! OH YEAHHHHH! don't buy it d00d and every other d00d... DO NOT!!!!! Keep yer MONIES!! The multiplayer is only played by 13 years old ... OMGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEESS .. MW3 IS HORRIBLE and every  pro review were paid by activision .. I KNOW!!! D0000000000000000000000000000000D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gatt9]

AlexXIV wrote...

I1 Trust wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

You tell me what user reviews are for? Why even have a rating system if you only accept perfect reviews? The only reason why the negitive reviews were removed is because the squeeky wheel gets the grease. And EA was squeeking!

Metacritic is doing the right thing removing these "reviews".
But yeah, EA is definitely getting a special treatment. Metacritic never did this for any other game before. <_<

Because people freak out. If metacritic want to maintain some sort of integrity they have to clean out the trash. Not sure if that ever happened before but obviously alot of people are mad that ME is no RPG. Bioware never even said it is an RPG. They sell it as a hybrid or shooter with RPG elements. And then you get some smartass that makes a thread 'Review from a hardcore RPer'. Hardcore seriously? It's not an RPG. I'd like to shout 'Get out of here and review CoD!'

Really, if Bioware decides they want to make this kind of game then people should let them and either buy and play or not. But not freak out because they want Bioware to make an RPG when Bioware doesn't want to.

Actually,  they do,  and they have before. Also...

-ME3 was being bombed.  Earlier today the PC review section had a number of reviews that consisted of nothing more than strings of unicode characters and/or a word pasted over and over.

-It's common knowledge that EA's primary concern is the Metacritic score,  this is a way for people to get a message to them that they aren't happy with the direction of the studio.  This impacts EA's bottom line.  It's dirty pool,  but this is what the Industry has sunk to because of the stagnation.

-You're making the assertion that Bioware doesn't want to make RPG's,  this assumes EA had no influence on the development.  Project $10 and Online Pass give evidence that EA did have influence,  and so your statement cannot be proven true (Or false).

Edit:  Before anyone accuses me of being part of the bomb,  look in my post history and read my first impressions Chris locked.

Modifié par Gatt9, 07 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[AkiKishi]

Alien1099 wrote...
 I guess you don't know what an honest review is. You barely get past the initial cinematic after 5 minutes. I am very open and honest when it comes to the shortcomings of various games, movies, and other products. Giving a review after 5 minutes of gameplay is the equivilant of giving a review on a tool or something else with only having handled it and not actually used it. It woudl be like reviewing a car by only opening the door and having a look inside. Your 100k comparison is a joke. Might as well say you need to be married to the car and have babies with it to review it. It makes about as much sense. Nobody said you had to finish the finish a game to give your opinion on it, but if you are going to REVIEW it, you SHOULD finish it or at least play it a lot longer than 5 minutes.

I am the first person to say what a let down and disappointment Dragon Age 2 was for example. Does DA2 deserve a zero? Uh no. Does it deserve a 6.5-7? Yes. Same with the last Aliens vs Predator game. I am a HUGE Aliens fan. AVP was a complete and utter disappointment to me. I only finished the Marine campaign and played the Alien campaign for 20-25 minutes before closing the game forever. I'd still give the game a 6.5. That is a much more honest score on a 1-10 scale.

Giving a game with the scope and scale of ME3 a score of zero or 1 after playing it for 5 minutes is the epitome of dishonesty. The game is not that bad. I can say whatever car you choose to drive is a piece of crap. That does not make it so. Most of the people that gave it zeroes or ones have probably have as much experience with ME3 as I do with whatever car you drive.

I've been playing Bioware games since KotOR. I do not feel betrayed in the slightest with ME3. If that is how you feel, you need to reassess where you are in the world and do something to change that.

Would you honestly give a crap about somebody's opinion on somethin when they haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to using it? So why would their opinion be valid on a review site? I only played Rage for 30 minutes after I paid $60 for it. You don't see me attempting to try and review it. I barely did anything. The most I can say is it was uninteresting and that the prerelease info about the game being sandbox style was dishonest.

Users have no obligation to be fair or balanced or any of that other stuff a user review is just that. I could have told you almost everything about ME3 from the demo.

Bad animation - yep still there
Quality of writing - still the same
Graphics -still the same
Gameplay - same
etc.

The only things that came out of left field were the endings and anyone who wants to score the game 0 based on those has my blessing. They are DIRE , not only do they rip off another popular game, but they are also badly written and full of plot holes.

"space magic" is the term that flies around when you talk about the endings. Oh and starvation and inbreeding. I'll leave it to your imagination how it gets there since this is a non spoiler forum.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 07 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[Rockworm503]

Elton John is dead wrote...



Thank God I don't live in America then. America's laws do not equal the law for all countries. Here in the UK, hate speech is against the law.

