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[brunomalta]

DJBare wrote...

I play games to be rewarded if I put the effort in, I've gone through spoilers and videos, there is no reward for the "player" no matter how much effort is put in.
P.S my "opinion"

Isn´t the journey a reward on itself?

[robotnist]

I'm proof that a Bioware fan loves ME3. I have been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate. yeah, i think that's enough "too cool for nerd school" cred. i have played every game after BG1 as well. I have also beat every Bioware game, they're the only ones i actually care enough about to do so. they're my #1 fave developer.

Have I ever been disappointed by a game or something bioware has done? yes.
ME2 was my least favorite BW game, yet i still liked it. i was a little bummed about some of the design features of DA2, but i am STILL actively playing DA2 every day on my PC and 360! as well as DAO... when it comes to playign an RPG that you truly bond with your companions DA2 knocks it out of the park.

my heart was broken when Aveline decided not to be with me. i felt i found a true friend when i met Varric. i was sick to my stomach when i lost my mother... it all mattered. i think thats a great example of a role playing game, if your affected by your companions and you affect the world, its a great RPG...

[brunomalta]

etherhonky wrote...

I'm proof that a Bioware fan loves ME3. I have been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate. yeah, i think that's enough "too cool for nerd school" cred. i have played every game after BG1 as well. I have also beat every Bioware game, they're the only ones i actually care enough about to do so. they're my #1 fave developer.

Have I ever been disappointed by a game or something bioware has done? yes.
ME2 was my least favorite BW game, yet i still liked it. i was a little bummed about some of the design features of DA2, but i am STILL actively playing DA2 every day on my PC and 360! as well as DAO... when it comes to playign an RPG that you truly bond with your companions DA2 knocks it out of the park.

my heart was broken when Aveline decided not to be with me. i felt i found a true friend when i met Varric. i was sick to my stomach when i lost my mother... it all mattered. i think thats a great example of a role playing game, if your affected by your companions and you affect the world, its a great RPG...

Come to think about it, BG 2 ending was also bad as i remeber it was it not?

[Steptroll]

The Dark Knight of Steel wrote...

I'm a huge fan of the mass effect games I've spent hundreds of hours in both games. I've hardly finished the tu chunka missions, ive been spending so much time admiring the worlds and characters they created. this game is beyond amazing everything is top notch.

haters will always hate because it's cool not to like something that has been given so much praise and is adored by so many others.

so thank you bioware for making one hell of a game keep it up.

Finish the game first, please. Maybe you'll see those hundreds of hours crumble and realize everything you've done was a waste, maybe you'll be perfectly okay with it. Either way, be informed before you speak.

[NGC1300]

Justin2k wrote...

Unicronshepard wrote...

they just kind of slammed the "gay"thing in your face, with no buildup or really any reason.

I'm not against gay people, on either side, but its like religion, do what you do and enjoy being who you are, but i dont need you to stand in front of my face jumping and waving your arms screaming "LOOK AT ME, HEY, HEY, HEY LOOK"

they dont have jo-ho's banging on the airlock, why did they need to be so over-the-top this time?

Exactly.  They weren't interested in gay gamers or writing a realistic gay storyline.  They just wanted to attract new people to the game because Dragon Age got a lot of positive reviews for having gay characters.  The fact that some of these characters were completely straight in ME1 didn't even matter.  It was shoehorned in, just like the multiplayer and everything else, to squeeze more money.

I have nothing against companies making money, but it's a joke to put all these additional extras in the final game of a series and neglect to put in a conversation system or a decent ending to the story.

I do agree on this aspect regarding Cortez content; however, the Kaidan one seems decent to me.

[Loreshield]

I love Mass Effect 1 and 2 so much I'd have inappropriate sexual contact with those games.

But as it stands right now, not having finished the game yet, it seems the same will be true for ME3. I certainly don't feel like I, as a loyal fan, have been left out of the loop.

