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#151
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Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

 I knew Bioware was going to go down hill fast once they were owned by EA. You could really tell EA was taking control of the company starting with ME2. And by the time DA2 was released EA had the death grip on Bioware. I really thought after the huge backlash from Bioware fans over DA2. That Bioware would redeem them selves.


Please check your facts before complaining here.
Start up ME1 and look whose logo appears after the Bioware one.
Right, EA. Bioware was with EA fom the first ME on. As much as I know they went with EA to be able to produce things like ME and DA:O, because EA has a little bit more of a budget than Bioware alone.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not fond of megacorporations like EA, but you can't just throw blame at them when your blame isn't based on facts.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818 

ME1 was published by Microsoft and was a game for Windows.


Do you need a screenshot or can you startup ME1 by youself?

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It is always the same faces around here who complain. I will avoid given names but a quick search on the Forum and you will find the same guys complaining, using the same old tired arguments and sometimes even saying so much crap that the besti thing you can do is avoid it and enjoy your game.

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Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...Try exploring a planet with out firing a single shot. If you hang out on the Normandy all day then ya, you can get away with out firing anything. Its the only place in the game where there is Zero combat.


The Citadel ring any bells? I don't even have a gun on the station.

Yes the Normandy is also a gun free zone but it isn't just a ship. You are doing things on that ship -talking to squaddies, handling research, purchasing, and then the mission related things like running a war council. Wow, that war council was the sort of pulse pounding action you expect from a CoD type game isn't it? White hot action!

I hate to break the bad news to you but there is combat there, play the game.


Really? Well then it must happen later. I've spent a raftload of time on the platform because I've seen no shooting other than the gun range. Still, the fact that there is somne gunplay doesn't elminiate the fact that it is clearly a dialog/character heavy location unlike any shooter you could care to name. There simply aren't shooter that have this level of dialog nor this level of interaction. Even "talky" action games like AC have "one" way to play the character.

You have your opnion and I have mine. There is Zero exploration in the game other then the Nordmany and the Citadel. And they let you pick what planet (shooter level) that you want to play. How many RPG's have you played that have nothing to explore?


Could you point me to the exploration in the first 2 games?  Its funny how I missed that part in all my playthroughs.

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Unicronshepard wrote...

they just kind of slammed the "gay"thing in your face, with no buildup or really any reason.


"Hey Steve, do you have a mi--"

*unzip* - *whack*

"...I should go."

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Rockworm503 wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...Try exploring a planet with out firing a single shot. If you hang out on the Normandy all day then ya, you can get away with out firing anything. Its the only place in the game where there is Zero combat.


The Citadel ring any bells? I don't even have a gun on the station.

Yes the Normandy is also a gun free zone but it isn't just a ship. You are doing things on that ship -talking to squaddies, handling research, purchasing, and then the mission related things like running a war council. Wow, that war council was the sort of pulse pounding action you expect from a CoD type game isn't it? White hot action!

I hate to break the bad news to you but there is combat there, play the game.


Really? Well then it must happen later. I've spent a raftload of time on the platform because I've seen no shooting other than the gun range. Still, the fact that there is somne gunplay doesn't elminiate the fact that it is clearly a dialog/character heavy location unlike any shooter you could care to name. There simply aren't shooter that have this level of dialog nor this level of interaction. Even "talky" action games like AC have "one" way to play the character.

You have your opnion and I have mine. There is Zero exploration in the game other then the Nordmany and the Citadel. And they let you pick what planet (shooter level) that you want to play. How many RPG's have you played that have nothing to explore?


Could you point me to the exploration in the first 2 games?  Its funny how I missed that part in all my playthroughs.


Rockworm503, this is one of the trolls who supposedly played and finished the game in 13 hours. Don´t feed it. He started a whole thread yesterday just to get attention. He don´t listen to arguments and thinks that ME 3 is as first person shooter.

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brunomalta wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...Try exploring a planet with out firing a single shot. If you hang out on the Normandy all day then ya, you can get away with out firing anything. Its the only place in the game where there is Zero combat.


The Citadel ring any bells? I don't even have a gun on the station.

Yes the Normandy is also a gun free zone but it isn't just a ship. You are doing things on that ship -talking to squaddies, handling research, purchasing, and then the mission related things like running a war council. Wow, that war council was the sort of pulse pounding action you expect from a CoD type game isn't it? White hot action!

I hate to break the bad news to you but there is combat there, play the game.


Really? Well then it must happen later. I've spent a raftload of time on the platform because I've seen no shooting other than the gun range. Still, the fact that there is somne gunplay doesn't elminiate the fact that it is clearly a dialog/character heavy location unlike any shooter you could care to name. There simply aren't shooter that have this level of dialog nor this level of interaction. Even "talky" action games like AC have "one" way to play the character.

