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[Landline]

I'm Commander Shepard! I want to save the galaxy, get the girl and celebrate with my friends like the big god'amned hero I am.

In stead the galactic community is screwed. The turian and quarian fleets trapped in the Sol system will be doomed to starve to death. Loads of minor stations and colony's across the galaxy will starve to death with their supply lines cut off and all of the people that you were closest to, including whoever you loved is trapped on some random rain forest planet.

[SonicAF]

Hi there.

I am really interested if Bioware reacts.
I have eaten a bait. If such a DLC is released I am gonna play this game again again and again. Even if I have to pay some more money for it. The entire game makes you fly but the ending cuts your wings(opposing to Mass Effect 2 where we play to see that 30 min ending again).

Modifié par SonicAF, 08 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[wrdnshprd]

Taleroth wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

and if we pay the $10 for the 'quality' ending.. we shouldnt rate a game lower for it having a 'bad' one initially.  why would they give us a 'good' one, when they know we will just pay for a 'better' one later.

Yes, we should rate it lower for the bad initial one. That claim doesn't make sense. It'll lose sales. It'll still sour people. Even if people do buy the DLC.

We can still pay for DLC while being dissatisfied with the core product. This is reflected in the word-of-mouth. This is reflected in retention of the user base. They will lose customers for it, even if some people pay for the DLC. It's a threat to all future sales.

There's two choices. Pay for the DLC or never get it. You can't "demand it." That's not how things really work. You don't enter into a potential negotiation showing yourself as incapable of compromise. You will just be ignored.

what compromise?  the endings supposedly are terrible.. like bad enough to where the rating of the game is a 5 out of 10..

all im saying is.. you reap what you sew..  if EA sees that the MAJORITY of the fanbase will just pay extra for the 'good' ending.. why would they give it to us in the initial game.  at some point people need to draw a line in the sand. 

otherwise you can bet that going forward, all $60 is going to buy us is a mediocre rehashed story with about 20 hours of content on it.. and all the good stuff will be in extra $10 chunks, offered after the fact.  why?  because people will gladly pay extra for it.

[mupp3tz]

DLC endings or epilogues are really the only way to go if Bioware wants us to pay money for ME3 in the future... I mean, who would give a flying eff about a new squad mate or mission if we all know what's going to inevitably happen?  I also don't really see much feasability in new weapons... unless it's an "I WIN A GOOD ENDING" heavy weapon.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 08 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[wrdnshprd]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

DLC endings or epilogues are really the only way to go if Bioware wants us to pay money for ME3 in the future... I mean, who would give a flying eff about a new squad mate or mission if we all know what's going to inevitably happen?  I also don't really see much feasability in new weapons... unless it's an "I WIN A GOOD ENDING" heavy weapon.

imo, if the endings really are that bad (i will know soon enough for myself), we shouldnt just lie down and accept paid DLC for content that should have been in the game in the first place.  because if we do, we are just telling EA that they dont have to give us quality in the initial game.  they can just give us the 'good' content as paid DLC later.

i say we should tell them 'nope.  not going to buy any DLC until you give us a FREE patch with an ending that isnt horrible'.

[IanPolaris]

wrdnshprd wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

DLC endings or epilogues are really the only way to go if Bioware wants us to pay money for ME3 in the future... I mean, who would give a flying eff about a new squad mate or mission if we all know what's going to inevitably happen?  I also don't really see much feasability in new weapons... unless it's an "I WIN A GOOD ENDING" heavy weapon.

imo, if the endings really are that bad (i will know soon enough for myself), we shouldnt just lie down and accept paid DLC for content that should have been in the game in the first place.  because if we do, we are just telling EA that they dont have to give us quality in the initial game.  they can just give us the 'good' content as paid DLC later.

i say we should tell them 'nope.  not going to buy any DLC until you give us a FREE patch with an ending that isnt horrible'.

In an ideal world, I'd completely agree with you, but the endings are such an egregious buzzkill for me with regard to Mass Effect (the entire series) that I'll take reprieve whenever I can find it...and that does mean letting myself get robbed for 10 extra bucks for ending DLC like it or not.