Wait, didn't we have the exact same discussion when ME2 came out and it was so radically different in so many ways from ME1?

[Heather Cline]

aries1001 wrote...

Those of you who complain about the auto dialogue system are you playing in action mode or story mode or rpg mode? I'm asking because in action mode the game automatically chooses the dialogue responses for you....

Also, in a game like The Witcher (just comparing) Geralt will often begin the conversation with an NPC by saying one thing and then Geralt will talk you through the dialogue himself - I often wished I had more say over what Geralt said in The Witcher, but the story was amazing...

From what I've seen so far ME3's seem to be either not as good as Witcher's or that the story is amazing or that the endings are either amazing or very bad. However, as fans of Bioware, we'll buy the game anyway (at least when we can afford it), so Bioware will need to market the game, ME3, to other fans that us - just to sell enough copies of the game to break even...finacially....

I'm playing in RPG mode where I'm supposed to have full control over conversations and also have the full combat experience. There are lots of places where there is a lot of auto-dialogue where you would in ME1 and ME2 have a dialogue wheel come up. In ME2 with the interrupts you'd have those come up or have the option of a dialogue wheel if you skipped the interrupts. ME3 no such thing, it's one or the other which I don't particularly enjoy.

Like I said there are many things that I don't like about the game so far but there are other things I do enjoy.

[Super.Sid]

They hardly seem to care and here is the reason
http://www.vg247.com...lion-worldwide/

Too bad it wont go down well with the majority of the people who have finished the game just coz of the flawed endings.

Modifié par Super.Sid, 09 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[Travie]

About a year ago I mentioned in passing (somewhere on the forums) that the only thing I wanted out of ME3 was the ability to brofist Garrus.

...that somehow made it into the game.

Now, Bioware did make some mistakes on this game and should be criticized for them, but not listening to the fans isn't one of them.

THEY DO LISTEN, sometimes they just don't agree.

[Reorte]

Super.Sid wrote...

They hardly seem to care and here is the reason
http://www.vg247.com...lion-worldwide/

Too bad it wont go down well with the majority of the people who have finished the game just coz of the flawed endings.

ME3 will have largely sold on the back of the first two games. It says little about ME3 itself (not that that'll stop BW from claiming what a great job they've done). DLC sales will be a better reflection of the overall reception of ME3.

[Super.Sid]

Reorte wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

They hardly seem to care and here is the reason
http://www.vg247.com...lion-worldwide/

Too bad it wont go down well with the majority of the people who have finished the game just coz of the flawed endings.

ME3 will have largely sold on the back of the first two games. It says little about ME3 itself (not that that'll stop BW from claiming what a great job they've done). DLC sales will be a better reflection of the overall reception of ME3.

But arent you guys always willing to forgive and forget for your favourite game " Just give them another chance, they will do well"
Customers can be deceived so easily and yet when they cannot face facts they try to defend their point of view.The seller makes a profit and runs off with it.

[maxulic]

Justin2k wrote...

So it looks like Bioware went all out on Mass Effect 3 to attract

The competitive multiplayer market
The gears of war market
The gay gamer market
The fast paced action gamer market
The casual gamer market
The people that are addicted to buying DLC packs in the hope they get a certain character market.

All well and great.  Loads of new players and loads of money for you hopefully.  But just like in Dragon Age 2, you forgot one market.  You know, the old faithful market that buy all your games, love all your games and really just wanted a decent ending to something we started playing 6 years ago, a decent face for Tali that shows some imagination, a reflection that our choices mattered and most importantly the conversation system we've been using for the whole series.

Seriously what were you thinking?  "They are going to buy it regardless, we've got their money in the bank, lets concentrate on making money elsewhere"?  Because thats what it seems like.  Do this stuff on a new franchise by all means, but come off it, you don't even give us a decent ending?  Or maybe you're planning on selling it to us later?  It's bad business and people will stop buying your stuff.