You have your opnion and I have mine. There is Zero exploration in the game other then the Nordmany and the Citadel. And they let you pick what planet (shooter level) that you want to play. How many RPG's have you played that have nothing to explore?


Could you point me to the exploration in the first 2 games?  Its funny how I missed that part in all my playthroughs.


Rockworm503, this is one of the trolls who supposedly played and finished the game in 13 hours. Don´t feed it. He started a whole thread yesterday just to get attention. He don´t listen to arguments and thinks that ME 3 is as first person shooter.


Yeah I don't even know why I responded.
I already know what their going to say.
Mako planets were so awesome and full RPG wonder and exploration.
I felt so much exploration wandering a bland painted landscape box /sarcasm

I'm going to go cry myself to sleep knowing that people who own the game can't even enjoy it while I'm counting the days till I can can afford it.

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WarChicken78 wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...

Soulwatcher1974 wrote...

 I knew Bioware was going to go down hill fast once they were owned by EA. You could really tell EA was taking control of the company starting with ME2. And by the time DA2 was released EA had the death grip on Bioware. I really thought after the huge backlash from Bioware fans over DA2. That Bioware would redeem them selves.


Please check your facts before complaining here.
Start up ME1 and look whose logo appears after the Bioware one.
Right, EA. Bioware was with EA fom the first ME on. As much as I know they went with EA to be able to produce things like ME and DA:O, because EA has a little bit more of a budget than Bioware alone.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not fond of megacorporations like EA, but you can't just throw blame at them when your blame isn't based on facts.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818 

ME1 was published by Microsoft and was a game for Windows.


Do you need a screenshot or can you startup ME1 by youself?


Seriously dude you should check YOUR facts. EA had nothing to do with ME1. ME1 is completely pre-EA game.
Ok few facts now:

1.) Article from 10/11/2007 says :
"The transition won't be finished until January 2008, but obviously the gears are already in motion to fold the companies into EA Games" - http://www.1up.com/n...ioware-pandemic

2.) IGN Mass Effect page says
"Release Date: November 23, 2007" - http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/objects/718/718963.html

See those two dates ? Conclusion - Mass effect 1 was already finished and published at the time EA took over Bioware.

If you need more evidences here is the screenshot of ME1 box
As you can clearly see there is "Microsoft" label on it.

Modifié par xkg, 08 mars 2012 - 12:37 .


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Chris Priestly wrote...

Justin 2k seems to think he speaks for everyone.

Justin, you speak for yourself.

Sorry you didn't liek it as much as we hoped you would.



:devil:


You sure about that?  Looking over various forums it seems there's a lot of fan backlash at this game and direction this company has been going since the EA buyout.

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It was a microsoft game at the time, i remeber that. When EA bought Bioware, the game was done but we all knew that it would not stay microsoft exclusive then.

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OurSacrifice wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Justin 2k seems to think he speaks for everyone.

Justin, you speak for yourself.

Sorry you didn't liek it as much as we hoped you would.



:devil:


You sure about that?  Looking over various forums it seems there's a lot of fan backlash at this game and direction this company has been going since the EA buyout.


And there is also a lot of people who liked it. So, it is split.

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OurSacrifice wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Justin 2k seems to think he speaks for everyone.

Justin, you speak for yourself.

Sorry you didn't liek it as much as we hoped you would.



:devil:


You sure about that?  Looking over various forums it seems there's a lot of fan backlash at this game and direction this company has been going since the EA buyout.


He dosent speaks for me and plenty of people, so no he dosent speaks for everyone

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Justin2k wrote...

Unicronshepard wrote...

they just kind of slammed the "gay"thing in your face, with no buildup or really any reason.

I'm not against gay people, on either side, but its like religion, do what you do and enjoy being who you are, but i dont need you to stand in front of my face jumping and waving your arms screaming "LOOK AT ME, HEY, HEY, HEY LOOK"

they dont have jo-ho's banging on the airlock, why did they need to be so over-the-top this time?


Exactly.  They weren't interested in gay gamers or writing a realistic gay storyline.  They just wanted to attract new people to the game because Dragon Age got a lot of positive reviews for having gay characters.  The fact that some of these characters were completely straight in ME1 didn't even matter.  It was shoehorned in, just like the multiplayer and everything else, to squeeze more money.

I have nothing against companies making money, but it's a joke to put all these additional extras in the final game of a series and neglect to put in a conversation system or a decent ending to the story.


