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[Wise Men]

robmokron wrote...

People are complaining about "auto dialogue' but you have to think of a couple of things

1. Alot of the auto dialogue would have just been the "investigate" tab, they just did it for you
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This is an interesting point.  I never thought about it that way.  So it's like, instead of having to press a button to investigate , you just walk near it.  I think FF13 did that too. 

[WildGunsTomcat]

brunomalta wrote...

Man..some people are homophobic and don´t admit it. What is the matter with some gay characters? Jesus man...this is normal on this day and age.

Man, some people play the homophobic card to avoid the real issue that the op put forward. 

Its happened to me, it has happened to many others on this forum I'm sure that DARE to say ANYTHING about gay people other than "Omg I love gay people, I wish I was gay too!" 

Op didn't say one bad thing about being gay. He merely stated that Bioware, nay, most companies now are afraid to make gay people angry because they might pull the homophobe card (much as you just did) and destroy our business. 

The reality is that most gay mass effect players agree, the whole gay thing felt forced...contrived...and not natural at all. It was put in as a gimmick to *appeal* to the gay community. 

It's sad you can't bring this topic up without being labelled a bigot or a gay basher. Christwagons. 

[Heather Cline]

I liked investigating when talking to people in ME1 and ME2. Having most of that removed sucked. Which is why I hate the auto dialogue options in ME3.

I liked the way the homosexual romances were engaged in ME3. One of the characters was married, the other one other than Liara just made comments about EDI and you eventually picked up on it. Seriously, it was well implemented. One person was out and proud, the other alluded to it until you figured it out or you read the strategy guide that was out the day the game launched.

It's not so in your face as Anders flirting with you in DA2, it's people talking about their lives and just being people. That is one thing I like about the ME3 game but there are so many flaws that overshadow that as well.

[karushna5]

WildGunsTomcat wrote...


The reality is that most gay mass effect players agree, the whole gay thing felt forced...contrived...and not natural at all. It was put in as a gimmick to *appeal* to the gay community. 

It's sad you can't bring this topic up without being labelled a bigot or a gay basher. Christwagons. 

I agree that people use homophobic too often. It is a slur that is often untrue although sometimes is, not in this thread. I still stand by fans are fans and adding content like this is inclusive, never seen someone complain in the gay community. 2 or 3 people who think of themselves as gay on this topic alone said they loved it.

And it is just a fact that most gay romances are played by people who are straight. Out of all the people I have met in real life part of my gaming community all but one person  has played a same sex romances.

Straight guys play lesbian romances. Straight girls play gay romances. And here is the kicker some are completionists and straight girls play lesbian romances, straight guys play gay romances. Most of the people who like same sex romances are straight. Many have been hardcore fans since the first one. Check youtube for Male shep and Kaiden vids. So adding such romances actually is not pandering or being scared of the LGBT community but actually being nice to a majority of their fans.

[Aesieru]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Justin 2k seems to think he speaks for everyone.

Justin, you speak for yourself.

Sorry you didn't liek it as much as we hoped you would.

A  lot of people express the same sentiment as Justin.

But let's all remember, you didn't admit you were wrong about DA2 and yet that game had a massive amount of returns.

You won't admit it this time either.

You deny the Reapers exist.

[Aesieru]

Wise Men wrote...

robmokron wrote...

People are complaining about "auto dialogue' but you have to think of a couple of things

1. Alot of the auto dialogue would have just been the "investigate" tab, they just did it for you
.

This is an interesting point.  I never thought about it that way.  So it's like, instead of having to press a button to investigate , you just walk near it.  I think FF13 did that too. 

Yeah not in most cases, a lot of auto dialog is making decisions for you.

[FrozenDreamfall]

Aesieru wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

robmokron wrote...

People are complaining about "auto dialogue' but you have to think of a couple of things

1. Alot of the auto dialogue would have just been the "investigate" tab, they just did it for you
.

This is an interesting point.  I never thought about it that way.  So it's like, instead of having to press a button to investigate , you just walk near it.  I think FF13 did that too. 

Yeah not in most cases, a lot of auto dialog is making decisions for you.

True,I thought the whole game was deep and amazing,but dialog choices were pretty limited comparing to the other 2.Many games,movies these days seem to get worse series by series,we had so much hope in this game...and they said they're not gonna realease any after-game DLC,so unless they get convinced by the majority,I doubt anything's gonna change sadly.I for one,am imagining a different ending and pretending this nightmare never happened...5 years,5 damn years!!

[MPSai]

WildGunsTomcat wrote...

brunomalta wrote...

Man..some people are homophobic and don´t admit it. What is the matter with some gay characters? Jesus man...this is normal on this day and age.

Man, some people play the homophobic card to avoid the real issue that the op put forward. 

Its happened to me, it has happened to many others on this forum I'm sure that DARE to say ANYTHING about gay people other than "Omg I love gay people, I wish I was gay too!"

