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[ChaosAgentLoki]

Okay, I know many people will disagree with me here, but I just wanted to give my opinion which should be just as valid as anyone else's. So, here I go.

The endings to Mass Effect 3 which I have not watched and do not know much to anything about (aside from many of them involve Shepard dying and are very grim and open as well as the fact that ME1 and 2's decisions don't seem to play a role in them). See, to me, this is not an issue, especially since I did not get into the series for the choice system, but because I was looking for a great Sci-Fi RPG. That and not many games over the past six years have had satisfying endings. For that reason I wasn't expecting Bioware to pull off the end all be all ending for the ME trilogy that many were expectng. Instead I was hoping for a game that proved to be fun and had a great lead up (which to me, with the current state of game finales, is important). Mass Effect 3 is providing this. I know that many people don't agree with me, will say that the story falls flat (which compared to 2 and 1, yes it does, but that doesn't make it bad for me), and that the gameplay is not RPG enough (I would like to argue that one, but this is not the point of the topic).

What I'm trying to get at is that the issue people have with the ending is being blown out of proportion, at least in my opinion. Yes, it is very disappointing that our choices do not affect the trilogy's outcome, but that does not bring down the rest of the game. People who think it does, that's your opinion and I completely respect that, let Bioware know as it should help them to make better games in the future. Boycott them if you must to prove a point, I won't stop you in the slightest. Hell, I'll even encourage you. I just wanted to give my  view, I don't necessarily agree with everyone else's. If people want an example of a game that I feel meets my criteria for living up to the ending I was looking for, that would be Metal Gear Solid 4. Not everyone will agree with that either, but the story pulled together all plot threads and released a game that successfully concluded the series. I think ME3 does that as well, just not to the same level.

So, I do not find it a bad game in the slightest. I'm enjoying it and am looking forward to completing it. Will I replay it right away? No, probably not, but that's because I've still got to finish off Dragon Age Origins, Ninja Gaiden 2, Final Fantasy XII and the White Knight Chronicles duology. Not because I find Mass Effect 3 a bad game. Anyways, that's my spiel. No one has to agree with it, but I would rather not be attacked for my opinon. I would like to know however, other's opinions on this. I will post a follow up expressing my full opinions on the ending once I have reached it, until then, this is just my current opinion, for all we know, it may change.

[Iam2ugly]

finish the fight. Then speak about ending issue being blown out of proportion.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

Iam2ugly wrote...

finish the fight. Then speak about ending issue being blown out of proportion.

Did you even read my post? I said I would be posting a follow up once I had finished the game. Also, I'm used to games disappointing me ending wise recently. Final Fantasy XIII's ending sucked, Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep's ending sucked, Halo Reach's ending sucked, Devil May Cry 4's ending sucked, Resident Evil 5's ending sucked (that game sucked overall, but that's just me), Modern Warfare 3's ending sucked (all the awesome characters die, but Price...that was a let down, but didn't ruin the game for me), and that's just the start. The games that have ended wonderfully for me have been getting smaller because developers lose steam at the ending. It used to be the most magnificent part of the game, a true accomplishment and rewarding for those who made it that far, now there's no wonder most people don't finish games.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

Also, I am not condemning anyone for disliking the game due to the endings. I'm just saying that currently I feel like it is being blown out of proportion.

[Ryuuken117]

Wait, you don't even know what the endings are, and you're wondering why we're pissed?

I mean, disagree with me all you want, but at least finish the game before you say that we're wrong for wanting a better set of endings.

[J5550123]

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Also, I am not condemning anyone for disliking the game due to the endings. I'm just saying that currently I feel like it is being blown out of proportion.

Believe me, it's not being blown out of proportion, and as more people complete the game, there will be more people saying how horrible the endings are. I love the game, I just want a better ending.

[Toxilium92]

Finish the game first, jeez. This isn't being blown out of proportion at all. The same nonsense happened with this game that happened with Halo 2's and Fallout 3's endings. Every ending is just awful.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

Ryuuken117 wrote...

