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[Leonia]

It's the beard, mostly.

[FlintlockJazz]

Taerda wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Couldar wrote...

Jory? Really? He is more whiny than Allister and you don't see him but for a fraction of the time.

Yes, really.  I think he's an interesting and realistic character, and consider Daveth and Jorey as a pair.  I think Morrigan is whiny, hypocritical and annoying yet apparently lots of people like her, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks I suppose.

Heh. Jory annoyed me in the Wilds enough that I'd have sent him back with the wounded soldier - without hesitation.

His doubt and lack of committment endangered the "mission" in my eyes that much.

I liked him because of those things, made him seem real and not just some robot soldier.  As much as people say that it's desertion and such like you still shouldn't expect everyone to just take what they perceive as unreasonable requests without complaint, otherwise they shouldn't complain when they start getting ordered to do completely stupid and suicidal things later. 

I'm surprised many people didn't get annoyed at Daveth getting worried about being put in the pot by Morrigan if they couldn't stand Jorey, his whining then even got on Jorey's nerves. 

But regardless, I'm getting off topic, I like Jorey, and think him and Daveth should have gone on to have epic adventures together.

[Wintermist]

Blasphemy is being told in this thread!!

[Akka le Vil]

Duncan is just a typical "perfect" Grey Warden.

He's here to fight the Blight, and he's going to do what it takes.

But he's still decent and is ruthless ONLY if there is no other way. Not "I'm allowed to be ruthless so I'll start act like a jerk and randomly and needlessly kill people just to show how badass and ruthless I am".

[MartinJHolm]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

I didn't like Duncan. He does save your life, but it's for his own purposes. Other than that, he doesn't give the player a chance to know him. In the human noble introduction, for example, he promises that we can talk later, but it never happens even at Ostagar.

Hardly for his OWN purpose, he's doing it to stop the blight - I would conside rthat a pretty good reason.

[Tennmuerti]

1. His beard is made of win.

2. He has a pony tail.

3. His pony tail matches the beard really well.

4. He is a ruthless bastard that didn't flinch killing an innocent man with a family for a greater goal.

5. He wears the best looking armor in the game.

6. He is extremely calm most of the time, which adds to his badassness.

7. In all the origins I've done so far his main reason for recruiting you is because you are GOOD at laying down some smack. Like: "I don't care who you are, you kill stuff good, pack your bags."

8. He showed that ogre who's boss.

9. His beard is made of win.

[Rugaru]

"I don't care who you are, you kill stuff good, pack your bags."



lol

[FlintlockJazz]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Duncan is just a typical "perfect" Grey Warden.
He's here to fight the Blight, and he's going to do what it takes.
But he's still decent and is ruthless ONLY if there is no other way. Not "I'm allowed to be ruthless so I'll start act like a jerk and randomly and needlessly kill people just to show how badass and ruthless I am".

Actually, after talking to Riordan somewhat, I do wonder about the Grey Wardens as a whole.  Apparently the Grey Wardens in the Anderfels, arguable the main Grey Warden force in the world, doesn't seem that interested in actual Blights, and are in fact virtually running the country, which lends credence to Loghain's fear that the Grey Wardens actually are trying to take over.  In that case, Duncan would not be the typical perfect Grey Warden and raises questions about the true goals of the Grey Wardens.

[Taerda]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...

Duncan is just a typical "perfect" Grey Warden.
He's here to fight the Blight, and he's going to do what it takes.
But he's still decent and is ruthless ONLY if there is no other way. Not "I'm allowed to be ruthless so I'll start act like a jerk and randomly and needlessly kill people just to show how badass and ruthless I am".

Actually, after talking to Riordan somewhat, I do wonder about the Grey Wardens as a whole.  Apparently the Grey Wardens in the Anderfels, arguable the main Grey Warden force in the world, doesn't seem that interested in actual Blights, and are in fact virtually running the country, which lends credence to Loghain's fear that the Grey Wardens actually are trying to take over.  In that case, Duncan would not be the typical perfect Grey Warden and raises questions about the true goals of the Grey Wardens.

From Drysen's story (the Warden's Keep DLC) I got the impression that there are two main factions in the Grey Wardens. Those that adhere to Nuetrality above all else and those that "Use any means necessary".

Half of her force left her hanging because she went againt the lawful king - the other half stood by her side ... so Duncan represented to me the stay nuetral faction and my character was on the side of: Do whatever is necessary (which meant becoming Queen to her).

[FlintlockJazz]

Taerda wrote...


From Drysen's story (the Warden's Keep DLC) I got the impression that there are two main factions in the Grey Wardens. Those that adhere to Nuetrality above all else and those that "Use any means necessary".

Half of her force left her hanging because she went againt the lawful king - the other half stood by her side ... so Duncan represented to me the stay nuetral faction and my character was on the side of: Do whatever is necessary (which meant becoming Queen to her).

Interesting.  I would have thought Duncan would fit in the "Do whatever it takes" camp personally, but the idea of factions within the Grey Wardens does sound interesting.  Shame they leave you and Alistair as the only two left, would have been nice to have gotten dragged into Grey Warden politics.

[Taerda]

FlintlockJazz wrote...
Interesting.  I would have thought Duncan would fit in the "Do whatever it takes" camp personally, but the idea of factions within the Grey Wardens does sound interesting.  Shame they leave you and Alistair as the only two left, would have been nice to have gotten dragged into Grey Warden politics.