I consider myself as a massive fan of Mass Effect, I spent quite a lot of money on this franchise and so far I am having a blast. It doesn't mean that I am fine with everything, for instance I find the quest journal to be horrible due to the lack of quest updates but it still doesn't change the fact that I am having the blast.

So your point was?

Justin2k wrote...

melisma wrote...

'Gay
gamers' is not a separate category from 'the fanbase'. If you think that
gay people didn't play Mass Effect before, you're very much mistaken.

I have no issue with gays, don't start that.  I'm saying
that they added all the gay relationship stuff as a way to appeal to
the gay market who were not already playing Mass Effect.

And
tbh, the gay people who play are a very small minority and the speech
options given in the gay relationships could have been put to better use
by having more speech options in the game for every player to see
tbh.

Yeah kinda like gay people thought "ZOMG I can make out with Zevran!" and run to their local store to buy DA:O...

Makes sense... not.

Modifié par maxulic, 09 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[CerberusSoldier]

hey Op the whole Mass Effect series has been a shooter with rpg elements added on to it . so deal with it

[brunomalta]

Man..some people are homophobic and don´t admit it. What is the matter with some gay characters? Jesus man...this is normal on this day and age.

[Reorte]

Super.Sid wrote...

Reorte wrote...

ME3 will have largely sold on the back of the first two games. It says little about ME3 itself (not that that'll stop BW from claiming what a great job they've done). DLC sales will be a better reflection of the overall reception of ME3.

But arent you guys always willing to forgive and forget for your favourite game " Just give them another chance, they will do well"
Customers can be deceived so easily and yet when they cannot face facts they try to defend their point of view.The seller makes a profit and runs off with it.

You can get away with it a few times, but not every time. ME3 riding on the back of two great games will sell well regardless - they've got the hook into people already, which gives rise to what you're saying. There are various aspects of ME3, such as auto-dialogue, that people will grumble about but most will put up with, but large dissapointment only goes so far. I can understand why they've done that sort of thing even if it's disappointing.

"Appealing to every market but the fanbase" doesn't really apply to the biggest problem the fanbase is having with ME3. All the other markets who aren't bothered about it almost certainly wouldn't be bothered if it did appeal to the fanbase, and it wouldn't have been any harder to make. Even if it doesn't lose BW that much in sales it's still an unnecessary loss when they could've sucked in every market. I'm sure it will still continue to sell well, and so will DLC, but are
the people unhappy with the big ME3 issue going to be buying the DLC?
I'm sure it'll hurt sales - they won't forgive and forget. They may buy
another game, taken entirely on its own merits but some of the loyalty being exploited has definitely been lost. I won't even buy ME3 as it stands.

[TwistedComplex]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Justin 2k seems to think he speaks for everyone.

Justin, you speak for yourself.

Sorry you didn't liek it as much as we hoped you would.

What a cliche response 

[adembroski11]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Justin 2k seems to think he speaks for everyone.

Justin, you speak for yourself.

Sorry you didn't liek it as much as we hoped you would.

I'd say he speaks for a significant portion of the established fan base. The cries of 0/10, worst game ever, stuff like that is ridiculous. I'm not going to sit here and I'm NOT enjoying the game. I absolutely am. 

I guess what many of us would really like is an honest discussion with you as to why the choise was made to reduce a lot of the role playing in the game. A lot of the time, this character doesn't feel like the Shepard I've established over the first two games. I feel like it might not bug me as much if I were able to hear it from the horse's mouth why you went that direction.

By the same token, there are those who'd never be satisfied with your response. It could be the most logical, intelligent, and reasonable answer ever, and you'd get flamed for it either way. It's disappointing, more than anything, to know that the immaturity of some people makes it impossible for the reasonable among us to have a serious dialog regarding our criticisms of the game.