The lack of decent endings is the difference between a terrific game that I could spend a great deal of time playing over and over again, and a cruddy game that I will play once and never touch again.  Up until the final 15 minutes, ME3 was easily the former, but those last 15 minutes are the most important and the endings are SO badly handled that there is no point in playing or buying any other Mass Effect stuff forever.  Thus an ending DLC is not just a good idea, but it's mandatory if BW/EA wants to save the franchise.  That said, I won't be holding my breath.

-Polaris

[wrdnshprd]

IanPolaris wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

DLC endings or epilogues are really the only way to go if Bioware wants us to pay money for ME3 in the future... I mean, who would give a flying eff about a new squad mate or mission if we all know what's going to inevitably happen?  I also don't really see much feasability in new weapons... unless it's an "I WIN A GOOD ENDING" heavy weapon.

imo, if the endings really are that bad (i will know soon enough for myself), we shouldnt just lie down and accept paid DLC for content that should have been in the game in the first place.  because if we do, we are just telling EA that they dont have to give us quality in the initial game.  they can just give us the 'good' content as paid DLC later.

i say we should tell them 'nope.  not going to buy any DLC until you give us a FREE patch with an ending that isnt horrible'.

In an ideal world, I'd completely agree with you, but the endings are such an egregious buzzkill for me with regard to Mass Effect (the entire series) that I'll take reprieve whenever I can find it...and that does mean letting myself get robbed for 10 extra bucks for ending DLC like it or not.

The lack of decent endings is the difference between a terrific game that I could spend a great deal of time playing over and over again, and a cruddy game that I will play once and never touch again.  Up until the final 15 minutes, ME3 was easily the former, but those last 15 minutes are the most important and the endings are SO badly handled that there is no point in playing or buying any other Mass Effect stuff forever.  Thus an ending DLC is not just a good idea, but it's mandatory if BW/EA wants to save the franchise.  That said, I won't be holding my breath.

-Polaris

i get it. all im saying is, by buying that content, you are telling EA/bioware that its ok to continue with this practice in the future..

thus, imo, i dont think people have that much room to complain if this continues in the future.. you are enabling it by purchasing the 'good' ending.

[KainrycKarr]

 Yes they should have gotten it right the first time. Yes, if they make ending DLC, it should be free.

But they didn't, and it wouldn't be.

If we want better endings, they'll have to be DLC. If want said DLC, they're gonna make us pay for it.

That's assuming Bioware actually sticks around for damage control.

Frankly, the series is over, they clearly gave up at the end, and I don't think we'll ever get any explanations, clarifications, or attempts at rectifying the atrocity that is the ending of Mass Effect 3.

[KainrycKarr]

wrdnshprd wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

DLC endings or epilogues are really the only way to go if Bioware wants us to pay money for ME3 in the future... I mean, who would give a flying eff about a new squad mate or mission if we all know what's going to inevitably happen?  I also don't really see much feasability in new weapons... unless it's an "I WIN A GOOD ENDING" heavy weapon.

imo, if the endings really are that bad (i will know soon enough for myself), we shouldnt just lie down and accept paid DLC for content that should have been in the game in the first place.  because if we do, we are just telling EA that they dont have to give us quality in the initial game.  they can just give us the 'good' content as paid DLC later.

i say we should tell them 'nope.  not going to buy any DLC until you give us a FREE patch with an ending that isnt horrible'.

In an ideal world, I'd completely agree with you, but the endings are such an egregious buzzkill for me with regard to Mass Effect (the entire series) that I'll take reprieve whenever I can find it...and that does mean letting myself get robbed for 10 extra bucks for ending DLC like it or not.

The lack of decent endings is the difference between a terrific game that I could spend a great deal of time playing over and over again, and a cruddy game that I will play once and never touch again.  Up until the final 15 minutes, ME3 was easily the former, but those last 15 minutes are the most important and the endings are SO badly handled that there is no point in playing or buying any other Mass Effect stuff forever.  Thus an ending DLC is not just a good idea, but it's mandatory if BW/EA wants to save the franchise.  That said, I won't be holding my breath.

