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[Maugrim]

Siansonea II wrote...

I am concerned that people are saying there's so little variety in the endings, I assumed I had just seen one of many endings. :/

I've only seen the one ending but have read up on the others.  I'm going to take a different one on this playthrough but it sounds like nothing really changes sadly.  Which is probably the worst bit never mind the sadness and sacrifices.

[ADLegend21]

it depends on your effective military strength" for every 1000 you have you get a nother choice. the minimum score before going into the final battle is 1000 so you get one ending. my first game ended in the 2000's so I had two choices. my friend had over 7 K and she had EVERY choice.

[Costello_Anasazi]

IdTheDemon wrote...

There should have been a 4th option providing you did the following:

1) Reputation maxed

2) A very high renegade or paragon bar to fulfill a very high check

3) Krogan truly freed from the Genophage with no Salarian tricks.

4) Ended the war with the Geth and Quarians with peace on both sides.

5) Did a majority of the sidequests

And one of the two:

6) Helped EDI with understanding how to be human and pursue a relationship with Jeff

7) Have a full relationship with someone with ME 1 or 2.

By having done these, you've shown the catalyst the strength of organics. The catalyst would see that perhaps it is wrong and that there must be cycles that are not determined by it but instead by organics. Shepard can then safely destroy all Reapers, is ported down to Earth, and watches as the Reapers pack up and gather towards the Crucible and disintegrate. Various scenes of celebrations are shown, the dead are mourned, former squad mates are remembered, and Shepard holds the hand of his/her lover as the sun sets of a new age (If they died in ME 3, then Shepard holds a frame of them). If no relationship was made, then Jeff and EDI does it.

I just wanted an ending that truly reflected on some of the things we have been building on since the first game. I really, REALLY hope Bioware patches up a new ending because the outrage from this is huge.

Oh and that last scene with the stargazers? Absolutely crap.

   Fully agree.

   The ending had nothing to do with the game I had been playing for the last 2 days and instead ended up being some sort of abstract childish wrap things up with horrible plot holes mess. Turns out even though its the last mass effect and they could have had a full and complete ending we get left with a few stills and Joker flying away from an explosion then landing on some green planet.

  Thats not an ending thats just something that happened to Jacobs father.

[TheSneric]

Costello_Anasazi wrote...

IdTheDemon wrote...

There should have been a 4th option providing you did the following:

1) Reputation maxed

2) A very high renegade or paragon bar to fulfill a very high check

3) Krogan truly freed from the Genophage with no Salarian tricks.

4) Ended the war with the Geth and Quarians with peace on both sides.

5) Did a majority of the sidequests

And one of the two:

6) Helped EDI with understanding how to be human and pursue a relationship with Jeff

7) Have a full relationship with someone with ME 1 or 2.

By having done these, you've shown the catalyst the strength of organics. The catalyst would see that perhaps it is wrong and that there must be cycles that are not determined by it but instead by organics. Shepard can then safely destroy all Reapers, is ported down to Earth, and watches as the Reapers pack up and gather towards the Crucible and disintegrate. Various scenes of celebrations are shown, the dead are mourned, former squad mates are remembered, and Shepard holds the hand of his/her lover as the sun sets of a new age (If they died in ME 3, then Shepard holds a frame of them). If no relationship was made, then Jeff and EDI does it.

I just wanted an ending that truly reflected on some of the things we have been building on since the first game. I really, REALLY hope Bioware patches up a new ending because the outrage from this is huge.

Oh and that last scene with the stargazers? Absolutely crap.

   Fully agree.

   The ending had nothing to do with the game I had been playing for the last 2 days and instead ended up being some sort of abstract childish wrap things up with horrible plot holes mess. Turns out even though its the last mass effect and they could have had a full and complete ending we get left with a few stills and Joker flying away from an explosion then landing on some green planet.

  Thats not an ending thats just something that happened to Jacobs father.

This

[crimsoncobra57]

ADLegend21 wrote...

it depends on your effective military strength" for every 1000 you have you get a nother choice. the minimum score before going into the final battle is 1000 so you get one ending. my first game ended in the 2000's so I had two choices. my friend had over 7 K and she had EVERY choice.

This is simply not true.
I had just shy of 7k strength with 100% Galactic Readiness and I still only had the basic 3 options.

[Ifeus]

I feel I wasted my time playing through the first and second game.. Come on.. Even the 16 different endings is not that different.. I even tortured myself through the ending 3 times and there was not much differences.. Perfect ending is also the same thing only with Shepard hinted being alive.. There are also so many major plot holes..

[shepLJ]

Absolutely hate the ending s- how can you be so right with two fully games - played countless hours in both one and two - totally excited for ME3 - everything brilliant until the endings - whoever you hired to advise you on the endings - FIRE THEM. I play these games to be uplifted and have fun but completing the game has left me feeling cheated and very peed off.