No one expects people to say that. You're not showing you have a very mature attitude thar.

Op didn't say one bad thing about being gay. He merely stated that Bioware, nay, most companies now are afraid to make gay people angry because they might pull the homophobe card (much as you just did) and destroy our business.

Right he didn't say anything bad about gay people, except to imply they aren't part of the real fanbase. And now you're implying gay people will destroy businesses over there being no gay romance options in Bioware games. The problem from day one has been the hypocrisy of having a lesbian option for FemShep and no gay option for BroShep, and then Bioware making things worse by trying to back away from the fact there had ever been a lesbian romance option.

The reality is that most gay mass effect players agree, the whole gay thing felt forced...contrived...and not natural at all. It was put in as a gimmick to *appeal* to the gay community.

Don't feel that way personally. In fact I rather liked how there wasn't a big spotlight on Cortez having had a husband. He was a man grieving a spouse lost in the initial attacks, the dialog would have been no different had it been a husband or a wife. And Shepard doesn't even bat an eye. What I take from that is that 170 years in the future gay marriage is a complete non issue and a regular part of society. I wouldn't call that contrived.

Modifié par MPSai, 10 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

While most of the auto dialogue is just questions, a lot if it is character defining as well. For example, squad conversations. I'm not talking about the Zaeed styled dialogue between the squad conversations, but the normal squad conversations. Most of it was auto dialogue with maybe a choice or two. Some squad conversations have no choices at all, again normal convos, not the zaeed one.

I just don't see how they justified this. Seeing Casey Hudson talk about the dialogue wheel in me1 vids and how excited they were to be using something like that, just to throw it out n the third game. Nobody wanted the dialogue wheel removed. No one wanted less control of their character. I just don't see why they did this..

Another thing, the romances. Without going into spoilers, there's no depth to the romance oonversations. When it's not in auto dialogue, you choose whether your in a romance or not. If you choose the former, it goes on with auto dialogue the rest of the romance. When you choose the latter, it just breaks you up. Compare that to me1s romance, or me2. That's how it is for squad talks as well.

-Polite

[WildGunsTomcat]

MPSai wrote...

WildGunsTomcat wrote...

brunomalta wrote...

Man..some people are homophobic and don´t admit it. What is the matter with some gay characters? Jesus man...this is normal on this day and age.

Man, some people play the homophobic card to avoid the real issue that the op put forward. 

Its happened to me, it has happened to many others on this forum I'm sure that DARE to say ANYTHING about gay people other than "Omg I love gay people, I wish I was gay too!"

No one expects people to say that. You're not showing you have a very mature attitude thar.

Op didn't say one bad thing about being gay. He merely stated that Bioware, nay, most companies now are afraid to make gay people angry because they might pull the homophobe card (much as you just did) and destroy our business.

Right he didn't say anything bad about gay people, except to imply they aren't part of the real fanbase. And now you're implying gay people will destroy businesses over there being no gay romance options in Bioware games. The problem from day one has been the hypocrisy of having a lesbian option for FemShep and no gay option for BroShep, and then Bioware making things worse by trying to back away from the fact there had ever been a lesbian romance option.

The reality is that most gay mass effect players agree, the whole gay thing felt forced...contrived...and not natural at all. It was put in as a gimmick to *appeal* to the gay community.

Don't feel that way personally. In fact I rather liked how there wasn't a big spotlight on Cortez having had a husband. He was a man grieving a spouse lost in the initial attacks, the dialog would have been no different had it been a husband or a wife. And Shepard doesn't even bat an eye. What I take from that is that 170 years in the future gay marriage is a complete non issue and a regular part of society. I wouldn't call that contrived.

No MPS, I'm showing that I don't agree with most peoples' attitudes on here with regards to the gay topic. If you even bring up the word GAY....it had better be something nice about gay people...and you'd better support them...or by God you're on auto-bigot from here forward. I think that's really screwed up. 

And I didn't get any inference from OP that gay people aren't a part of the fanbase at all. I'm not sure where you got that idea? What he's saying is Mass Effect 3 suffered because Bioware pandered to many special interest groups...one of which was the gay community....and not because they want to make gay people feel welcome...it was because they wanted that gay money. 

My post earlier was my attempt at smartassery, so I apologize if you mistook me trying to be humorous as me being immature. 

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

i have followed bioware since the first KOTOR.....and i still love them and i dont think they are sellouts. and i love this game....dont know why everyone else is so butthurt all the time

[Jaron Oberyn]

Maybe because there was no reason to break the formula of the dialogue wheel that has been widely successful in the last two games. Now we just watch cutscenes with our shepards that we created being railroaded into a canon Shepard.

-Polite

[Bendok]

I think the entire game was a huge fan service, LOVED IT, up until the last 5 minutes... which ruined everything for me.