-Polaris

i get it. all im saying is, by buying that content, you are telling EA/bioware that its ok to continue with this practice in the future..

thus, imo, i dont think people have that much room to complain if this continues in the future.. you are enabling it by purchasing the 'good' ending.

Well that doesn't matter to me. They've already lost me as a future customer. I'm just willing to pay a bit extra to fix what I already purchased and invested myself into.

[SonicAF]

If it's OK practice or not - the game is awesome. I want a sane ending for it.

[Dragoni89]

wrdnshprd wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

DLC endings or epilogues are really the only way to go if Bioware wants us to pay money for ME3 in the future... I mean, who would give a flying eff about a new squad mate or mission if we all know what's going to inevitably happen?  I also don't really see much feasability in new weapons... unless it's an "I WIN A GOOD ENDING" heavy weapon.

imo, if the endings really are that bad (i will know soon enough for myself), we shouldnt just lie down and accept paid DLC for content that should have been in the game in the first place.  because if we do, we are just telling EA that they dont have to give us quality in the initial game.  they can just give us the 'good' content as paid DLC later.

i say we should tell them 'nope.  not going to buy any DLC until you give us a FREE patch with an ending that isnt horrible'.

In an ideal world, I'd completely agree with you, but the endings are such an egregious buzzkill for me with regard to Mass Effect (the entire series) that I'll take reprieve whenever I can find it...and that does mean letting myself get robbed for 10 extra bucks for ending DLC like it or not.

The lack of decent endings is the difference between a terrific game that I could spend a great deal of time playing over and over again, and a cruddy game that I will play once and never touch again.  Up until the final 15 minutes, ME3 was easily the former, but those last 15 minutes are the most important and the endings are SO badly handled that there is no point in playing or buying any other Mass Effect stuff forever.  Thus an ending DLC is not just a good idea, but it's mandatory if BW/EA wants to save the franchise.  That said, I won't be holding my breath.

-Polaris

i get it. all im saying is, by buying that content, you are telling EA/bioware that its ok to continue with this practice in the future..

thus, imo, i dont think people have that much room to complain if this continues in the future.. you are enabling it by purchasing the 'good' ending.

I will purchase the good ending because if I don't I could never play the ME again or even touch ME3 cause there just is no point. After being satisfied by the good ending, I 'll be giving BioWare the middle finger, and never preorder another bioware game or buy until I either tried it or get a full detailed review.

[azc23]

No I wont pay for a good ending DLC. They already blew it with me...asking us to pay for the quality ending that should have come with the game in the first place is a shameless cash grab. That would turn me from just disliking the ending to flat out boycotting ea and all their products.

[Bereman08]

astrophyzcs wrote...

inb4 tl;dr <3

Agreed. I wish we didn't have to ask Bioware to throw us a bone and give us some DLC that might alleviate our distress. The content should've been there originally, yes, but admittedly I'm also one of the people that would snatch it up in a heartbeat, regardless of the cost.

I finished the game this morning and was left feeling very empty, very unaccomplished--as though none of the decisions I had made up until that point mattered. It was hurtful, and to be truthful, I'm devastated. I sat there and wept like a little child the entire time, and still tear up when I think about it. The game up until then had been an amazing ride, even if it was a little difficult emotionally.

Like the studio, we players--the consumers--have invested countless hours in the Mass Effect universe. We've happily dished out the dough to BW because they continued to deliver story-driven content, filled with characters we couldn't help but love, and more importantly, relate to. We quite literally care for them. We've laughed at their jokes, mourned with them, and have felt real anger at the injustice that they face. It's kind of amusing how much empathy we can extend to fictional beings, but so much in the ME canon is pertinent to what we face in today's world. 

I'm not going to jump onto the bandwagon of hatred for Bioware. They've given us some truly magical moments, and let us share them with amazing characters. The kind of people you desperately wish were real, because maybe you're a little lonely or you're dispirited with life, and they give you hope. I think a lot of what I really enjoy about ME is that I can temporarily remove myself from reality, and immerse myself in a galaxy that is so much more beautiful than the one I find myself existing in now. Pathetic to some, maybe, but cathartic to me. It's therapeutic to a once meek girl who found courage in herself because hey, if Commander Shepard could do it...

