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[Swords and Lasers]

*sigh* Still no signs of hope for the BSN forums. Seriously, there is way too many people on BSN who $h!t on this game and Bioware, yet they spend forever on the Bioware Social Network under the Mass Effect 3 forums. "Why can't my character live happily ever after?" Because it's still a story written by someone else. How about making your own game? Oh, that's right. You too busy bashing Mass Effect 3 to work on your own.

[Rombomm]

Nobody is asking for a 'happy ending'. What they are asking for is an ending that doesn't throw out EVERY SINGLE CHOICE YOU'VE EVER MADE in the ENTIRE SERIES out a window, and one with more variation than letting you choose what color the lights at the end are.

[hismastersvoice]

WarBaby2 wrote...

Which I dobt, because it was stated numerous times that there will be no "post game" DLC.

Really? I'd like a quote on this one, otherwise there goes my last incentive to play this game.

[IronSabbath88]

It seems to me that everyone is mad because their Shepard can't live happily ever after with their LI like some Disney movie or something.

The endings made all your choices mean nothing? What?! The krogan have potentially been given a new future, as have the Quarians, hell the whole damn galaxy is safe from the reaper threat now AND if you played right, your entire crew of friends survived. Stranded sure, but it could be worse, they could be stranded on some desert planet.

Basically the galaxy is in a much better place than it ever was before. But no, that's not paid attention to because someone's Shep can't make hybrid babies. Give me a break.

[Militarized]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

It seems to me that everyone is mad because their Shepard can't live happily ever after with their LI like some Disney movie or something.

The endings made all your choices mean nothing? What?! The krogan have potentially been given a new future, as have the Quarians, hell the whole damn galaxy is safe from the reaper threat now AND if you played right, your entire crew of friends survived. Stranded sure, but it could be worse, they could be stranded on some desert planet.

Basically the galaxy is in a much better place than it ever was before. But no, that's not paid attention to because someone's Shep can't make hybrid babies. Give me a break.

Wut? Everyone is stranded on earth because you put the entire galaxy into a new dark age by destroying the Mass Effect relays, neither of them get to go back to their homeworld and get this bright new future you may or may not have made for them. Both of those races stories are now irrelevent. 

Why are they not stranded on earth with everyone else? Joker was above you in the Normandy right before all this goes down then all of sudden hes running away through a relay? It makes zero sense, let alone the fact that they ALSO have no future because there's no way for them to survive on that planet most likely. 

[hismastersvoice]

Militarized wrote...

Why are they not stranded on earth with everyone else? Joker was above you in the Normandy right before all this goes down then all of sudden hes running away through a relay? It makes zero sense, let alone the fact that they ALSO have no future because there's no way for them to survive on that planet most likely.

The planet they crashed on is obviously the new Eden, and can sustain no less than 4 different species with massively differing physiologies. Or something...

[Militarized]

Well, at least then they'd be following an equally badly written myth if it supposed to be the garden of eden. So much better mythology to choose from.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

My problems with the ending:

1.The catalyst. WTF? No explanation. Little ghost boy shows up out of nowhere & knows everything about everything yet still manages to make no sense at all. And no! I don't want any cryptic symbolic crap, I want a clear cut explanation. If the Citadel was the catalyst that would have been fine, but that nonsense with the little ghost boy totally blew it. And no, don't try to explain it to me, I don't want your personal interpretation. I want the ending to be easy to follow & to make sense to everybody.

2.Liara & EDI were on my team in the final battle. We all got blasted by the Reaper. Liara & EDI both got off the Normandy after it crashed. WTF???

3. Where the hell was Joker going with the Normandy? Why was he making a jump through the mass relays? Shouldn't the Normandy be back in Earth's orbit with the rest of the friggin fleet?

4. Why did the mass relays have to be destroyed (in the ending I got)? Now all the non-humans are stuck forever on Earth. Without FTL it'll take millions of years to get back to their planets. They'll never make it. That was the whole point of the mass relays. But now Wrex will never be able to lead Tuchanka, Garrus will never get back to Palaven, Samara can never visit her daughter at the monastery, the Quarians will never get back to Rannoch. Everybody that survived the final battle is forever stuck on Earth. Bioware clearly didn't think of that. If you try to tell me they can get back to their home planets then that means there was never any point to the mass relays so don't even go there.