I think you got it twisted there my friend.
Just because its legal doesn't mean its accepted.
My mom would smack me if I use any swear word in her prescence.
Doesn't stop me from swearing otherwise.

[Alien1099]

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

You tell me what user reviews are for? Why even have a rating system if you only accept perfect reviews? The only reason why the negitive reviews were removed is because the squeeky wheel gets the grease. And EA was squeeking!

It isn't that they only accept perfect reviews, they are reviewing them for any relavant content. Some nimrod who just posts "Day 1 DLC SUX!!!!!!!" isn't adding anything to the dialog with the reader who wants to know if the game is any good. Plenty of sites are moderated a review the content they will host for usefulness or approriateness.

Please do not bring logic into this discussion.

[DaJe]

Vicex wrote...

At least EA/Bioware are not begging their fans to give a good review like another publisher/developer...

No, they are writing good reviews them self and telling metacritic to delete negative ones.
Let's just see what gets considered "useless" as a review. The outrage will be big. Ok that was more conspiracy theory but the first part is actually true.

The whole game review system has turned into russian elections. Protest gets surpressed while officially everything is great. the power of the mass media.

I'm not saying the game is horrible. But there is heavy protest like for hardly anything else in games, which is directed against Biowares new mainstream direction and EAs business strategy. It must come from something.

[Rockworm503]

Itkovian wrote...

There's a reason being a critic is an actual career. Being a good critic is an actual skillset, and user reviews just simply do not care about such things.

As such, you have situations such as this one, where people will give ridiculously low scores simply because a game does not meet their expectations, or includes a design decision they do not like. There is no regard for the actual quality of the rest of the product nor in rating it objectively.

Add to this the trolls who post negative reviews SPECIFICALLY to drive down its average, and the end result is that we have a completely useless metric which STILL manages to harm the game, as there are still people out there who think user reviews are worth a damn.

Itkovian

Whats really funny is professional reviewers have a new meaning for most people.
Professional reviewer automatically = paid off by devs.

[Rockworm503]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Just for the record I could score ME3 0 just for the endings if I felt so inclined and would not fault anyone who did so.

Another reason to lose the number system.
Honestly you totally miss the entire point of a review.

What if Siskel and Ebert at their prime started going

"lol Matrix has this scene that was stupid I give it a thumbs down it sucks"
"Dude I just dont see it man that part where Neo fought Mr Smith was awesome 2 thumbs up"

thats their review.
Yeah no one would take them seriously.
But your logic says their perfectly fine for saying that and that should be their review.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 07 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[Rockworm503]

BobSmith101 wrote...



In fact I've taken to playing it as an Inferior Final Fantasy, Yay action mode ! 

LOL
My days of taking you seriously are gone.

[AkiKishi]

Rockworm503 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Just for the record I could score ME3 0 just for the endings if I felt so inclined and would not fault anyone who did so.

Another reason to lose the number system.
Honestly you totally miss the entire point of a review.

What if Siskel and Ebert at their prime started going

"lol Matrix has this scene that was stupid I give it a thumbs down it sucks"
"Dude I just dont see it man that part where Neo fought Mr Smith was awesome 2 thumbs up"

thats their review.
Yeah no one would take them seriously.
But your logic says their perfectly fine for saying that and that should be their review.

A user review is not the same as someone who is paid to write a review.The motivation is far more personal and the result will be personal too.

Lets say I read something like "The endings suck" followed by a 0 score. That tells me that someone felt strongly enough about the endings that I should probably look into it. Even a 0 based soley on publisher/developer hate is useful in telling you that at some point they have let down their consumer base.

I find it more useful to know the negatives so I can judge whether or not they will bother me, than I do read something written by a "professional" who covers up those points so he can stay on good terms with the publisher.

[AkiKishi]

Rockworm503 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...



In fact I've taken to playing it as an Inferior Final Fantasy, Yay action mode ! 

LOL
My days of taking you seriously are gone.

You know selective quoting is kind of lame.

If you put the game into action mode will indeed see it plays out like an inferior Final Fantasy.

[Rockworm503]

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Alien1099 wrote...

I don't think it's a matter of lack of integrity like you are insinuating. They simply don't want garbage reviews on their site. It's hard to give a review on a game minutes after it is released, especially if the game is one like ME3 which takes several hours minimum to finish, and even then, you'd have to probably skip a ton of dialogue, so who is being dishonest? Metacritic, or the jackasses that you believe should have "free speech" on their forum?

If some one pays $60+ for a game and hates it in 5 minutes they are entitled to their opnion. Forcing some one to play the entire game even though they hate it is stupid. Thats like saying you need to drive a new car 100k miles before you write a review.

If you admit it or not the game is a far cry from Biowares past work. The game is obviously influnced by EA and I am 100% sure we would be playing a totally different game if Bioware were still their own company.

