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[brunomalta]

bobhampt wrote...

The game met my needs. The gay theme does seen forced.

Gay Theme? Where?

[Capeo]

brunomalta wrote...

malkuth74 wrote...

 Why do people keep saying no choices?  Are you playing same game I am.  Your choices from all games effect 3rd one.  The choices I made so far in mass effect 3 have effected a whole lot.  Can't get into them but I have decided fares of many.  

Cause people here like to complain a lot.

No, because in the end your choices don't mean squat and are utterly nullified.

[brunomalta]

Capeo wrote...

brunomalta wrote...

malkuth74 wrote...

 Why do people keep saying no choices?  Are you playing same game I am.  Your choices from all games effect 3rd one.  The choices I made so far in mass effect 3 have effected a whole lot.  Can't get into them but I have decided fares of many.  

Cause people here like to complain a lot.

No, because in the end your choices don't mean squat and are utterly nullified.

Yeah..riiiight...

[Chaoswind]

There is nothing wrong with appealing to a wider market, video games for the better or the worse are a business.

Is a sad thing, but maybe you ought to understand how the world rolls before going on rage mode.

[BatmanPWNS]

They must have got tired of some of the "fans" who whine after anything new feature is announced. Because, God forbid, something new in a game!

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 08 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[Alien1099]

Star fury wrote...

karushna5 wrote...


Were you scared to talk to Liara? She went both ways. Her "father" was a female. It all works. I don't think Kaiden should have been gay since he wasn't in the ealier ones. People are gay sometimes so are characters. No reason to be afraid to talk to them. They have cool plots.

First of all, lore is against you. Liara is an asari, they don't have genders. So, if you play with female Shepard, it is not lesbian romance.

Somebody has to wear the pants, just like one dog in the pack needs to be the alpha! Otherwise both chicks will be trying to outmaneuver each other all the time to withold the pie. It just wouldn't work!

[Pobatti]

brunomalta wrote...

bobhampt wrote...

The game met my needs. The gay theme does seen forced.

Gay Theme? Where?

Precisely. Since you still have a small amount of freedom with how you approach the game, most people won't notice much bar the occasional comment from an NPC - which is nothing you don't get in most television series these days.

Then again, you can selectively choose to go out of your way to chat with these characters after every mission if you choose, which will ultimately result in a relationship being developed if you pursue it it the right way.

Without getting into too much politics, why single out gay romances? Did you same folks complain about the straight romances that have been in both of the other games? What's the difference, really? 

Let's face it, there was a large amount of publicity surrounding the relationships aspect of the first Mass Effect, but I guess most people never got to see it on their first playthrough unless they used a guide or were particularly lucky or thorough.

Personally, the only 'adult' material in my playthroughs consist of the occasional dancing Asari in a bar - since I never go out of my way to talk to the characters since it seems somewhat pointless (just a bonus scene I don't really care for in ME1 and 2, I don't expect much more from 3). The effort required for these is too much, it's easier to just use Youtube to see all the relationship scenes back-to-back.

[Trix-Rabbit]

Sirartistic wrote...

Heres the thing guys, BioWare will forever be under EA. They provide tons and tons of support! Marketing, DICE's sound, money etc. I get a sense that if it were fully up to BioWare they would never pander to every market out there.

It was EA's decision. It is the main reason why Mass Effect 2 looks and plays the way it does. Bioware, as gifted as they are, f elt they had no skill or know how  in creating shooters so they left Mircosoft Stuidos and reached out to EA. Sucks because ME1 is a true gem, and I did not care if the shooting was poor. Some minor tweeks would have been great.