5. No closure on any of the characters. Never heard from Wrex again, how did the Krogans do?  What about Jack, Kasumi, Jacob, Miranda,Samara & Grunt? And what about the council? Did they make it? How are they? Now that we wasted all that time playing through 1,2 & 3 can we at least talk to them? Have 1 last conversation with them before we all part ways? Can we say goodbye? Anything? No, they just left everybody high & dry. Like they ran out of time, money & interest in the last couple minutes & just slopped any crap together & shipped it out.

6. What happened to all those decisions we made through all 3 games? We all got the same ending no matter what decisions we made.

7. I saved the Rachni queen in ME1. I was looking forward to seeing the Rachni show up in the final battle. But no, it doesn't matter if you save her or kill her. 

I didn't want a happily ever after Disney ending. I just wanted an ending that made sense & was easy for everybody to follow.

Modifié par Steelgrave, 08 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

Steelgrave wrote...

My problems with the ending:

1.The catalyst. WTF? No explanation. Little ghost boy shows up out of nowhere & knows everything about everything yet still manages to make no sense at all. And no! I don't want any cryptic symbolic crap, I want a clear cut explanation. If the Citadel was the catalyst that would have been fine, but that nonsense with the little ghost boy totally blew it. And no, don't try to explain it to me, I don't want your personal interpretation. I want the ending to be easy to follow & to make sense to everybody.

It's obvious the Citadel is the home of an AI left behind millions of years ago by some other advanced race. Either those people created it knowingly or the AI evolved to this state by itself. Any case the boy explains everything very clearly, if you weren't paying attention then Youtube can be your friend.

2.Liara & EDI were on my team in the final battle. We all got blasted by the Reaper. Liara & EDI both got off the Normandy after it crashed. WTF???

It's never explicitly shown they take part in the dash towards the Reaper and since there are only soldiers storming the portal it wouldn't make sense they take part. They are not soldiers and they have no place in such a scenario.

3. Where the hell was Joker going with the Normandy? Why was he making a jump through the mass relays? Shouldn't the Normandy be back in Earth's orbit with the rest of the friggin fleet?

He's trying to save the Normandy and EDI, as it is said in the game Joker would do anything for the Normandy.

4. Why did the mass relays have to be destroyed (in the ending I got)? Now all the non-humans are stuck forever on Earth. Without FTL it'll take millions of years to get back to their planets. They'll never make it. That was the whole point of the mass relays. But now Wrex will never be able to lead Tuchanka, Garrus will never get back to Palaven, Samara can never visit her daughter at the monastery, the Quarians will never get back to Rannoch. Everybody that survived the final battle is forever stuck on Earth. Bioware clearly didn't think of that. If you try to tell me they can get back to their home planets then that means there was never any point to the mass relays so don't even go there.

Energy overload. Like I said before because the Mass Relay explosion almost all the life in the galaxy is wiped out, they're dead. No point in going back to a place which doesn't exist anymore. The survivors are given a chance to start all over again with the lessons learned.

5. No closure on any of the characters. Never heard from Wrex again, how did the Krogans do?  What about Jack, Kasumi, Jacob, Miranda,Samara & Grunt? Did they make it? How are they? Now that we wasted all that time playing through 1,2 & 3 can we at least talk to them? Have 1 last conversation with them before we all part ways? Can we say goodbye? Anything? No, they just left everybody high & dry. Like they ran out of time, money & interest in the last couple minutes & just slopped any crap together & shipped it out.

I didn't want a happily ever after Disney ending. I just wanted an ending that made sense & was easy for everybody to follow.

The ending makes sense, it's that you weren't paying attention or can't make sense of it yourself.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 08 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[Vikali]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

*sigh* Still no signs of hope for the BSN forums. Seriously, there is way too many people on BSN who $h!t on this game and Bioware, yet they spend forever on the Bioware Social Network under the Mass Effect 3 forums. "Why can't my character live happily ever after?" Because it's still a story written by someone else. How about making your own game? Oh, that's right. You too busy bashing Mass Effect 3 to work on your own.