I'm rushing off into a tangle of tangents, but I thought I should make it clear (regardless of whether or not this is ever going to be read by any of the Bioware staff) just how much these games have meant to me for the past few years. Before I digress further, I'll shimmy on back to the topic at hand:


The problem with these endings has everything to do with the fact that they're extremely linear, without any real variation, and they leave no closure. The single-track, dystopian trend in video games has to end. I am all for tragedy, especially in scenarios such as the ones we find in ME--war is cruel, unrelenting, and death never, ever  discriminates. It'll come knocking on everybody's door eventually.

I expected loss. I can handle that. I don't think any of us can deny that we weren't prepared for at least a few casualties amongst our companions and old faces. However, what I cannot agree with is the fact that these endings are the only thing that we get. 

I find it unfair, and frankly a little insulting that Bioware thought it fit to not only kill Shepard off - likely to prevent the use of the character in prospective titles - but also to leave our beloved Normandy squad and crew stranded on some arbitrary oasis in the middle of no where. What? You mean that after everything we've gone through, all of the trauma we've faced together, we're not only to lose our Shepard (and for many, this is very personal--we cultivate our Shepards into this sort of fantastic, real being in our own minds; what my Shepard is to me can vastly differ to what another person's Shepard is to them, but the common thread is that they're our Shepards, and we have a special sort of affection for them), but we're left to ponder what happens to his/her friends?

It's almost a mercy that Shepard dies so that he/she doesn't have to live with the pain that they're lost to the galaxy at large for however many years on a planet that could seem harmless, but be uninhabitable to the majority of the crew - human and alien alike. That's terrible, and downright cruel.

I feel that aside from the demand, there is a need to give us a happy ending. Shepard states during the end of the game that if we've got no future, we've got no hope. The point I'm trying to make is that hope is such an amazing facet of the human condition - to kill off our hero, and to have our crew reduced to nomads is soul-crushing. By taking away their futures, you've reaped us of our hope. I think that after all of the sacrifice, all of the pain they've been made to endure, they deserve a shot at some semblance of happiness. Shepard should be able to settle down, have those blue babies, or adopt those little krogans. He/she should be able to grow old with his lover, and with his friends. Didn't he/she do enough by bringing the galaxy together? 

Please, Bioware. I'm asking from the bottom of my heart that you give us something more. It doesn't need to be sunshine and rainbows and butterflies, but I think it ruthless to render these beloved characters to such an unimaginable fate, and one that more importantly has no ties to the rest of the game other than being at the machinations of blatant deus ex machina. Just consider it. We're only asking for what you promised: a good end to a great story.

And keep in mind...in two weeks, the floodgates are going to open, and you're going to have a lot more people than us looking for answers. More importantly, they'll want solutions. And they might not be as nice about it.

A thousand times this, every time.

One thing for me.  You mentioned how it was a mercy that Shepard died and doesn't have to wonder about friends and the love of their life?

My Shepard lived.  The "best" ending.  The ending that separates a still alive Shepard from his friends and the woman he has come to truly love (and who finally said the words she almost said in ME1).  Best ending...ha!

I need a drink. :-\\

[SonicAF]

The main problem is that I can't let synthetics live while Shepard is alive. It's crazy.