Wait, you don't even know what the endings are, and you're wondering why we're pissed?

I mean, disagree with me all you want, but at least finish the game before you say that we're wrong for wanting a better set of endings.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm trying to get to saying (without being offensive) that putting down the entirety of the game due to the endings is blowing it out of proportion. Do I dislike the fact that people want better endings, no damn way. I want better endings for games that aren't Mass Effect that I've played (MW3, KH:BBS etc), but I don't hate the games because of the endings. Also, I said I don't know everything about the endings. I've spoiled myself slightly because I know that they deal with the destruction of the mass relays, Shepard's death and I believe that the Normandy crew gets stranded with no resolution. If that's the entirety of it...well then I spoiled more than I thought, however I'm not condemning anyone for wanting better endings...its just putting down the entire game because of it when most games out there nowadays have such terrible endings.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Also, I am not condemning anyone for disliking the game due to the endings. I'm just saying that currently I feel like it is being blown out of proportion.

Believe me, it's not being blown out of proportion, and as more people complete the game, there will be more people saying how horrible the endings are. I love the game, I just want a better ending.

See this is what I'm getting at, you're one of the few people I have seen who does not hate the overall game because of the endings, that's what I'm trying to get at.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

Toxilium92 wrote...

Finish the game first, jeez. This isn't being blown out of proportion at all. The same nonsense happened with this game that happened with Halo 2's and Fallout 3's endings. Every ending is just awful.

Halo 3's ending was actually pretty good. So was Oblivion's, Skyrim's (as much as I find the story to be weak, the ending is pretty awesome). What I was getting at wast that people are blowing it out of proportion by basing the entire game off of the story. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear enough, I just didnt' want to come across as attacking anyone.

[Militarized]

It's total BS!!! The game was the most epic ever and then all of a sudden... LET'S THROW IN RANDOM ALTRUISTIC ENDING INTO OUR REALISTIC UNIVERSE.

Why couldn't it just be "I kill the reapers, the galaxy is saved and then I go to earth and boink the crap out of Jack.. WHO BTW I DON'T GET TO SEE MUCH OF WTF IS THE POINT OF HER BEING A LI.

I just finished my ending by killing the reapers, venting. sorry

[J5550123]

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Also, I am not condemning anyone for disliking the game due to the endings. I'm just saying that currently I feel like it is being blown out of proportion.

Believe me, it's not being blown out of proportion, and as more people complete the game, there will be more people saying how horrible the endings are. I love the game, I just want a better ending.

See this is what I'm getting at, you're one of the few people I have seen who does not hate the overall game because of the endings, that's what I'm trying to get at.

Most people I've talked to about this seem to love the game, but feel let down by the ending, which I agree with. I can see where you're coming from though, but the reason people hate the entire game/trilogy is because the endings just make it all seem pointless. They feel like there is no closure, and like our choices don't matter. We're all just hoping Bioware sees how upset we are and gives us a proper finale. But I do understand where you're coming from, and I've defended this game series for years. It's my favorite franchise and I hope to see Mass Effect 4 soon. I'm just upset because this is the end of Shepard's story according to Bioware, and it had a disappointing conclusion.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

Militarized wrote...

It's total BS!!! The game was the most epic ever and then all of a sudden... LET'S THROW IN RANDOM ALTRUISTIC ENDING INTO OUR REALISTIC UNIVERSE.

Why couldn't it just be "I kill the reapers, the galaxy is saved and then I go to earth and boink the crap out of Jack.. WHO BTW I DON'T GET TO SEE MUCH OF WTF IS THE POINT OF HER BEING A LI.

I just finished my ending by killing the reapers, venting. sorry

See, your opinion is valid, and I support the possibility of a good (e.x. happy) ending. Bioware screwed up, I won't deny that from what I've read. Limiting the endings in a game this massive is a bad thing, no doubt, I'm just trying to get to the point that judging the entire game off of the endings is wrong when so many other good games have sucky endings as well, but people don't complain to the same extent.

[WizenSlinky0]

Hey look, I think this is the first generally positive outlook without subtle attacks at people who disagree.