A game written by the disney ending crew would probably be more along the lines of Space Mulan.

[Olueq]

How can people defend these endings? Theres 3 choices, all of which nullify every choice you have made and all of which are essentially the same. Not to mention the endings themselves were amazingly stupid. The normandy getting stranded on some random planet? Your squad teleporting to the normandy and the normandy teleporting the relay. And lets not forget the lack of closure. We have no idea what happens to anyone in the galaxy. For all we know, in all endings, we gain the same thing, which could be nothing. And the epilogue was unbearably horrendous.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

2.Liara & EDI were on my team in the final battle. We all got blasted by the Reaper. Liara & EDI both got off the Normandy after it crashed. WTF???

It's never explicitly shown they take part in the dash towards the Reaper and since there are only soldiers storming the portal it wouldn't make sense they take part. They are not soldiers and they have no place in such a scenario.

What about Garrus, James, Ashley & Javik? Not soldiers?  If you think for 1 second that Garrus wouldn't be right behind Shepard storming that Reaper then YOU are the one that hasn't been paying attention.

Nope, sorry, everything you said is coming from a person that is in denial. You're trying to make up crap & fill in the gaps so the ending doesn't seem as bad as it is. You're trying to convince yourself & everybody else that destroying the mass relays & stranding the Turian, Quarian, Asari & Krogan fleets on Earth was a good idea. That making it so Wrex, Grunt, Liara, Samara, Tali & Garrus can never see their homeworlds ever again was good writing. But you're not going to pull that one off no matter how hard you try. As you can see, I'm not the only one that hates the endings. So if majority of the fans hate the endings then Bioware messed up. There's no way you can fix that no matter how hard you try.  

Even if it does make sense to you, what good is it if everybody hates it? George Lucas thought making Han shoot first was a good idea. We all know how that turned out.

And what about all the decisions you made in the previous games not amounting to jack-****. How are you going to defend that one? I want to see you attempt to make sense out of that. The only explanation that would make any sense is Bioware ran out of money or time. Or just didn't give a rat's ass.

Modifié par Steelgrave, 08 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[SilencedScream]

The OP says there's gray and hard choice. First time through, I had no issue being paragon the whole way. I had over 4000 ready asset points without multiplayer. I got all alliances forged, no one left out.

Where's the gray at? There was only one hard choice and it wasn't even that hard, considering that I found the character in question to be a pain in ME2.


That's why I focus on the endings. I have no issue with the rest of the game. There's no"Crap, which should I do?" decisions to debate about in the forums (unless you want to group in with all the people sleeping around - "Should I do Liara? Or stay faithful to Ashley?").

Despite that, I enjoyed the majority of the game. I complain about the endings because they feel tacked on and leave a lot of unanswered questions. What's Joker doing? Why are the two squadmates I just charged forward with in space, on the Normandy?

Hell, even sacrificing yourself doesn't seem like that big of an issue when you realize that the millions of fighters that you just gathered up are YEARS away from being able to get home, if they're able to at all (seriously - you just got the quarian home world back and now none of them are getting home since the relays are gone).

Modifié par SilencedScream, 08 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

Steelgrave wrote...

What about Garrus, James, Ashley & Javik? Not soldiers?  If you think for 1 second that Garrus wouldn't be right behind Shepard storming that Reaper then YOU are the one that hasn't been paying attention.

Nope, sorry, everything you said is coming from a person that is in denial. You're trying to make up crap & fill in the gaps so the ending doesn't seem as bad as it is. You're trying to convince yourself & everybody else that destroying the mass relays & stranding the Turian, Quarian, Asari & Krogan fleets on Earth was a good idea. That making it so Wrex, Grunt, Liara, Samara, Tali & Garrus can never see their homeworlds ever again was good writing. But you're not going to pull that one off no matter how hard you try. As you can see, I'm not the only one that hates the endings. So if majority of the fans hate the endings then Bioware messed up. There's no way you can fix that no matter how hard you try.  