Can you please elaborate how it was in your face? Imo its was very well done

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Fanbase? You mean the "whiner" market who can't be satisfied ever. I'm glad Bioware isn't listening to you guys, if they did this game would have 200 hours of running from place to place in the same boring repeated environment with brain-dead A.I and a non functional combat system. Oh wait, that's Mass Effect 1. Mass Effect 1 is still a great game, but Mass Effect 3 is light years ahead of it.

orly?
And is it that we have now?

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I'm about 20 hours in and haven't noticed too much of the gay being thrust into my face like it was in DA2. It seemed like every single male except the DLC guy was after my nuts in Dragon Age 2. The party members in that game were disproportionately gay/bi-sexual and it was just weird.

I was a bit like "WTF dude" when Kaidan insinuated I was flirting with him and that he wanted to at least pretend I was though. That was out of left field. I have no problem with a character being gay or bi-sexual in Kaidan's case. It was just awkward given the circumstances.

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So, imagine I am a gay man. Walking along to a game store. I haven't played any previous Mass Effect games.

But wait, this new game called Mass Effect 3 allows me to have a gay romance?! I am definitely going to buy this game!

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Were you scared to talk to Liara? She went both ways. Her "father" was a female. It all works. I don't think Kaiden should have been gay since he wasn't in the ealier ones. People are gay sometimes so are characters. No reason to be afraid to talk to them. They have cool plots.

First of all, lore is against you. Liara is an asari, they don't have genders. So, if you play with female Shepard, it is not lesbian romance.
 

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Woo! Casual gamer! Still big Mass Effect fan though. But can actually list games I"ll play more than once all the way through.

There's like, 10, 3 are Mass Effect. Top 3 in fact.

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cotheer wrote...

Sargerus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Justin 2k seems to think he speaks for everyone.

Justin, you speak for yourself.

Sorry you didn't liek it as much as we hoped you would.



:devil:


I think i speak for the majority regarding the endings and how you guys screw the whole thing up :innocent:


It's funny.
There is always time for pointless response but when it comes to posting explanations for some serious issues with the/a game, they're nowhere to be found, aside from Mr. EOL ofc.


This in a nutshell.

I guess we know now why Chris Priestly made that "You guys
should really not import your characters for the first playthrough, do a
completely new one, it's amazing!"-thread a month ago.

Because the importer is broken and they knew it and tried to stall us.

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Gigamantis wrote...

A broader scope of appeal is every game developers goal. If the original fanbase can't accept anything that isn't an exclusive love letter to them then screw the original fanbase.


Not the same thing, they've Ignored their original fanbase completely for a shot at a totally new demograpic.

Love letter? This isn't even a crumpled up note thrown in our general direction.

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Justin2k wrote...
So it looks like Bioware went all out on Mass Effect 3 to attract
[b]
The competitive multiplayer market
The gears of war market
The gay gamer market
The fast paced action gamer market
The casual gamer market
The people that are addicted to buying DLC packs in the hope they get a certain character market.


Funny, i wonder which one i fit.

I'm a Mass Effect fan since the first game came out, and i simply love ME3. For me, ME1 was the worst game in the series ("worst in the series" does not equal a bad game), and it hold no comparision to ME2 or ME3. To judge and compare all the games i need to play more of ME3, to give it a fair chance against previous installments, that i finished multiple times (like most people here). For now - it's great. Give me more time to judge ME3 from a perspective.

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 Why do people keep saying no choices?  Are you playing same game I am.  Your choices from all games effect 3rd one.  The choices I made so far in mass effect 3 have effected a whole lot.  Can't get into them but I have decided fares of many.  

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malkuth74 wrote...

 Why do people keep saying no choices?  Are you playing same game I am.  Your choices from all games effect 3rd one.  The choices I made so far in mass effect 3 have effected a whole lot.  Can't get into them but I have decided fares of many.  


Cause people here like to complain a lot.

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WarChicken78 wrote...
Do you need a screenshot or can you startup ME1 by youself?

Mass Effect 1 was developed by Bioware and sponsored by Microsoft which also has publisher rights (that's why ME1 will not appear on PS3). After EA bought Bioware ME license was acquired by EA PC port was sponsored by EA. That does not mean, however, that ME was sponsored by EA. Not by a long shot.

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The game met my needs. The gay theme does seen forced.

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Heres the thing guys, BioWare will forever be under EA. They provide tons and tons of support! Marketing, DICE's sound, money etc. I get a sense that if it were fully up to BioWare they would never pander to every market out there.

It was EA's decision. It is the main reason why Mass Effect 2 looks and plays the way it does. Bioware, as gifted as they are, f elt they had no skill or know how  in creating shooters so they left Mircosoft Stuidos and reached out to EA. Sucks because ME1 is a true gem, and I did not care if the shooting was poor. Some minor tweeks would have been great.

Modifié par Sirartistic, 08 mars 2012 - 06:41 .