[bro_9009]

What shepLJ said. If I want to feel depressed, I'll watch the news. What the hell was BioWare thinking? If I knew how it would all end, I wouldn't even play ME1. It's not like them.

KOTOR - kick ass, you can save the galaxy, and still survive. Inspiring. The choice to make a dark story and ending is there also, if you like to play games that way.

Jade Empire - save the empire, remain with you love interest, survive. Uplifting. Or you can make a dark story - your choice.

DA:O - save the world from darkspawn, survive if you want but perform the dark ritual with unknown consequences, or die and make the ultimate sacrifice (dark ritual still performed, but not with you as I understand it). Both options doesn't make you feel like you just watched something about dead kids on the news. It's uplifting and inspiring, even with the sacrifice. In first option you get to talk to your friends and get the epilogue, in the second you see your friends mourn you at your funeral.

DA2 - kick ass, survive to kick some ass in the future.

ME1 - kick ass, kill Reaper, kill a bunch of bad guys in side missions, survive to kick ass some more.

ME2 - you get the idea. Impossible ods, yet Shep delivers and can save his entire team. NEVER in the game do you feel like "yeah, they are screwed, there is no hope, DEATH!!" etc. Hell, the flight to the Collectors base, with all of your upgrades and everyone surviving whatever Collectors throw at you, with such music - that was the most inspiring scene in all of the games I played. And you can screw it all up and make Shepard die if you want, whatever makes you happy. BioWare said that ME2 is darker story than ME1, but they still made it so that you can have a bright "all good" inspirational end.

And now ME3 - nothing tells you you're screwed in the end. Several of your friends die, even then you don't feel like you just been kicked in the quad to make you feel sad on purpose. Even in the final battle at the start up until the run to the teleport - you feel like there is a chance it will all end like in ME2. And then - long limping (very fun), Anderson dying, and that stupid AI, and Shep acting like - "ok, I understand why you turn organics into paste, totally with you on that one. Oh, we can't live with synthetics? Sure, I was wrong, even if the geth and quarians are fighting you bastards right now, and geth build homes and raise immunity of quarians. I'll listen to you and force everyone to be transformed against their will. Really, different colors of exploding mass relays? Cool". And then Shepard if wasted, Normandy abandons him before hand after all of the talk "we're with you whatever the end", and galaxy is screwed anyway, no future for quarians and the fleets stranded on Earth etc. Well, at least that's how it makes me feel. Like total waste of time to get such end, after all of other past inspiring BioWare games. So, ME3 is basically a dark story and forced downer end, whatever your choices, even if you can make it clear that you preffer bright endings from previous two games depending on you choices in them.

Hell, I can make more comparisons - imagine if Startrek SG-1 ended with bad guys killing the squad and wasting Earth after the constant premise across 10 seasons that even if ods are impossible, there is hope and you can make it save the day. Even when they lose all hope they get through in the end.
Just don't flame me for picking that series if you don't like it =) Or imagine if Emperor kills Luke and Vader immediately after he turns good and attacks him. And rebel fleet, even if they destroy deathstar, strands on Yavin and slowly dies there. Star Wars original trilogy sure would have ruled then, no doubt. That's just for example.

There has been some comparisons with Deus Ex Human Revolution - it's a dark game, I played it and watched all endings, but it's entirely different story and game. And endings don't make you feel sad, they make you feel like there is hope, and Adam, you character, dies in only one of them, if I recal correctly. Besides, there was no need to make ME3 another dark game just for the sake of making it dark and depressing, after such a completely different aproach in previous BioWare games.

Seriously, if I want to feel down, with forced "OH! The drama!! The tragedy!! The Fatalism!! No hope!", I'll go watch the news. I loved their games because they were uplifting, but after ME3 ending, if this is how they want to force all of their players feel, I won't buy them anymore. Thank you very much, BioWare.

PS: I am not saying that we all should get inspirational end, in case someone missunderstands as happens on this forums. I am saying that we shouldn't all get a downer ending. Inspirational end should be one of the options depending on your choices across three games (that you can get in singleplayer, don't drag multiplayer as a requirement here), as was the case with ME2. And there should be an option to get a perfect end where you complete the mission, save as many as possible and Shepard survives, as was the case in all of BioWare previous games. Even from a DLC standpoint - Shadow Broker could be completed after the main quest ends in ME2, and Liara even mentions the defeat of the Collectors if you do SB quest after the game. Your squadmates even commented on your success after the game on the Normandy. Overlord, Kasumi - it was interesting to see characters from these DLC in ME3. And now - do I really want to load post-game ME3 save with dead Shepard and shell out to play some DLC that has no bearing on the story, since all I can get in the end is a downer ending? Aside from pissed off fans, did BioWare really thought that mandatory killing Shepard and screwing the galaxy like this wouldn't harm their DLC profits? Seriously? What was the reasoning to these endings, even from a commercial standpoint? Do they really thought that radically changing from the way they previous very successful games end would increase their profit or something? Or was this a clever way to charge dissapointed fans for Uplifting Ending DLC?