Even if it does make sense to you, what good is it if everybody hates it? George Lucas thought making Han shoot first was a good idea. We all know how that turned out.

And what about all the decisions you made in the previous games not amounting to jack-****. How are you going to defend that one? I want to see you attempt to make sense out of that. The only explanation that would make any sense is Bioware ran out of money or time. Or just didn't give a rat's ass.

Pfft... If you read my first post you'll find I defended the ending as a standalone but apparently some people can't seem to think for themselves and need ALL the answers served on a plate. What if you know what happened there? What does that add to the story? It's obvious something happened there but it's not important to the story so why bother with it? If you really want to know you can use your imagination and think up something or through the use of logic extrapolate an answer. Most things people concider as plotholes are just obvious things an apparently some people can't think and thus need those obvious facts spelled out for them.

If you hate it, then hate it for a reason and that reason hasn't been given yet. Everytime I ask for a reason people start about things that didn't make sense to them. If you didn't like it or even hate it so much you need to bash it then have the guts to come up with a good reason when asked for it and not just be a negative nancy because it's what easy to join the masses.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 08 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[SilencedScream]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


Pfft... If you read my first post you'll find I defended the ending as a standalone but apparently some people can't seem to think for themselves and need ALL the answers served on a plate. What if you know what happened there? What does that add to the story? It's obvious something happened there but it's not important to the story so why bother with it? If you really want to know you can use your imagination and think up something or through the use of logic extrapolate an answer. Most things people concider as plotholes are just obvious things an apparently some people can't think and thus need those obvious facts spelled out for them.

If you hate it, then hate it for a reason and that reason hasn't been given yet. Everytime I ask for a reason people start about things that didn't make sense to them. If you didn't like it or even hate it so much you need to bash it then have the guts to come up with a good reason when asked for it and not just be a negative nancy because it's what easy to join the masses.

People complain because this is the closing of Shepard's story and there's hardly any closure.
Bioware stated that all questions would be answered - and they aren't.
Instead, it feels like they were just setting themselves up for some kind of MMO later as opposed to finishing the series that everyone was already buying.

[ZX12r Ninja]

SilencedScream wrote...

People complain because this is the closing of Shepard's story and there's hardly any closure.
Bioware stated that all questions would be answered - and they aren't.
Instead, it feels like they were just setting themselves up for some kind of MMO later as opposed to finishing the series that everyone was already buying.

1. Then why are you complaining about the squadmates?
2. What kind of closure do you need?

[SilencedScream]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

SilencedScream wrote...

People complain because this is the closing of Shepard's story and there's hardly any closure.
Bioware stated that all questions would be answered - and they aren't.
Instead, it feels like they were just setting themselves up for some kind of MMO later as opposed to finishing the series that everyone was already buying.

1. Then why are you complaining about the squadmates?
2. What kind of closure do you need?

1.) Because either they should've died or they should've followed Shepard. Or did they just get the beam, say to themselves "Eh, Shepard's got this - I'm headed back home on the Normandy?" This is character development - if they turned coward at the last second, we should know. Otherwise, why aren't they dead/with Shepard?

2.) The Guardian tells you what the endings do, but no repercussions seem to be shown (except the eyes glowing in Merge). I picked Destroy. Shouldn't the geth ships be dropping out of the air? Shouldn't I get a second or two to see dozens of geths suddenly shutting off and falling over?

Why is Joker suddenly flying through space, trying to outrun the mass relay? We're in the middle of a war. He doesn't know if Shepard's activated the thing or not. And if it's the mass relay that causes the Normandy to crash, why didn't the same happen to all of the ships orbiting Earth (keep in mind - the energy released from the mass relays is supposed to cover the WHOLE galaxy - yet only one ship crashes...)?

Not to mention that the game doesn't tell the whole truth - all those millions of aliens you just recruited? Yeah, none of them are going home anytime soon. Without mass relays (even if the FTL boosters still work), it'll take YEARS from them to get back home. So if you saved the quarian homeworld, congrats - you also made sure none of their fighters are getting home to their families.

