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[ReveurIngenu]

Ok, so I'm not that far into the game yet.  Barely got to the Citadel and spoke to the council or whatever.

What I don't get is why Shepard expects the other races to help the Earth when their own planets are being attacked.  Is there a better explanation to this later on?  Because frankly, it is pretentious of humans to think the other worlds would abandon their own planets to help fight for the Earth.  What's in it for them?

I totally understood their positions.  The humans (Shepard and Udina's) request seemed to be so egotistical.  Why oh why do they feel like Earth is the only planet worth fighting for?  They must be stupid to think other races would stop defending their planets and just go fight for Earth.

Ugghh..  Tell me I'm missing something here.  The Reapers have attacked the Turian planet and the Turians promise their help if you extract one of theirs.  Why again?  Why would the Turians abandon their planet just because Shepard gets one high up off a moon?  What exactly does that change?

I must be missing something here but I just don't understand the humans' reasonings or requests AT ALL.  How pretentious to think that only they matter and that only their stupid little planet matters.  Even more stupid is them EXPECTING the other races to feel the same way.

Modifié par ReveurIngenu, 07 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Taleroth]

You're missing stuff.

Shepard's not expecting people to drop everything. Well, maybe he is if you play Renegade. He still needs help. And Earth is still at the worst of it. The Turians aren't promising to drop everything if you rescue the Primarch, it's just the first step in organizing everyone.

[PrinceLionheart]

The blunt of the reaper invasion is attacking earth. After earth falls, they're going to go after every other world, picking them off one-by-one.

[Sargerus]

Earth is the ground zero of Reaper invasion and most of them are in there.

[Kyrgsh]

Well I do understand the humans' desire to get as much help as they can get, the turian homeworld and moon look pretty darned devastated to me- and that's just the first non-human planet I went to. In fact, their political leadership has been decimated, and the new head of their race is a General literally plucked from the battlefield. While- maybe- Earth is bearing the brunt of the Reaper attack, the other races are pretty bad off too.

Modifié par Kyrgsh, 07 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[mass perfection]

Because getting an armada to Earth was good for the Crucible?......Somehow?

[Swass Effect]

Because I am Commander Shepard and this is my favourite planet in the galaxy. *Cue Krogan Headbutt

[CaptainZaysh]

I always interpreted it as Shepard asking the other races to support Hackett's victory plan, as opposed to those of their own admirals.

[Forst1999]

"Taking earth back" is a sensible goal early on, as it is the only council homeworld that actually has fallen.
And the turians never promised to abandon Palaven if you just extracted the primarch, they do have their own interests in mind. It's just the first step of fighting together instead of dying seperatly.

EDIT: hey, this threat is old.

Modifié par Forst1999, 30 juillet 2013 - 01:08 .

[JamesFaith]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I always interpreted it as Shepard asking the other races to support Hackett's victory plan, as opposed to those of their own admirals.

Me too.

If I remember correct our allies promise help to Crucible operation, Earth became target when Citadel was moved, not before. 


Edit: Ah, missed necrotaste of first posts. 

Modifié par JamesFaith, 30 juillet 2013 - 01:10 .

[Iakus]

"Much as you might love your dog, it's not human/asari/turian/salarian"

[Ledgend1221]

Humanity > all.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Most of the Reapers are concentrated around Earth.

[Tron Mega]

mass perfection wrote...

Because getting an armada to Earth was good for the Crucible?......Somehow?

well, good thing the reapers move the citadel to the sol system over ngiht.

[agentN7]

To return the favour

[BronzTrooper]

OP has a point. And plus, the way that the politicians in ME3 act in response to the Reaper invasion is similar to how the different countries on Earth would react if we were attacked by an advanced alien race. They'd be more worried about their own people that they wouldn't know what to do other than try to help their own. Military leaders would know the score and would know that the best chance for survival is to join forces. However, the politicans would be more concerned with old grudges and past grievances.

As to OP's question: The Reapers are magnitudes more powerful than any one race, including the Turians who have the strongest military in the galaxy. And, as Shepard, Anderson, and Hackett have said: the only way to have a chance of defeating the Reapers is to fight as a galaxy. And the build the Crucible (the device you found the blueprints for on Mars) the Alliance needs every resource it can get and all the top scientists in the galaxy to construct it. When you get to the end of the game, you'll understand why you need the help of the entire galaxy.

The Reapers tend to employ "divide and conquer" tactics to deal with the militaries of the races they are harvesting. That's what they did with the Protheans. They hit the Citadel hard and demolished the Prothean seat of government which sent the Protheans into disarray and thier empire splintered to the point where the only things that the many surviving pieces of the Prothean empire that circulated, were rumors. If you played ME1, then you would know why they didn't hit the Citadel directly in ME3.

When the Reapers invaded, they knew that the different governments wouldn't rush to help the other races while they were under attack and they also thought that no one would try to help the other races to get what they want, especially if it meant that they own world would continue to burn in the meantime.

The thing is, Shepard expects that the leaders of the other races would understand why they needed to band together to fight the Reapers, but that's not what happens at all.

Yes, it doesn't make sense for Shepard to think that the Council would drop everything to help Earth, but that's how it works. Also, the Turians think that Palaven is the most important to protect (I mean the politicians. Not the military leaders). The Salarians think that they can avoid the war all together for the sake of protecting Sur'Kesh. The Asari think Thessia is the most important. And so on. In times of widespread crisis, people will become more selfish than ever. However, this will mostly be out of fear.

A little off topic: The Salarians underestimate the Reapers. The Asari think that Thessia will never fall, though the Matriarchs are worried. The Krogan (if Wreav is in charge) think that only they can defeat the Reapers. The Turians know that the Reapers can't be beaten by a single race.

[ioannisdenton]

Did not read anything. I ll answer with ingame facts:
Cause the alliance had the plans for the crucible initially and they were the ones who started building it. In a way it is an extortion. Space politics.