This is part of the problem.  If something is broken generally you fix it, not scrap it.  Like a car that breaks, you get it fixed not take it to the junk yard(unless its that broken).  Mass Effect 1 Had some things in it there were in the area of breaking new ground and fresh.  An Example of this was guns and overheat/ammo.  This ofcourse was replaced with a stale ammo mechanic. Instead of fixing it.  Controls?  Nothing wrong with those either, yet they changed them to something even more clunky than before. Health bars, same thing.  Mako? Yeah that replaced that with something worse, people didnt like planet exploring in the mako, so they scrapped it and gave us nothing but a short Firewalker dlc that was complete garbage(and even worse than the planet exploreing).
Talent system and leveling was also gutted.  And in ME3 it just feels like a clunky crappy version of ME1 Talent system.  Inventory was gutted too for some kind of BS armor billboard with no loot in ME2,  This was improved at least in ME3, but in reality it was still crap compared to a real inventory system where you could loot enemies.  They should have just improved what was already there. 

The Simple fact of the matter is, They changed things up on us not once but twice even.   Bioware fanbase has generally been RPG heavy for years,  they changed that equation on us for the worse and it shows.

This Game went from a RPG with third person shooter elements to a Third person shooter with RPG elements and let me tell you that is slowly closing in on being a straight up third person shooter.  The only thing really keeping Mass Effect 3 from being a full blown TPS is the Conversation wheel and to a much more minor extent the way you pickup quests.  The simple fact of the matter is, Shooter games in general are becoming far far more story driven these days and less straight up shoot stuff until it all dies and you get to the end of the level. Just look at games like DE:HR(Tons of dial, and Quest pickup zones/dialogue zone like the citadel ect as well as quests.) and RAGE(Ok rage sucked i know, you still accomplish things via quests, there are still towns where you talk to people and dont kill stuff).  The end result is a final game in the series that turned out much less like the orig. Simple fact is, when you do stuff like that, you are going to ****** alot of people off.


With all that being said, i can live with alot of changes that have come to the series....right up till the end.  Then the ending comes.   I'm Not gonna say what the endings are cause thats a spoiler you can look at them in the other forum.  What i will say is this.  The three different endings truely are very very similar, and NONE of them really take into account the overall actions from the three games. This completely destroyed the replay value of ALL THREE GAMES.  There should have been at least 10-12 different endings with a decent epilogue via shepards voice or some such or at least something that brings closue but keeps replayability.  Instead it left many of us feeling like we wished we never played ME3 or depressed/dissapointed.  Feel Free to consult the Forum with spoilers to understand what im talking about.

Really makes you wonder too about the MP, some people say they used resources that coulda been used on SP, but then again, maybe EA simply woulda held back those resources used on MP altogether.  But ill tell you this, had they used those MP resources for SP, i bet they coulda put a plug in the giant blackhole that is the end of this game.  Instead what we got is the worst ending in the history of gameing bar none.  An Ending that will be talked about and joked for years to come and brought the entire series off of the Chrono Trigger/FF7 Status it had(As In Being legendary) to something like the tired realm of some sort of garbage movie George lucas is trying to come out with these days.


Not sure where i was going with all this, hope you guys enjoy my wall-o-text. 

PS.  The EA Reapers are devouring us all, Only shepard and the combined might of his armies can stop them...lulz

Modifié par Trix-Rabbit, 08 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[The Boston Pops]

Dudes, Mass Effect has always been a shooter. It's just now a BETTER shooter. Don't confuse the streamlining of clunky mechanics with dumbing down. I've loved all of the Mass Effects, and the gameplay in this one is just better than the first two, hands down.

[FrozenDreamfall]

Not this game,not this one...they managed to ruin it,not this series,anything but this masterpiece...good job Bioware for kicking yourself in the balls.

[lastpawn]

Justin2k wrote...

So it looks like Bioware went all out on Mass Effect 3 to attract

The competitive multiplayer market
The gears of war market
The gay gamer market
The fast paced action gamer market
The casual gamer market
The people that are addicted to buying DLC packs in the hope they get a certain character market.

All well and great.  Loads of new players and loads of money for you hopefully.  But just like in Dragon Age 2, you forgot one market.  You know, the old faithful market that buy all your games, love all your games and really just wanted a decent ending to something we started playing 6 years ago, a decent face for Tali that shows some imagination, a reflection that our choices mattered and most importantly the conversation system we've been using for the whole series.