[nitefyre410]

The problem with a messing the ending of things is that the first impression is the consider the most important but this ending the last impression is what people will remember. The major problem is that there is no variance in the endings they all end the same with different colors. What is bothering the most is the game was great up till that point. Thane, Mordin and Legion all died heroes... especially with the Biotic **** Slap on Kei Leng. All that just felt for naught at the ending... Its like they wanted to a "Deep" ending but just go scared - they have put a conversation with the Catalyst

[wrdnshprd]

Dragoni89 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

DLC endings or epilogues are really the only way to go if Bioware wants us to pay money for ME3 in the future... I mean, who would give a flying eff about a new squad mate or mission if we all know what's going to inevitably happen?  I also don't really see much feasability in new weapons... unless it's an "I WIN A GOOD ENDING" heavy weapon.

imo, if the endings really are that bad (i will know soon enough for myself), we shouldnt just lie down and accept paid DLC for content that should have been in the game in the first place.  because if we do, we are just telling EA that they dont have to give us quality in the initial game.  they can just give us the 'good' content as paid DLC later.

i say we should tell them 'nope.  not going to buy any DLC until you give us a FREE patch with an ending that isnt horrible'.

In an ideal world, I'd completely agree with you, but the endings are such an egregious buzzkill for me with regard to Mass Effect (the entire series) that I'll take reprieve whenever I can find it...and that does mean letting myself get robbed for 10 extra bucks for ending DLC like it or not.

The lack of decent endings is the difference between a terrific game that I could spend a great deal of time playing over and over again, and a cruddy game that I will play once and never touch again.  Up until the final 15 minutes, ME3 was easily the former, but those last 15 minutes are the most important and the endings are SO badly handled that there is no point in playing or buying any other Mass Effect stuff forever.  Thus an ending DLC is not just a good idea, but it's mandatory if BW/EA wants to save the franchise.  That said, I won't be holding my breath.

-Polaris

i get it. all im saying is, by buying that content, you are telling EA/bioware that its ok to continue with this practice in the future..

thus, imo, i dont think people have that much room to complain if this continues in the future.. you are enabling it by purchasing the 'good' ending.

I will purchase the good ending because if I don't I could never play the ME again or even touch ME3 cause there just is no point. After being satisfied by the good ending, I 'll be giving BioWare the middle finger, and never preorder another bioware game or buy until I either tried it or get a full detailed review.

in this case, i guess i can see your viewpoint.. as long as you adhere to that practice going forward, i suppose i can get behind that.. we've already spent 180+ dollars and tons of time in the game, we mind as well get the satisfying conclusion.

[mupp3tz]

Well the reason I think it would be in the form of a paid DLC is because the backlash regarding the endings is not because they are BAD, per se... in a way, they make sense and I guess it's probably a realistic approach they tried to take. Meaning: if Shepard and the Reaper threat were happening in the real world, it is absolutely plausible that things won't be all sunshine and flowers. On top of that, this is Bioware's Ip and that's the route they felt was best from their perspective --- which is in sharp contrast to what the players desire.

What most people are very angry about is the fact that we feel Shepard (and the players) DESERVED a happier ending -- for the squad, for Shepard, for galactic species... the ones we've grown to love over the trilogy. Sure, it's great that the future is "saved," but, in a way, I could care less about organics millions of years from now... I want to be selfish dammit. I want my Shepard, his squad mates, and the galaxy races given a better ending. A more satisfying one! I expect not EVERYONE can be saved, but it would be nice if Bioware had given us more than what we were given.

TL;DR -- Fine, Bioware.  You can have your ****ty conclusion, but give me mine too.  And I'll pay you for it!

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 08 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[wrdnshprd]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

DLC endings or epilogues are really the only way to go if Bioware wants us to pay money for ME3 in the future... I mean, who would give a flying eff about a new squad mate or mission if we all know what's going to inevitably happen?  I also don't really see much feasability in new weapons... unless it's an "I WIN A GOOD ENDING" heavy weapon.

imo, if the endings really are that bad (i will know soon enough for myself), we shouldnt just lie down and accept paid DLC for content that should have been in the game in the first place.  because if we do, we are just telling EA that they dont have to give us quality in the initial game.  they can just give us the 'good' content as paid DLC later.

i say we should tell them 'nope.  not going to buy any DLC until you give us a FREE patch with an ending that isnt horrible'.

In an ideal world, I'd completely agree with you, but the endings are such an egregious buzzkill for me with regard to Mass Effect (the entire series) that I'll take reprieve whenever I can find it...and that does mean letting myself get robbed for 10 extra bucks for ending DLC like it or not.

