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[gabe2gg]

WarChicken78 wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

 I knew Bioware was going to go down hill fast once they were owned by EA. You could really tell EA was taking control of the company starting with ME2. And by the time DA2 was released EA had the death grip on Bioware. I really thought after the huge backlash from Bioware fans over DA2. That Bioware would redeem them selves.

Please check your facts before complaining here.
Start up ME1 and look whose logo appears after the Bioware one.
Right, EA. Bioware was with EA fom the first ME on. As much as I know they went with EA to be able to produce things like ME and DA:O, because EA has a little bit more of a budget than Bioware alone.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not fond of megacorporations like EA, but you can't just throw blame at them when your blame isn't based on facts.

heh im playing the game now and only see Micosoft next to it. Must be a bad gltich or bug.

[Soulwatcher1974]

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...Try exploring a planet with out firing a single shot. If you hang out on the Normandy all day then ya, you can get away with out firing anything. Its the only place in the game where there is Zero combat.

The Citadel ring any bells? I don't even have a gun on the station.

Yes the Normandy is also a gun free zone but it isn't just a ship. You are doing things on that ship -talking to squaddies, handling research, purchasing, and then the mission related things like running a war council. Wow, that war council was the sort of pulse pounding action you expect from a CoD type game isn't it? White hot action!

I hate to break the bad news to you but there is combat there, play the game.

Really? Well then it must happen later. I've spent a raftload of time on the platform because I've seen no shooting other than the gun range. Still, the fact that there is somne gunplay doesn't elminiate the fact that it is clearly a dialog/character heavy location unlike any shooter you could care to name. There simply aren't shooter that have this level of dialog nor this level of interaction. Even "talky" action games like AC have "one" way to play the character.

You have your opnion and I have mine. There is Zero exploration in the game other then the Nordmany and the Citadel. And they let you pick what planet (shooter level) that you want to play. How many RPG's have you played that have nothing to explore?

[beank]

WarChicken78 wrote...
Start up ME1 and look whose logo appears after the Bioware one.

I just put in ME1 to see if that was true (its been a while since I have played the game so I had to be sure) and there is no EA logo to be found.... there is a Microsoft Game Studio logo though....

I could see some confusion if you bought a copy after the EA takeover (merger or whatever its called).... They might have tacked on their logo, but the original copies are devoid of it....


EDIT: Oops.... soulwatcher beat me too it.... sorry 'bout that....

Edit 2: gabe2gg beat me to it too.... sorry again....

Modifié par beank, 08 mars 2012 - 06:52 .

[Giantdeathrobot]

The ''fanbase'' is now an entity that holds a single opinion? Funny, in my time in the BSN I could have sworn it's a ravenous mass of fanboys/girls, apologists, whiners and shippers, all having their own opinion of how Bioware games in general should be. Could have fooled me there.

And by having played the game a bit, I can certainly say that Bioware most definitely didn't follow the Gears of War route or other such nonsense. There's far more RPG elements than in ME2 (via weapon customization, enhanced Powers additionnal story-related character upgrades, ect), my 6 hours of play have been about 2 of combat (which was also much improved and played better than the first two games if you ask me) and the rest in exploration, dialog and reading/listening to the staggering amount of flavor content and continuity nods (loved the Refund Guy's happy ending), and the characters stayed true to themselves (Ash is still very much Ash despite the makeover), save for Joker being kinda flanderized http://tvtropes.org/.../Flanderization into a slightly perverted nerd.

And before my integrity, sexuality, mental sanity or whatnot is questionned, my first Bioware game was Baldur's Gate 2, and I've loved their products ever since (save for DAII).

Look, I'm just tired of people taking up their swords in a self-righteous crusade against the modern Bioware or EA while proclaiming to speak for the ''true fans''. You have every right not to like ME3 and everything associated with it, but stop trying to associate me and other fans to your arbitrary categorizations.

[Rivercurse]

Yeah I agree with the OP, you should need to have at least 1000 posts on the BSN before you're even allowed to buy ME3.

[MRedfield]

I really don't get all the hate. I've spent most of my playthrough wandering around playing diplomat inside the citadel for HOURS, constantly getting conversation wheels with at least two VERY distinct options instead of five options that all end with the same thing.

The gameplay itself when the action takes over is so much more refined than ME1 or even ME2, it's crisp and not clunky at all. Is that a problem?

I feel like most of these 'die hard' ME1 fans were expecting a text-based adventure game. Confirm? (Y/N).

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

MRedfield wrote...

I really don't get all the hate. I've spent most of my playthrough wandering around playing diplomat inside the citadel for HOURS, constantly getting conversation wheels with at least two VERY distinct options instead of five options that all end with the same thing.