A lot of long time Bioware fans feel betrayed and they should be entitled to their opnion!

I understand.
You're angry all your metacritic scores were taken off.
But there is a difference between giving a game a review and bombing 0s just to spite a company you feel betrayed you.
Anyone who is only going to play 5 minutes and decide that the game sucks out of 5 minutes of play deserves their opinion but they don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Its amazing how often I have to explain this 

[corporate-slave]

Interesting experiment for those that claim the Metacritic scores are being gamed by haters. Visit Metacritic, view past game reviews by those posting 0s, and then by those posting 9s and 10s.

Result? The 9s and 10s are quite frequently accounts with just one product review. Those posting low scores quite frequently have multiple product reviews (well, at least the ones that remain after the cleansing).

I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to what this means.

DISCLOSURE: I do not own ME2 or ME3, as I was turned off by Bioware's streamlining efforts across their game franchises. I am not here to troll, but instead to see how people have reacted to Bioware's conclusion to the series. This will be my only post in these forums, so do not bother responding to me directly.

[Rockworm503]

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Great so they take the right of free speech away because EA complained?

By all rights complain.
Just don't call it a review if you didn't even play the game.
I hate this first day DLC business but I'm not going to take that hatred and write a review aroud it...

How do you know if they played the game or not? I registered my game on Orgin and guess what it didnt register here. The only way I knew to register it here is because I Bioware employee told me you have to register in both places. Which is very redundant!

And as I stated to the other guy with the the first 5 minutes of the game your in combat. You either like the game or hate it. Playing a game you hate for the next 40hrs is not going to change a persons mind.

Because these reviews were coming out before the game.
Either their dirty liars or their pirates.

And if their mind is made up 5 minutes into the game then they have no business reviewing the game.
Thats rediculous.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 07 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[Aaleel]

They need to get rid of scores all together, professional and user. Just write about the game on its merits and be done. What was good and what was bad. WTH do you need a score for?

[Rockworm503]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Just for the record I could score ME3 0 just for the endings if I felt so inclined and would not fault anyone who did so.

Another reason to lose the number system.
Honestly you totally miss the entire point of a review.

What if Siskel and Ebert at their prime started going

"lol Matrix has this scene that was stupid I give it a thumbs down it sucks"
"Dude I just dont see it man that part where Neo fought Mr Smith was awesome 2 thumbs up"

thats their review.
Yeah no one would take them seriously.
But your logic says their perfectly fine for saying that and that should be their review.

A user review is not the same as someone who is paid to write a review.The motivation is far more personal and the result will be personal too.

Lets say I read something like "The endings suck" followed by a 0 score. That tells me that someone felt strongly enough about the endings that I should probably look into it. Even a 0 based soley on publisher/developer hate is useful in telling you that at some point they have let down their consumer base.

I find it more useful to know the negatives so I can judge whether or not they will bother me, than I do read something written by a "professional" who covers up those points so he can stay on good terms with the publisher.

Than why are they called reviews?
I hold them the same standards as professional reviewers because people are treating them like that.
When "OMG FIRST DAY DLC IS STUPID AND THIS GAME SUXXSS 0"  Has more merit than someone talking about the entire game and giving us their full impressions on it than there is something wrong with our society.
Really.
you're really going to take someone who bombs the game with a 0 because of one aspect of the game more seriously then someone who tells you everything about the game?
Thats pathetic no matter how you slice it.
Its dishonest and I can't believe people are behind that!

[Rockworm503]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...



In fact I've taken to playing it as an Inferior Final Fantasy, Yay action mode ! 

LOL
My days of taking you seriously are gone.

You know selective quoting is kind of lame.

If you put the game into action mode will indeed see it plays out like an inferior Final Fantasy.

Just as lame as treating an option like its forced on you I guess.

If you put it in action mode.
Funny how Final Fantasy doesn't even have that option.

[Jononarf]

Oh my god I checked metacritic on day 1 and said to myself, nothing out of the 250 (on March 6th) user reviews were anywhere constructive and litterally just spam. 

I'm glad they decided to clean out some of the negativity for something that was only 5 hours old at the time.

[kingjezza]

Aaleel wrote...

They need to get rid of scores all together, professional and user. Just write about the game on its merits and be done. What was good and what was bad. WTH do you need a score for?

This.

Both are utterly pointless and seriously corrupted (94, dragon age 2, pc gamer, anybody?) on both sides of the coin, users and pros.

[orbit991]

Meh, there are plenty of pointless 10's in there as well. No review, just people ranting about those posting 0's. Those rants however have not been taken down, which is a bit tacky.

[tch2296]

Cody211282 wrote...

Honestly I think the game deserves to be review bombed(I think its a 5 but all thecritic reviews are way to high). I wouldn't say it's DA2 bad, but that's only because DA2 came first.