[newplayer64]

ME2 was different, arguably better or worse, than ME1. I don't see how you can argue ME3 to be better than either of the predecessors. The writing was horrible, the choices you've made make no difference (unless a block of text and 30 war assets are your idea of mattering), even LESS shep control than ME2 (auto dialogue and actions - my shep was a cold hearted killer but now he's soft), characters lack depth (interesting but really didn't care at the end of the day), squadmates cannot be customized, overall game is dumbed down for the casual newcomer fan that they marketed to. I should have known it wasn't for a ME fan when they said you could jump right in at the THIRD installment and it's like you missed nothing. Oh and did I mention the writing was horrible? Far-fetched, didn't make sense, was painful at most times, and those endings... if you can even call them that. I like the concept of having the choose but when I actually did it was even more of a letdown than

Spoiler

"building synthetics to kill organics who will make synthetics that will kill organics"

.

I saw someone say it was like a Michael Bay film. It's true. They just shoved off an interesting story with explosions. It works for the Palaven mission (though I found that part interesting) but really, the whole game?

I know I won't be giving BW anymore of my money. And so will lots of people - just watch their DLC sales.

[Swifvri]

etherhonky wrote...

I'm proof that a Bioware fan loves ME3. I have been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate. yeah, i think that's enough "too cool for nerd school" cred. i have played every game after BG1 as well. I have also beat every Bioware game, they're the only ones i actually care enough about to do so. they're my #1 fave developer.

Have I ever been disappointed by a game or something bioware has done? yes.
ME2 was my least favorite BW game, yet i still liked it. i was a little bummed about some of the design features of DA2, but i am STILL actively playing DA2 every day on my PC and 360! as well as DAO... when it comes to playign an RPG that you truly bond with your companions DA2 knocks it out of the park.

my heart was broken when Aveline decided not to be with me. i felt i found a true friend when i met Varric. i was sick to my stomach when i lost my mother... it all mattered. i think thats a great example of a role playing game, if your affected by your companions and you affect the world, its a great RPG...

Well said.

[PiEman]

beank wrote...

Toyou4you wrote...
You probably had your expectations to high as long with all the trolls.

Whats wrong with having high expectations?

Apparently, some poeple on this site think it's wrong to hope for video game companies to make quality products anymore, and we should all just lower our expectations to fit this and give EA our money.

[Wise Men]

Justin2k wrote...

piemanz wrote...

I'm "The fanbase" and i love it. Whats hilarious about this thread is that you can tell that bioware really lisened to the fanbase. Hell, i'ts virtually a love letter to ME1 with a gay romance thrown in.

You didn't see the ending yet i take it.

Your opinion is valid.  However, some of us liked the ending that we got.

Bioware's goal has always been to engage us emotionally (with the characters etc.) I submit that they have succeeded here. This is reflected when people say "I hated the ending because it made me angry or sad or happy, for that matter". They still win because they have engaged you emotionally on some level. All endings to a book or a movie or a game need not only evoke one type of emotion (happiness) to be a "good ending". I walked away from a movie many times feeling emotionally drained and maybe a little upset that my favorite character didn't make it...or that the bad guy won. The ending is the ending. It's not as if people are mad at the ending because it's broken. I could be wrong here, but I imaging that they are mad because it's not what they expected it to be.

If that is the case, let's stop creating expectations for ourselves about what the ending should be and simply enjoy the story that the developers have crafted for us. I understand that some of us feel that our choices in the game should determine a certain ending. However, this is a story that's built on the notion that consequences are not always that simple.  Sometimes your actions can yeild unexpected results.

Modifié par Wise Men, 09 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[Reorte]

Wise Men wrote...

Your opinion is valid.  However, some of us liked the ending that we got.

Bioware's goal has always been to engage us emotionally (with the characters etc.) I submit that they have succeeded here. This is reflected when people say "I hated the ending because it made me angry or sad or happy, for that matter". They still win because they have engaged you emotionally on some level. All endings to a book or a movie or a game need not only evoke one type of emotion (happiness) to be a "good ending". I walked away from a movie many times feeling emotionally drained and maybe a little upset that my favorite character didn't make it...or that the bad guy won. The ending is the ending. It's not as if people are mad at the ending because it's broken. I could be wrong here, but I imaging that they are mad because it's not what they expected it to be.