The gameplay itself when the action takes over is so much more refined than ME1 or even ME2, it's crisp and not clunky at all. Is that a problem?

I feel like most of these 'die hard' ME1 fans were expecting a text-based adventure game. Confirm? (Y/N).

I'm a die hard ME 1 fan who hated ME 2 and loved ME 3. But, this thread is about making blanket statements and pretending they're fact. And, that's not just pointed at you, you just happen to be the easiest person to quote.

[SteelEagleShane]

MRedfield wrote...

I really don't get all the hate. I've spent most of my playthrough wandering around playing diplomat inside the citadel for HOURS, constantly getting conversation wheels with at least two VERY distinct options instead of five options that all end with the same thing.

The gameplay itself when the action takes over is so much more refined than ME1 or even ME2, it's crisp and not clunky at all. Is that a problem?

I feel like most of these 'die hard' ME1 fans were expecting a text-based adventure game. Confirm? (Y/N).

Confirm. Y.

I fire my gun at the Husk. Confirm damage? (Y/N)


- OMG GUIZ IN DEPTH ROLEPLAYIN' RIGHT HERE.

On a more serious note, I've played every game in the series. I've loved them all. I'm enjoying tremendously; OP needs to learn to speak in less absolutes when describing the fanbase.

[noxsachi]

With all the callbacks and memes referenced in ME3, I don't see how you can say this isn't a game for the fans...well until you get to the endings. You really need to be a fan to enjoy everything this game offers, sad that few will remain fans..after...you know.

Also saying it appeals to gay gamers is kinda silly to me. I suppose it does, because Cortez is written so well, but I do not view it as pandering. He is integrated very well and does not play to stereotype. And on that topic, Ash is now 100% straight, despite ME1 files to the contrary, and Cortez's counterpart, Miss Traynor has less than half the dialogue he does and is in general criminally underdeveloped and utilized for someone who is a love interest. I am glad ME did step up for the gay gamers, but it really did a disservice to the lesbian half of gay gamers.

[karushna5]

Justin2k wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

I always found the ****ing about the gay romances hilarious. Considering that Bioware made an entire race of magical blue space lesbians. And they have been there for day one.

I don't care about gay relationships, don't turn it into that.  I'm totally fine with gay people, I have many gay friends.

And they'd be insulted that a gay relationship plays out the way it does in ME3 tbh, but thats besides the point.

The point is, we have never had this feature in Mass Effect.  Adding it in the third installment is fine, but not at the expense of the things that are really important to the majority of the players, i.e conversation choices and a decent ending.

Gay relationships were just one of many unneccessary things they put in that detracted from the game being like the two before it.  They would be better off having left it out, and including it from the very beginning of their next franchise, and writing the characters to be gay from the start rather than just "hey shepard, i'm gay now!!" right at the end.

Why leave it out? And it didn't subtract anything adding more stuff isn't taking away. I am part of the gay community sure. Lots of people enjoy these games don't find it insulting in the least. Next read the Same sex thread most people on there are straight most people playing gay romances are... straight. In fact out of my whole gaming community I know only one person who did not play a same sex romance.

So that is covering the bases. Also the idea gayness is fine when it is not out in the open is strange. Not what you said someone else. If Miranda can say I am straight why can't cortez be I am gay? In fact the way they break the stereotype with Cortez is nice. Not spoiling but his issues are very realistic and not a stereotype, everything the gay community weants out of a game.

Also, this thread seems oddly familiar to a old thread awhile back. The Straight Male Gamer?
He complained about things being written for women, (Who don't play as much as men) and others. Inclusivity is always a good thing.

[AlanC9]

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...Try exploring a planet with out firing a single shot. If you hang out on the Normandy all day then ya, you can get away with out firing anything. Its the only place in the game where there is Zero combat.

The Citadel ring any bells? I don't even have a gun on the station.

Yes the Normandy is also a gun free zone but it isn't just a ship. You are doing things on that ship -talking to squaddies, handling research, purchasing, and then the mission related things like running a war council. Wow, that war council was the sort of pulse pounding action you expect from a CoD type game isn't it? White hot action!

I hate to break the bad news to you but there is combat there, play the game.

Really? Well then it must happen later. I've spent a raftload of time on the platform because I've seen no shooting other than the gun range. Still, the fact that there is somne gunplay doesn't elminiate the fact that it is clearly a dialog/character heavy location unlike any shooter you could care to name. There simply aren't shooter that have this level of dialog nor this level of interaction. Even "talky" action games like AC have "one" way to play the character.