The gaming experience (especially when involving choice-based systems) tend to be more unique and subjective than a more "stable" or linear work. People have different levels of investments and different priorities. Right or wrong most of us grew to prioritize the crew and the people around Shepard but I'd say the story purposely pushed us along in that direction over the course of ME1/ME2. This is part of the problem, the atmosphere changes without ever being hinted at before.

Some people will legitimately just enjoy it as a great Sci-Fi story and not to insinuate you aren't invested enough...but some of us who care a lot about the characters just wanted a good and appropriate send-off even if they had to die to get it. I wanted a happier ending but most of all I wanted a satisfying one. I don't really believe I got that despite the great lead-in and good combat mechanics.

But really glad you did!

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 08 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[Toxilium92]

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Toxilium92 wrote...

Finish the game first, jeez. This isn't being blown out of proportion at all. The same nonsense happened with this game that happened with Halo 2's and Fallout 3's endings. Every ending is just awful.

Halo 3's ending was actually pretty good. So was Oblivion's, Skyrim's (as much as I find the story to be weak, the ending is pretty awesome). What I was getting at wast that people are blowing it out of proportion by basing the entire game off of the story. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear enough, I just didnt' want to come across as attacking anyone.

I never said Halo 3's endng, i said Halo 2's (with the Arbiter). And I give the game it's merits, mainly highly improved combat versatility and customization. At the end of the day though, Mass Effect is most well known for it's story and choices. No one cares about the gameplay much, since it's not that great to begin with (the combat gets old really fast). If the best thing in the game fails to deliver, well what do we have? An $80 paperweight with subpar cooperative multiplayer.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Also, I am not condemning anyone for disliking the game due to the endings. I'm just saying that currently I feel like it is being blown out of proportion.

Believe me, it's not being blown out of proportion, and as more people complete the game, there will be more people saying how horrible the endings are. I love the game, I just want a better ending.

See this is what I'm getting at, you're one of the few people I have seen who does not hate the overall game because of the endings, that's what I'm trying to get at.

Most people I've talked to about this seem to love the game, but feel let down by the ending, which I agree with. I can see where you're coming from though, but the reason people hate the entire game/trilogy is because the endings just make it all seem pointless. They feel like there is no closure, and like our choices don't matter. We're all just hoping Bioware sees how upset we are and gives us a proper finale. But I do understand where you're coming from, and I've defended this game series for years. It's my favorite franchise and I hope to see Mass Effect 4 soon. I'm just upset because this is the end of Shepard's story according to Bioware, and it had a disappointing conclusion.

That I can see completely, to put so much time and effort into this character's journey only to have it dictated in such as stupid way is disappointing. And this does add more fuel to the anti-Bioware/anti-EA/anti-Mass Effect fire. I know that I probably worded my OP incorrectly as it seems my point is not coming across well enough.

[J5550123]

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Also, I am not condemning anyone for disliking the game due to the endings. I'm just saying that currently I feel like it is being blown out of proportion.

Believe me, it's not being blown out of proportion, and as more people complete the game, there will be more people saying how horrible the endings are. I love the game, I just want a better ending.

See this is what I'm getting at, you're one of the few people I have seen who does not hate the overall game because of the endings, that's what I'm trying to get at.

Most people I've talked to about this seem to love the game, but feel let down by the ending, which I agree with. I can see where you're coming from though, but the reason people hate the entire game/trilogy is because the endings just make it all seem pointless. They feel like there is no closure, and like our choices don't matter. We're all just hoping Bioware sees how upset we are and gives us a proper finale. But I do understand where you're coming from, and I've defended this game series for years. It's my favorite franchise and I hope to see Mass Effect 4 soon. I'm just upset because this is the end of Shepard's story according to Bioware, and it had a disappointing conclusion.

That I can see completely, to put so much time and effort into this character's journey only to have it dictated in such as stupid way is disappointing. And this does add more fuel to the anti-Bioware/anti-EA/anti-Mass Effect fire. I know that I probably worded my OP incorrectly as it seems my point is not coming across well enough.