Seriously what were you thinking?  "They are going to buy it regardless, we've got their money in the bank, lets concentrate on making money elsewhere"?  Because thats what it seems like.  Do this stuff on a new franchise by all means, but come off it, you don't even give us a decent ending?  Or maybe you're planning on selling it to us later?  It's bad business and people will stop buying your stuff.

I haven't played the game myself, but I've sat down with a friend playing it a for about 3-4 hours total at various points in the game and it looks good. Like, mostly good writing, great voice acting and immersion. And my favorite game is Planescape: Torment so I'd say I'm a pretty traditional, hardcore RPG fan.

I agree with you on the Gears of War market. This doesn't bother me too much, though. I only care about the story/immersion, I don't care what kind of wrapping it comes in--shooter, turn-based, whatever.

That said, throwing "gay gamers" into this list like all the players of ME1 and ME2 were strictly heterosexual is frankly insulting. You might have a problem with how the gay romance is portrayed in the game, and that's cool, but say that instead of coming across like you're homophobic (and thus, in the closet).

[Super.Sid]

I'd like to play a game that's not about saving the galaxy or anything like that, but a story set in the ME universe where we get to choose a species to play and where we're from and choose the role we play rather than a military hero. I'm thinking a more sandbox style RPG set maybe a few hundred years on.

I'd also really like if DICE were given license to make a Battlefield style Mass Effect game, multiplayer and everything.

someone already quoted it as a wish for ME4 what more to expect

Modifié par Super.Sid, 08 mars 2012 - 10:16 .

[Persephone]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Not this game,not this one...they managed to ruin it,not this series,anything but this masterpiece...good job Bioware for kicking yourself in the balls.

Bioware is....*gasp*........male?

Now I AM disappointed. *Snerks*

The BSN.... provides more over the top melodrama than Dallas and The Bold & The Beautiful combined. And ah, Alexis was only half as mean as Bioware, eh?

[The Boston Pops]

Persephone wrote...

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Not this game,not this one...they managed to ruin it,not this series,anything but this masterpiece...good job Bioware for kicking yourself in the balls.

Bioware is....*gasp*........male?

Now I AM disappointed. *Snerks*

The BSN.... provides more over the top melodrama than Dallas and The Bold & The Beautiful combined. And ah, Alexis was only half as mean as Bioware, eh?

Well said.

[astreqwerty]

Nachtritter76 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

So it looks like Bioware went all out on Mass Effect 3 to attract

The competitive multiplayer market
The gears of war market
The gay gamer market
The fast paced action gamer market
The casual gamer market
The people that are addicted to buying DLC packs in the hope they get a certain character market.

All well and great.  Loads of new players and loads of money for you hopefully.  But just like in Dragon Age 2, you forgot one market.  You know, the old faithful market that buy all your games, love all your games and really just wanted a decent ending to something we started playing 6 years ago, a decent face for Tali that shows some imagination, a reflection that our choices mattered and most importantly the conversation system we've been using for the whole series.

Seriously what were you thinking?  "They are going to buy it regardless, we've got their money in the bank, lets concentrate on making money elsewhere"?  Because thats what it seems like.  Do this stuff on a new franchise by all means, but come off it, you don't even give us a decent ending?  Or maybe you're planning on selling it to us later?  It's bad business and people will stop buying your stuff.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The choices you made in ME1 barely ever mattered in ME2 either. Whether it was Ashley/Kaidan, Udina/Anderson, Rachni kill/save, or Council die/live ... Barely any of that mattered, you'd get a nod here and there, and it would change a line or two of dialogue maybe. But the universe remained mostly unchanged. Whether humanity was leading or the council stayed the same wasn't the game-changer the end of ME1 would have led us to believe.

It's like in Skyrim --- you can ally with the Stormcloaks or the Imperials, but the world runs just the same afterwards anyway.