You have your opnion and I have mine. There is Zero exploration in the game other then the Nordmany and the Citadel. And they let you pick what planet (shooter level) that you want to play. How many RPG's have you played that have nothing to explore?

Wait a minute -- first you say "try exploring a planet without firing a single shot," and now you say there's no exploration at all whether you're firing shots or not.. I can see why you're trying to move the goalposts on Sidney since your original statement was just wrong, but this is pretty damn obvious.

As for the topic, well, Justin2K's been well and truly called on this, so I'll just join the standard argument: Dude, you ain't "the fanbase."

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 mars 2012 - 08:01 .

[overbite]

when did George Lucas start working for bioware?

[Star fury]

The gay gamer market

So true. Now I'm actually scared to talk to male crew members of Normandy.

[rivalcycle971]

I loved the game

[karushna5]

Star fury wrote...

The gay gamer market

So true. Now I'm actually scared to talk to male crew members of Normandy.

Were you scared to talk to Liara? She went both ways. Her "father" was a female. It all works. I don't think Kaiden should have been gay since he wasn't in the ealier ones. People are gay sometimes so are characters. No reason to be afraid to talk to them. They have cool plots.

[syrik77]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Justin 2k seems to think he speaks for everyone.

Justin, you speak for yourself.

Sorry you didn't liek it as much as we hoped you would.

I agree with what Justin 2k said.  I think you're over sensitive and if you don't like the response players are giving you then it's time for Bioware and EA to have a serious look at their current staff.  I haven't been happy with a Bioware production for some time.  I'm thinking it's attitudes like yours that are making it into the development process that's a big part of the reason why.

Modifié par syrik77, 08 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Agent911]

The last 20 minutes of the game took all the replay value out of the game for me. I am so disappointed with how the series ended.

[Cootie]

I disagree with the categories, because I don't like to lump everyone together in groups.
But I do think that if I hadn't played Mass Effect and ME-2, I would've thought this was an extremely bland game, due to the marketing alone.
"We fight or we die!"
Really? Space opera, you say?

No, it didn't appeal to me at all, and I'm not in a hurry to install it.
And despite the hostility of the OP, dismissing their points with a handwave makes you look, well, dismissive. And possibly arrogant. Keep in mind that despite this being your forum, it's still public, and you're performing... questionably.

Modifié par Cootie, 08 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[Rinor]

Justin2k wrote...
The gay gamer market

I agree with everything but this. How are homosexuals not part of the fanbase already present?

[FlyingWalrus]

I'm part of the fanbase.

I feel like the game does a good job giving me what I want. Then again I'm a comprehensive gamer who loves his shooters as well as his RPGs, so maybe I'm just not as close-minded or lacking skill-based gameplay skills as some of you?

[incinerator950]

I'm none of the above op, I like all three MEs.

[AkiKishi]

Agent911 wrote...

The last 20 minutes of the game took all the replay value out of the game for me. I am so disappointed with how the series ended.

Very common that one.

Not being able to play the Sheaprd I'd played since ME1 because of the dialogue structure just made me stop caring on anything but a gameplay level. I'd already seen the endings and was prepared for the craptasticness of them.

No regrets for a £5 rental but had I been duped into a CE i'd have been rather miffed.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 08 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[Tecumseh420]

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...Try exploring a planet with out firing a single shot. If you hang out on the Normandy all day then ya, you can get away with out firing anything. Its the only place in the game where there is Zero combat.

The Citadel ring any bells? I don't even have a gun on the station.

Yes the Normandy is also a gun free zone but it isn't just a ship. You are doing things on that ship -talking to squaddies, handling research, purchasing, and then the mission related things like running a war council. Wow, that war council was the sort of pulse pounding action you expect from a CoD type game isn't it? White hot action!

I hate to break the bad news to you but there is combat there, play the game.

No, all the quests do not require combat. Your full of it.

[Kanon777]

Tecumseh420 wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...Try exploring a planet with out firing a single shot. If you hang out on the Normandy all day then ya, you can get away with out firing anything. Its the only place in the game where there is Zero combat.

The Citadel ring any bells? I don't even have a gun on the station.

Yes the Normandy is also a gun free zone but it isn't just a ship. You are doing things on that ship -talking to squaddies, handling research, purchasing, and then the mission related things like running a war council. Wow, that war council was the sort of pulse pounding action you expect from a CoD type game isn't it? White hot action!

I hate to break the bad news to you but there is combat there, play the game.

No, all the quests do not require combat. Your full of it.

Dont you get it? Having a single scene with shooting on the citadel means the game is trying to copy CoD