The lack of decent endings is the difference between a terrific game that I could spend a great deal of time playing over and over again, and a cruddy game that I will play once and never touch again.  Up until the final 15 minutes, ME3 was easily the former, but those last 15 minutes are the most important and the endings are SO badly handled that there is no point in playing or buying any other Mass Effect stuff forever.  Thus an ending DLC is not just a good idea, but it's mandatory if BW/EA wants to save the franchise.  That said, I won't be holding my breath.

-Polaris

i get it. all im saying is, by buying that content, you are telling EA/bioware that its ok to continue with this practice in the future..

thus, imo, i dont think people have that much room to complain if this continues in the future.. you are enabling it by purchasing the 'good' ending.

I will purchase the good ending because if I don't I could never play the ME again or even touch ME3 cause there just is no point. After being satisfied by the good ending, I 'll be giving BioWare the middle finger, and never preorder another bioware game or buy until I either tried it or get a full detailed review.

in this case, i guess i can see your viewpoint.. as long as you adhere to that practice going forward, i suppose i can get behind that.. we've already spent 180+ dollars and tons of time in the game, we mind as well get the satisfying conclusion.

and for the record BSN, this is probably the attitude i am going to take IF i think the endings are as bad as people say.. ill bump the thread again once ive beaten the game.

on the other hand, if they do end up giving us the DLC as a thank you and free, it will go a LONG way in rejuvinating my faith in bioware, and you can bet i will be a lot more willing to support them going forward. 

i hope EA can see that offering this DLC free would be a great business move by them. making it paid DLC, will only pour salt on an already gaping wound.

[jellobell]

SonicAF wrote...

The main problem is that I can't let synthetics live while Shepard is alive. It's crazy.

This. The "best" ending completely invalidates Legion's sacrifice and EDI's character development. Besides, it makes no goddamn sense. When the Guardian talks about the Destroy beam he says it kills synthetic life, but what exactly qualifies as "synthetic life"? The reapers are fused synthetic-organics, and we know the beam kills them. But Shepard is also synthetic, and yet s/he lives. Where do you draw the line? Does "synthetic life" have to be partially organic? Because neither the Geth nor EDI have organic bits. Is my robot puppy synthetic life? Is my roomba synthetic life? Does Shepard kill all the robots, AIs, and roombas in the Galaxy?

[mupp3tz]

I think Bioware would be very smart to release a DLC... especially, as you suggested, a free one. It doesn't have to mean that they are admitting they're "wrong" or anything, but shows an act of gratitude towards the fans. In this case, it would do a lot in restoring my faith for Bioware. I'll still be a little apprehensive before getting hooked into another trilogy or RPG, but I'll probably buy it.

As it stands, I'll probably have to wait a month or so (meaning no pre-ording CE's) for player reviews every time they release a game -- just to see if it's even worth the personal investment.

[bpzrn]

"I expected loss. I can handle that. I don't think any of us can deny that we weren't prepared for at least a few casualties amongst our companions and old faces. However, what I cannot agree with is the fact that these endings are the only thing that we get."


I don't understand why they did not give 2,3... 5 options DIFFERENT endings, good/bad/dark/wonderful.

Delay the game 6 months, do it right Vs this, this is awful and disappointing.

[The_Other_M]

Unless BioWare wants the Mass Effect franchise to die with this game, then they better release a "good" ending(s) DLC.

[Tannaraz]

The_Other_M wrote...

Unless BioWare wants the Mass Effect franchise to die with this game, then they better release a "good" ending(s) DLC.

And really, I don't think that's too far from the truth. I've watched great games be returned because of the ending, and Mass Effect 3 really doesn't deserve to be in the line for that chopping block. Story wise, I'd put the Saga of Shepard right alongside Star Wars. However, imo, if Episode VI ended in a similar fashion to ME3, I don't think the series would have been as formiddable and long lasting. I think know the Mass Effect series has that kind of potential, even at its closing. To give it such a noire ending at the end of Shepard's Saga... 

[frylock23]

I might pay money for better ending options, but it will be a long time before I'll buy another BioWare property sight unseen.