Politically Duncan does whatever the local authority wants though ... at Ostagar, Duncan confides to you that he wishes the King would wait for reinforcements .. yet he doesn't do anything but follow the King's commands

I agree that it would have been awesome to have more Grey warden politics.. but Rhiordan is introduced so late that it would have been very nonsensical to have it flair up at that point.

I did expect Allistair to object to my decisions more, but from the very beginning it is clear that he defaults the leadership of Fereldan's Order to you. It would have been interesting to have a veteran Gray Warden with you instead of Allistair who, like you, is a raw recruit with less then a year's worth of service under his belt.

[Rugaru]

I think that Duncan is kind of hampered being as wardens have only recently even been allowed back in the country. So while he is a get it done at any cost kind of person, he also realizes that in the long run it would be better to not ****** everyone off and get the wardens kicked out. Especially considering the blight that is coming.

[Korva]

I like Duncan, but he could have been better. As has been said, there is no chance to talk to him which is sad. It should be possible -- both during the origins and later, before you arrive at Ostagar. You've been on the road with that guy for weeks, surely it wasn't all a silent march?

[doubledeviant]

Tennmuerti wrote...

4. He is a ruthless bastard that didn't flinch killing an innocent man with a family for a greater goal.

Which is exactly why I planned to kill him at the first available opportunity.

Duncan = the worst kind of evil.  Winning at any cost for the sake of a "greater good" is the motto of terrorists, zealots, and those who are too blind to see that they're sacrificing the very things for which they fight.

[dannythefool]

Korva wrote...

I like Duncan, but he could have been better. As has been said, there is no chance to talk to him which is sad. It should be possible -- both during the origins and later, before you arrive at Ostagar. You've been on the road with that guy for weeks, surely it wasn't all a silent march?

I did get the chance to ask him all kinds of things about darkspawn and grey wardens during the origin stories, although they are somewhat different in how much they point you at Duncan. E.g. in the mage story you escort him to his quarters and then *book spoiler* unfortunately you can only talk to him.

[dannythefool]

doubledeviant wrote...
Duncan = the worst kind of evil.  Winning at any cost for the sake of a "greater good" is the motto of terrorists, zealots, and those who are too blind to see that they're sacrificing the very things for which they fight.

This is another of these skewed impressions you get of Duncan if you didn't read The Calling... you're basing this off one single action of his.

[doubledeviant]

dannythefool wrote...

This is another of these skewed impressions you get of Duncan if you didn't read The Calling... you're basing this off one single action of his.

What is "The Calling"?  I've at least skimmed most of the in-game codex entries.  Or are you talking about a DA book?  When last I checked, "The Stolen Throne" was the only DA book stocked by my local Borders.

[Forsakerr]

doubledeviant wrote...

dannythefool wrote...

This is another of these skewed impressions you get of Duncan if you didn't read The Calling... you're basing this off one single action of his.

What is "The Calling"?  I've at least skimmed most of the in-game codex entries.  Or are you talking about a DA book?  When last I checked, "The Stolen Throne" was the only DA book stocked by my local Borders.

it s the second book about the game , maybe you could order it from amazon or some

[dimvision]

Nah Sandal is the best NPC IMO

[FlintlockJazz]

dannythefool wrote...

doubledeviant wrote...
Duncan = the worst kind of evil.  Winning at any cost for the sake of a "greater good" is the motto of terrorists, zealots, and those who are too blind to see that they're sacrificing the very things for which they fight.

This is another of these skewed impressions you get of Duncan if you didn't read The Calling... you're basing this off one single action of his.

If you get the wrong impression because you don't read a book then that is a problem with the game.  You should not have to read a separate book in order to get the correct impression of a character ingame if he is portrayed correctly imho, but it's understandable considering how little time they had to devote to the character.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 26 novembre 2009 - 02:07 .

[ReubenLiew]

Because he reminds me of a Space Marine.

He'd make an excellent Brother Seargent.

[GoldenusG]

My opinion, is that we don't see enough of him in-game to make any real judgement. What I do see of him though, is he's a brilliant fighter (Kills an ogre that easily? Gotta be good), good recruiter (Welcome among all the races, always gets his way) but a lousy tactician/general (Only Warden's can kill the Arch-beastie, I'll send them all into a single battle), and lousy with people (Drink. No? Die). Other than that, I've no way to judge him. Maybe if I get my grubby mitts on the books one day I'll reconsider, but till then... Meh.

[Akka le Vil]

doubledeviant wrote...

Tennmuerti wrote...

4. He is a ruthless bastard that didn't flinch killing an innocent man with a family for a greater goal.

Which is exactly why I planned to kill him at the first available opportunity.

Duncan = the worst kind of evil.  Winning at any cost for the sake of a "greater good" is the motto of terrorists, zealots, and those who are too blind to see that they're sacrificing the very things for which they fight.

Though I can understand your point, I tend to see Duncan in a softer light. He shows regret in his actions, obviously doesn't downplay his responsabilities nor the cost, and seems to at least try to take the "good" route when he can.
Althought the whole "it must be a secret or we could not corner volunteers that would anyway be useless" is completely idiotic, but that seems more a writing flaw than Duncan's.

[Sarevok Anchev]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Because he reminds me of a Space Marine.
He'd make an excellent Brother Seargent.

With all the Blood drinking and "bad dreams" he could be a Blood Angel/ Flesh Tearer.
And because his "dont tell the secrets"-style he would be a Dark Angel.

Dante or Ezekiel? hmmm...

[Sarevok Anchev]

Couldar wrote...

"I don't care who you are, you kill stuff good, pack your bags."

lol

Really lol

Dont forget another reason: Because he kicked the 2 Hurlockasses in the Introduction so coolishly.