Modifié par bro_9009, 10 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[adneate]

I think the endings blow, they aren't well written, they aren't thought provoking, they aren't satisfying and they don't even fit with the game. Five years so it can all end like this? Really? How could anyone think that the majority of people who enjoy these games would be okay with these endings. The writers creates a deus ex machina to kill their unkillable big bad and we still get an FU downer ending?

Would it be so hard to have one ending where we felt like despite the odds, despite the losses we won?

[staindgrey]

I'm about to do a renegade interrupt on the ME3 staff.

Bro.

[NICKjnp]

I enjoyed the build up to the endings. Even though the game had fewer dialogue and story choices I enjoyed it. The endings just feel so flat. And the Normandy crash landing...why was it in the relay network? It was in the last battle. And Ashley was with me during the final assault so how did she get on the Normandy? It just seems that they didn't think it through. I just think they should have added an option where everything works out perfectly and an ending where the Reapers win.

[bukhrin]

Probably some proper ending where you need a bazilion war points to get, possible only courtesy of at least 4 premium-ly priced Mass Effect 3 DLCs ?

[Spectre_Shepard]

We deserve better. Bioware deserves better. ME deserves better. This should be fixed.

[Sledge454]

It's good for BW/EA that ME3 ends the series, because after the game's final 5 minutes I wouldn't give them another dime for an ME product. I paid $80 (Collector version) for this?

Modifié par Sledge454, 10 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[Warp92]

Suprised Bioware didn't see this coming..

[NeoGuardian86]

Gonna toss my hat in with the loud 'minority' and say the endings were terrible.

for all the same reasons that everyone has posted already.

[bro_9009]

Warp92 wrote...

Suprised Bioware didn't see this coming..

They actually did: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry.

Which makes it all the more surprising why the went along with this decision about endings.

"We have a really talented team of writers. We go through iteration
after iteration, making it the best and most satisfying we can".. Yeah, very satisfying, great job, guys *SARCASM*

Modifié par bro_9009, 10 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[hawat333]

I love it!
Of course I do, I already loved it in Deus Ex.

But I loved to defeat the Illusive Man through dialogue, I like that we got an explanation for the existence of the Reapers, and I love how the endings turned out.
I liked that playing my cards right, Shepard lives.

I do not like that the Normandy scene didn't really make any sense.

[thesnake777]

bro_9009 wrote...

Warp92 wrote...

Suprised Bioware didn't see this coming..

They actually did: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry.

Which makes it all the more surprising why the went along with this decision about endings.

"We have a really talented team of writers. We go through iteration
after iteration, making it the best and most satisfying we can".. Yeah, very satisfying, great job, guys *SARCASM*

This is a Joke. Everything after the illusive man made no sense. I sat there looking at the stupid Reaper child and said "who the f*** are you?" they are not descisions based upon your actions the only diffenrence is a third option opens up the "green" ending and thats just Reaper Harvesting Lite 
there are some many plot holes in the descions its...insane...

[bro_9009]

I just hope they aren't going to say something "Did you know that Shep can be alive in the end? That's your inspiring ending!". Some small, 10 second pre-rendered cinematic with supposedly Shepard taking a single breath is not inspiring. Didn't get it on my playthrough, even though I had the green bar maxed from singleplayer only, and everyone working together, including all squadmates that can be saved. But I watched it with rad game tools .bik player from movies folder of ME3. Nothing good about it. Normandy still stranded, galaxy is screwed.

And all other things about ME3 endings that don't make sense. It is as close to the awesome ME2 ending, as is Moon to Earth on foot.

Wonder if the situation with endings is similar to this one about latest ME novel: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-31-fans-pick-apart-canonical-errors-in-mass-effect-deception-book. I think it has been suggested somewhere in the forums already, that it could be that this writer designed such endings. That would explain a lot.

A book that needs a patch.. That's a first one, I guess. Quarians wear "a motley collection of clothing".. Not envirosuits? That was like one of the first things we learned from Tali in ME1.

Modifié par bro_9009, 10 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[Craven1138]

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/
Almost 10,000 votes. Only 3% support endings, with 84% against it. I'd say it's pretty clear.

[kiera embers]

this is how i feel

[tekkaman fear]

I will officially add my disdain for the endings of Mass Effect 3. Still unreal how in 5 mins everything about the series just crashed and burned. Very depressing.

[bro_9009]

kiera embers wrote...

this is how i feel

This is brilliant =) I laughed so hard ) Thanks, kiera. That actually made me feel better after such endings. I just hope they will listen to their fans and fix this mess.

Modifié par bro_9009, 10 mars 2012 - 08:08 .