I do agree with what you're saying, that you can't say a game is trash just because of the ending. The game is definitely not trash, far from it in fact. It's just depressing at the end. The last few minutes are the only complaint I have about it.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

Toxilium92 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Toxilium92 wrote...

Finish the game first, jeez. This isn't being blown out of proportion at all. The same nonsense happened with this game that happened with Halo 2's and Fallout 3's endings. Every ending is just awful.

Halo 3's ending was actually pretty good. So was Oblivion's, Skyrim's (as much as I find the story to be weak, the ending is pretty awesome). What I was getting at wast that people are blowing it out of proportion by basing the entire game off of the story. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear enough, I just didnt' want to come across as attacking anyone.

I never said Halo 3's endng, i said Halo 2's (with the Arbiter). And I give the game it's merits, mainly highly improved combat versatility and customization. At the end of the day though, Mass Effect is most well known for it's story and choices. No one cares about the gameplay much, since it's not that great to begin with (the combat gets old really fast). If the best thing in the game fails to deliver, well what do we have? An $80 paperweight with subpar cooperative multiplayer.

I only brought up Halo 3 because of your "every ending is just awful" comment. Aside from that, I've been against multiplayer in the series since the start and it will get old very quickly. It can be fun on occasion, but not worth picking up XBL Gold for. Anyways I'm just trying to give my opinion without getting attacked, but I keep forgetting the rules of the internet, for that I'm sorry. Bioware was in the wrong here, I have no doubt about that. I am however glad to see that there are people who didn't hate the overall game. The story screwing up at the end is a serious flaw, absolutely no doubt, and I'm not condemning people's rage. I actually support it, I'm just trying to bring into proportion that in my opinion that ME3 is still a good game (maybe not great, but at the very least good).

Modifié par ChaosAgentLoki, 08 mars 2012 - 12:34 .

[azc23]

The game is good but there are a lot of little things that bother me beyond the ending. Like how we lost compelling squadmates from me 2 and in their place got a sex bot, an imbedded reporter who tries to sleep with you after the first interview and looks like a mountain troll, and Freddie prince jr.

So for them we lost permanent squadmates like jack (who seemed truly stellar in the second game), Miranda, Moradin, Grunt, Zaeed...

The game feels lazy and rushed much like DA 2.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

azc23 wrote...

The game is good but there are a lot of little things that bother me beyond the ending. Like how we lost compelling squadmates from me 2 and in their place got a sex bot, an imbedded reporter who tries to sleep with you after the first interview and looks like a mountain troll, and Freddie prince jr.

So for them we lost permanent squadmates like jack (who seemed truly stellar in the second game), Miranda, Moradin, Grunt, Zaeed...

The game feels lazy and rushed much like DA 2.

I have not yet played DA 2 so I can't really compare the two, however, I do see where you're coming from. As soon as I stepped into engineering and found Ken and Gabby not there, I was ticked. Jack not being a part of my party was another issue. As I mentioned in another post in this thread, I won't say ME3 is a great game due to issues such as these. However, it's still a good game, at least in my opinion, one that I do not regret picking up and do enjoy.

[ebrodje]

the game is great would be the best game ive ever played is the best series. But the ending had med staggering. Many people view their character as their baby and ME has been around since 07. People have waited so long for a good ending. Bioware failed at what they are suppodely best at story

[J5550123]

ebrodje wrote...

the game is great would be the best game ive ever played is the best series. But the ending had med staggering. Many people view their character as their baby and ME has been around since 07. People have waited so long for a good ending. Bioware failed at what they are suppodely best at story

They are definitely known for story, so it is astounding that they failed to give us a satisfying ending.

[Mfinn3333]

It was a fantastic game that finished with nothing.

I felt the last few hours were just terrible. I had my Shepard in a relationship across three games and I didn't even find out what happened to them.

Even the Matrix Revolutions had a better ending than this, they didn't explain anything but we know what happened to everybody.