If that is the case, let's stop creating expectations for ourselves about what the ending should be and simply enjoy the story that the developers have crafted for us. I understand that some of us feel that our choices in the game should determine a certain ending. However, this is a story that's built on the notion that consequences are not always that simple.  Sometimes your actions can yeild unexpected results.

It's always far easier to upset people than make them happy. Why do you want to get emotionally engaged just to be hurt by it? I certainly don't feel like thanking an ex girlfriend for leaving me feeling like crap. If it had been consistent with the tone of the rest of the series it wouldn't have been so bad.

edit to add: I'd be disappointed if the perfect ending for me was the only possible ending (even if not as much). ME2 managed to get that right, where the end could be anything from really depressing to pretty damned heroic depending upon how you played (apart from it being too easy to get everything right and rather too hard to completely muck it up).

Modifié par Reorte, 09 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[adembroski11]

Lots of discussion about quality. A valid discussion for, say, Dragon Age 2... I don't think it applies here. ME3 is a quality game. The question is not "Is ME3 a good game" but "does ME3 fit into the Mass Effect trilogy".

It doesn't feel like quite the same game to me. ME2 was a departure from ME1, but I feel like the core was still there. The tech has advanced leaps and bounds since ME1, but the "soul" of the game seems to have faded.

[Wise Men]

Reorte wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

Your opinion is valid.  However, some of us liked the ending that we got.

Bioware's goal has always been to engage us emotionally (with the characters etc.) I submit that they have succeeded here. This is reflected when people say "I hated the ending because it made me angry or sad or happy, for that matter". They still win because they have engaged you emotionally on some level. All endings to a book or a movie or a game need not only evoke one type of emotion (happiness) to be a "good ending". I walked away from a movie many times feeling emotionally drained and maybe a little upset that my favorite character didn't make it...or that the bad guy won. The ending is the ending. It's not as if people are mad at the ending because it's broken. I could be wrong here, but I imaging that they are mad because it's not what they expected it to be.

If that is the case, let's stop creating expectations for ourselves about what the ending should be and simply enjoy the story that the developers have crafted for us. I understand that some of us feel that our choices in the game should determine a certain ending. However, this is a story that's built on the notion that consequences are not always that simple.  Sometimes your actions can yeild unexpected results.

It's always far easier to upset people than make them happy. Why do you want to get emotionally engaged just to be hurt by it? I certainly don't feel like thanking an ex girlfriend for leaving me feeling like crap. If it had been consistent with the tone of the rest of the series it wouldn't have been so bad.

edit to add: I'd be disappointed if the perfect ending for me was the only possible ending (even if not as much). ME2 managed to get that right, where the end could be anything from really depressing to pretty damned heroic depending upon how you played (apart from it being too easy to get everything right and rather too hard to completely muck it up).

Why be emotionally engaged to be hurt by it? Haven't you ever cried at the end of bambi(LOL). 

***NO SPOILERS HERE***the examples I use below should not be taken to reflect the ending (s) of Mass Effect 3. I'm using these examples to make a point.


But seriously, I see your point.  Here's mine; I was pretty upset that Hanibal Lector got away at the end of "Hanibal".  I was also in tears when I saw the ending to "7 pounds".  But those are my two favorite movies of all time.  Somehow the depressing or less than perfect endings really stick with us.

Modifié par Wise Men, 09 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[robmokron]

People are complaining about "auto dialogue' but you have to think of a couple of things

1. Alot of the auto dialogue would have just been the "investigate" tab, they just did it for you
2. This has to end the trilogy of shepard, it has to end, and the urgency. o tell the ending bioware wanted, they had to do this, would it been appropriate in 2? Probably not, however, in 3, i think the "auto-dialogue sequences are nice and well fitting.