OT: I wonder how long that policy has been in effect for?

Newsflash: that's because you have ****** POOR taste in gaming. It should say something to you that professional game critics who REVIEW GAMES FOR A LIVING have rated the game, on average, better than a 9 out of 10.

Maybe it is a 5 or you, but that is because your tastes in gaming are so out of line with the mainstream, and with people who have genuine taste in games, that your opinion is not worth voicing; NOBODY CARES! You probably haven't even played the game! You're probably one of the people bombing the reviews on Metacritic!

How about you write even a 1000 word review EXPLAINING WHY you think the game sucks? Guarantee you can't, and if you did I guarantee it would be a laughable piece of trash.

I kind of pity people like you, but at least I get a good laugh out of your kind.

Modifié par tch2296, 08 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Aaleel wrote...

They need to get rid of scores all together, professional and user. Just write about the game on its merits and be done. What was good and what was bad. WTH do you need a score for?

Because there are far far far too many places to get reviews these days. It's an oversaturation of information. Say you want to cross check different sources to get a better sample opinion? It will take you a good hour or two PER GAME to go through those reviews if they aren't rushed.

It's an inefficient method but it's really all the system has to allow users to pick up the finer points quickly and move on. Which is why most professional reviews include a quick "Pro's/Con's" summary list near the score. To get users in and out as fast as possible while still keeping them back for their next reviews.

[WizenSlinky0]

tch2296 wrote...

Newsflash: that's because you have ****** POOR taste in gaming. It should say something to you that professional game critics who REVIEW GAMES FOR A LIVING have rated the game, on average, better than a 9 out of 10.

Maybe it is a 5 or you, but that is because your tastes in gaming are so out of line with the mainstream, and with people who have genuine taste in games, that your opinion is not worth voicing; NOBODY CARES! You probably haven't even played the game! You're probably one of the people bombing the reviews on Metacritic!

How about you write even a 1000 word review EXPLAINING WHY you think the game sucks? Guarantee you can't, and if you did I guarantee it would be a laughable piece of trash.

I kind of pity people like you, but at least I get a good laugh out of your kind.

Do you really have to insult him? All it does is detract from your arguments. Do you honestly trust professional reviews that much? I don't. I don't trust user reviews either. I honestly think if you average them you get a much better picture of the whole thing. Game experiences are subjective. Your "taste" in games is no better than anybodies else and if you honestly believe it's better because it's "mainstream" and "more people like it" then I can't help but think you're just following the crowds whims.

Professional reviews are basically paid opinion journalists. That's all. If you're lucky enough to find one that shares your exact taste in games you're golden but the chance is slim. Plus, they do not approach games from the same general standpoint as players. Players (as a whole collective) are more likely to find all the bugs in a game to paint a bigger picture of how it works functionally. It's entirely possible for a reviewer to go through and miss almost every bug out of luck or rushing or what have you. They also need high turnover on their reviews which can lead to some cut corners like side-quests and other content. Not to mention a lot of times the reviews have no real passion or investement in the characters. They can't always give an impression for how it will affect a fan who cares.

They will often treat them as you said, as their job. And you treat your job and your entertainment very differently!

Honestly the current review models for both professionals and players is broken. Functional, but broken. If you take both sides with a grain of salt you will get a more accurate picture before you purchase.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 08 mars 2012 - 12:20 .

[Soulwatcher1974]

Aaleel wrote...

They need to get rid of scores all together, professional and user. Just write about the game on its merits and be done. What was good and what was bad. WTH do you need a score for?

People buy games based on review score. Its only obvious the pros are going to give a good review no matter what they truly think of the game. Look what happen to the last guy who gave a honest review over at gamespot. SE complained so bad that they fired the guy and had a new guy praise the game. Thats hardly fair to the consumer!

[Rockworm503]

tch2296 wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Honestly I think the game deserves to be review bombed(I think its a 5 but all thecritic reviews are way to high). I wouldn't say it's DA2 bad, but that's only because DA2 came first.

OT: I wonder how long that policy has been in effect for?

Newsflash: that's because you have ****** POOR taste in gaming. It should say something to you that professional game critics who REVIEW GAMES FOR A LIVING have rated the game, on average, better than a 9 out of 10.

Maybe it is a 5 or you, but that is because your tastes in gaming are so out of line with the mainstream, and with people who have genuine taste in games, that your opinion is not worth voicing; NOBODY CARES! You probably haven't even played the game! You're probably one of the people bombing the reviews on Metacritic!

How about you write even a 1000 word review EXPLAINING WHY you think the game sucks? Guarantee you can't, and if you did I guarantee it would be a laughable piece of trash.

I kind of pity people like you, but at least I get a good laugh out of your kind.

It's always entertaining watching someone beg to get banned.