[MPSai]

it had better be something nice about gay people...and you'd better support them...or by God you're on auto-bigot from here forward. I think that's really screwed up.

Hard not to see that when people are freaking out over gay people existing at all in a game. 

And I didn't get any inference from OP that gay people aren't a part of the fanbase at all. I'm not sure where you got that idea?

Well the title of the thread is "appealing to every market but the fanbase" and he says the "gay gamer market" is one of those. Which implies that gay gamers are not part of the Mass Effect fanbase. And that we're a market. And that we'd only buy a game if it has gay options. 

What he's saying is Mass Effect 3 suffered because Bioware pandered to many special interest groups...one of which was the gay community....and not because they want to make gay people feel welcome...it was because they wanted that gay money.

Again, gay people don't buy video games just for gay content. Gay people who aren't gamers or aren't Mass Effect fans aren't going to run out and buy ME3 because it has gay options. And ME has always had gay options, its just that they were only for the female varient of Shepard, which is a pretty big double standard.  

[onecromancero]

I'm an avid Mass Effect fan and have been since 1. I've beaten it over 10 times and ME2 over 3 and I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with ME3. Don't get me wrong, 3 is definitely better than the first two but it's still underwhelming. The only major improvements I saw where in the gameplay and banter. Some of the biggest complaints I have with this game are technical issues. At times the textures, facial animations, and body animations are abysmal.

[TygerHeart]

Though I don't remember the password or have the e-mail address I registered under, I own Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights 1,2 and all expansions for both, KotOR and KotOR II (alright, that's Obsidian). Dragon Age 1 and all expansion packs and 2 (but no payed extra content), ME 1, 2, and 3 and all extra payed content. (Note though, I don't do the Limited thing.)

I enjoy the game fine. I enjoy the multiplayer (and love the method of keeping the levels flowing.) I haven't paid actual money for the MP packs. Kinda sucks though, I want to play a Quarian engineer and it's not unlocking.

I'm not buying Battlefield just for that unlock. I would by an MP character pack that unlocks all of them ... if it included a Kilrathi Soldier.

The ending is just depressing.

[AlanC9]

WildGunsTomcat wrote...
 you even bring up the word GAY....it had better be something nice about gay people...and you'd better support them...or by God you're on auto-bigot from here forward. I think that's really screwed up.

I'm confused. Bigots shouldn't be called on their bigotry?

[WildGunsTomcat]

AlanC9 wrote...

WildGunsTomcat wrote...
 you even bring up the word GAY....it had better be something nice about gay people...and you'd better support them...or by God you're on auto-bigot from here forward. I think that's really screwed up.

I'm confused. Bigots shouldn't be called on their bigotry?

Case in point. So if I say to you that I disagree with a certain aspect of the gay agenda, that makes me a bigot? 

What a world we live in. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

How about we get this thread back on topic eh?


-Polite

[AlanC9]

WildGunsTomcat wrote...
Case in point. So if I say to you that I disagree with a certain aspect of the gay agenda, that makes me a bigot? 

There's a gay agenda?

@ Polite: the OP had such a dopey premise that I don't see any point in trying to keep the thread on that track. If you've got something constructive out of it, though, by all means redirect us that way.

[MPSai]

WildGunsTomcat wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

WildGunsTomcat wrote...
 you even bring up the word GAY....it had better be something nice about gay people...and you'd better support them...or by God you're on auto-bigot from here forward. I think that's really screwed up.

I'm confused. Bigots shouldn't be called on their bigotry?

Case in point. So if I say to you that I disagree with a certain aspect of the gay agenda, that makes me a bigot? 

What a world we live in. 

If there was a "gay agenda" why would it be wasting resources apparently scaring game makers into including gay romances that most people aren't even going to see?

Modifié par MPSai, 10 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[karushna5]

WildGunsTomcat wrote...
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Case in point. So if I say to you that I disagree with a certain aspect of the gay agenda, that makes me a bigot? 

What a world we live in. 

You are not a bigot. I will say this now.

Although the gay community has no other agenda other than gay marriage (and believe it or not many are a little split on that issue.) and to stop being harrassed. No agenda other than that. Equal rights not more or less just not be called evil in the US is a start.

But once again people are ignoring the fact that gay material is used mostly by straight people, overwhelmingly by straight people. The gay money is not applicable here. A large part of the original fanbase wanted gay content mostly from straight gamers. So the idea that it is pandering to gays is silly. It is pandering to fans who are 90% straight and played the previous games.

Remember how excited some people were at the idea that Ashley might be romanceable by femshep in ME1? True fanbase there who wanted it. Straight people like gay content, not all straight people but alot of them.

[Vapaa]

Bendok wrote...

I think the entire game was a huge fan service, LOVED IT, up until the last 5 minutes... which ruined everything for me.

This, so much this

I mean, the entire game is filled with references and easter eggs, only a fan can see, I really feel awarded in ME3......except for the ending cutscene but that's an other problem