[Dragoni89]

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Also, I am not condemning anyone for disliking the game due to the endings. I'm just saying that currently I feel like it is being blown out of proportion.

Believe me, it's not being blown out of proportion, and as more people complete the game, there will be more people saying how horrible the endings are. I love the game, I just want a better ending.

See this is what I'm getting at, you're one of the few people I have seen who does not hate the overall game because of the endings, that's what I'm trying to get at.

Most people I've talked to about this seem to love the game, but feel let down by the ending, which I agree with. I can see where you're coming from though, but the reason people hate the entire game/trilogy is because the endings just make it all seem pointless. They feel like there is no closure, and like our choices don't matter. We're all just hoping Bioware sees how upset we are and gives us a proper finale. But I do understand where you're coming from, and I've defended this game series for years. It's my favorite franchise and I hope to see Mass Effect 4 soon. I'm just upset because this is the end of Shepard's story according to Bioware, and it had a disappointing conclusion.

That I can see completely, to put so much time and effort into this character's journey only to have it dictated in such as stupid way is disappointing. And this does add more fuel to the anti-Bioware/anti-EA/anti-Mass Effect fire. I know that I probably worded my OP incorrectly as it seems my point is not coming across well enough.

I do agree with what you're saying, that you can't say a game is trash just because of the ending. The game is definitely not trash, far from it in fact. It's just depressing at the end. The last few minutes are the only complaint I have about it.

Yeah I truly belieave it is a fail, its lacking in content incomparison to both ME1 and ME2. When I am playing this there is no longer that adventure feeling of an rpg. My war assets does absolutely nothing, doesnt ugrade my ship or crew members, just a bunch of numbers in an excel spreadsheet.. Maybe if Atari or Turain permantly starts coming to my  ship as part of my crew, I will feel there invovlement in the war efffort. Key characters leaving the ship and never seening them again. There is complete lack of loyalty quests, so how are relationships being developed with your party members beyond that chat log? MASS EFFECT fans did not wait five years to be stuck on the cidital as their only free area to explore. Bioware promised to answer all question yet leaves us with huge clift hanger. I am huge fan of the KOTOR series and old bioware games, including dragon age:origins. I was so dissapointed when KOTOR III did not become finished. This probably the second most disppointing thing related tto Bioware. A majority of people who have preorder the collerctors and digital deluxe versions, with the notion that finally MASS EFFECT IS GOING TO HAVE EPIC ENDING. Barely anything new is added to the game play from ME2 ( I really did not care for the game play in the first place). ALOT OF PEOPLE PURCHASED IT FOR THE ENDING. In dragon age origins we got back round information all the key characters and what you did right after. That was basically a fitting end for the DA:O. But we got NOTHING in MASS EFFECT 3. None of questions are answered. They should have given use more history on the Reapers, maybe finding out more keepers. Maybe a record of what happened with them. The other ancient races.At least show Tali on her planet with proper face, we didn't go take back her planet from the geth to be deprived of this.  Maybe they promote you to replace Udina as Human council/specter. All we got at the end is point less side quests that ask you to launch pots and telling you nothing new. Once it comes to the ending your left with endings that basically spells the end for technology. How is the human race going to survive? There were no happy endings, why deprivee people who play it to get a full survival ending, a "glorius ending." But we got half finished ending s that spells the end for the human race. Use our imagination? Bioware threw around so many talks about different features and how the ending all players would like. What a bunch of bull crap.  I am looking for details on key characters that did not die and how they lived after wards. None of choices since the start of the game even matter at all in the end. On a final note: People waited FIVE YEARS for the ending to mass effect, and there is no way, a majority of us are gonna accept this as the  ending to Mass Effect. I think people have the right to over react to this ending when waiting a full five years, only to be left hanging.

I know I repeated alot of stuff, I was typing away with my ramblelings. Alot of sp mistakes. Anyway after DA2 (was a dissapointemnt with a bad story). ME3 was just a nail to t he coffin to bioware fans that loved their past glory .

Modifié par Dragoni89, 08 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[Liamv2]

Original ending sucked