Forget big world changing choices. These cannot happen unless they'd put massive work and budget on huge parts of the game that a majority of people might not even experience.

Like many of us, wake up and stop believing the hype. Enjoy these games if you can, for what they're worth, and don't expect more than has been demonstrated before --- or go play some tabletop RPGs, because those are the only ones where your choices actually MAKE the game.

talk abot low expectations..ea is a multibillion collosus.they have the resources to pull these things off.hell cd project created a masterpiece were deciding who lives and who dies gave you exactly that which you paint off as unrealistic and irrational

[wolf99000]

The gay gamer market

being bi myself I am not sure being gay/bi counts you out of being considered part of the mass effect fanbase

[android654]

Can't we all just be honest for a moment. ME3 is nothing more than an action game masquerading as an Action RPG. The dismissal of the decisions/consequences system they campaigned so proudly in the first two games simply didn't create a full circle. So whether you rescued the human's from the Batarian terrorists in "Bring Down The Sky," Warned them of the imminent danger in "Arrival," the consequence is nothing more than a line mentioning it. It's a shame since there are quite a few side quests that branched out into ME2 that could only be there as a result of actions in ME1. Granted, these instances in ME2 were merely cameos, but there was the intended promise that there would be repercussions for these decisions in ME3. It's a shame that all of that time and contemplation people put into their saves has no inherent effect to the ending of the trilogy. You could quite literally play just ME3 and have the same results as if you played all three. That is truly false advertising on behalf of everyone who claimed the first two installments would be of consequence.

I rented it, and I can see why people like it. It's an enjoyable romp with lots of action and a feel of an expansive universe that's really just a few locations ushered along by a breakneck speed from planet to planet. There are better action games that could fill this niche, but reintroducing characters people are attached to, the ensure sales.

That is how I view this game from it's conception to the actual product; a fun game, but most definitely not what was expected.

[Zjarcal]

gabe2gg wrote...

this. Only the Witcher series does romances right.

My brain... it hurts. 

[Lenimph]

Zjarcal wrote...

gabe2gg wrote...

this. Only the Witcher series does romances right.

My brain... it hurts. 

"Do this if you like bewbs... do this if you don't like bewbs."

[Super.Sid]

Zjarcal wrote...

gabe2gg wrote...

this. Only the Witcher series does romances right.

My brain... it hurts. 

What ?By posting explicit nudity and sex ?

[android654]

Lenimph wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

gabe2gg wrote...

this. Only the Witcher series does romances right.

My brain... it hurts. 

"Do this if you like bewbs... do this if you don't like bewbs."

You do realize that romance as we know it now is a lot different than how it was practiced in the eleventh or twelfth century? Lecherous men were something of a commonality in that period. Geralt seeing prostitutes was nothing taboo as it would be now. I see that as an attempt to add in a sense of realism to the time period it's intended to mimic.

[CitizenSnips]

What a terrible post. Don't presume what I, or the fanbase, think of this game.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 08 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[gabe2gg]

Zjarcal wrote...

gabe2gg wrote...

this. Only the Witcher series does romances right.

My brain... it hurts. 

Yes, mine would hurt too when coming to terms with reality.

[sonogi]

are gays not fans? are casual players not fans? those who like RPG's and action games not fans? who comprises this group of super secret special old faithfuls you speak of? is there like 10 of you? are you all straight, never buy DLC's, and dont enjoy action games?

if a game has MASS appeal, the artists who contributed to this product get to share their vision on a massive scale. thats all there is to it. besides, i dont think they were going for anyone in particular. they were just iterating on the old, and doing their "thing".

Modifié par sonogi, 08 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[Julia343]

Sparatus wrote...

Just cut out romances.

Problem solved.

The only reason I do a romance in a game is because there is an achievement for it. If there was no achievement I'd ignore them. If I want a romance, I'd definitely not handle them like they are in the games. They are so contrived and drawn out. Here we are at war, could be dead tomorrow, and all this courtship crap, and fraternization stuff, too. Not a good thing.