And, then, as everyone states, Turians and Quarians have different biochemistry than humans. They're going to starve to death while everyone else tries to form an imbred community in order to (this is assumed to be them) reach the story of "the Shepard" that's tacked on at the end.

If you can answer those questions, you'll have me satisfied.

[ZX12r Ninja]

SilencedScream wrote...

1.) Because either they should've died or they should've followed Shepard. Or did they just get the beam, say to themselves "Eh, Shepard's got this - I'm headed back home on the Normandy?" This is character development - if they turned coward at the last second, we should know. Otherwise, why aren't they dead/with Shepard?

2.) The Guardian tells you what the endings do, but no repercussions seem to be shown (except the eyes glowing in Merge). I picked Destroy. Shouldn't the geth ships be dropping out of the air? Shouldn't I get a second or two to see dozens of geths suddenly shutting off and falling over?

Why is Joker suddenly flying through space, trying to outrun the mass relay? We're in the middle of a war. He doesn't know if Shepard's activated the thing or not. And if it's the mass relay that causes the Normandy to crash, why didn't the same happen to all of the ships orbiting Earth (keep in mind - the energy released from the mass relays is supposed to cover the WHOLE galaxy - yet only one ship crashes...)?

Not to mention that the game doesn't tell the whole truth - all those millions of aliens you just recruited? Yeah, none of them are going home anytime soon. Without mass relays (even if the FTL boosters still work), it'll take YEARS from them to get back home. So if you saved the quarian homeworld, congrats - you also made sure none of their fighters are getting home to their families.

And, then, as everyone states, Turians and Quarians have different biochemistry than humans. They're going to starve to death while everyone else tries to form an imbred community in order to (this is assumed to be them) reach the story of "the Shepard" that's tacked on at the end.

If you can answer those questions, you'll have me satisfied.

Don't see what this has todo with closure. These are just details and details I already explained to you through logical thinking. If you had actually read anything written in this thread I do agree on the plothole of inbreading and the amount of people on the ship apart from that everything has been answered and don't feel like going into it again as you can easily just go back to page 1 and read it there.

What happened to the survivors, that's just detail,  it doesn't have anything todo with the main storyline. So getting back to closure.

[Militarized]

Except, since it's a character driven game since ME2 the details become important to all the stories you've invested yourself in. There were essentially... what? 11+ untold stories?

[LordHelfort]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

What about Garrus, James, Ashley & Javik? Not soldiers?  If you think for 1 second that Garrus wouldn't be right behind Shepard storming that Reaper then YOU are the one that hasn't been paying attention.

Nope, sorry, everything you said is coming from a person that is in denial. You're trying to make up crap & fill in the gaps so the ending doesn't seem as bad as it is. You're trying to convince yourself & everybody else that destroying the mass relays & stranding the Turian, Quarian, Asari & Krogan fleets on Earth was a good idea. That making it so Wrex, Grunt, Liara, Samara, Tali & Garrus can never see their homeworlds ever again was good writing. But you're not going to pull that one off no matter how hard you try. As you can see, I'm not the only one that hates the endings. So if majority of the fans hate the endings then Bioware messed up. There's no way you can fix that no matter how hard you try.  

Even if it does make sense to you, what good is it if everybody hates it? George Lucas thought making Han shoot first was a good idea. We all know how that turned out.

And what about all the decisions you made in the previous games not amounting to jack-****. How are you going to defend that one? I want to see you attempt to make sense out of that. The only explanation that would make any sense is Bioware ran out of money or time. Or just didn't give a rat's ass.

Pfft... If you read my first post you'll find I defended the ending as a standalone but apparently some people can't seem to think for themselves and need ALL the answers served on a plate. What if you know what happened there? What does that add to the story? It's obvious something happened there but it's not important to the story so why bother with it? If you really want to know you can use your imagination and think up something or through the use of logic extrapolate an answer. Most things people concider as plotholes are just obvious things an apparently some people can't think and thus need those obvious facts spelled out for them.

If you hate it, then hate it for a reason and that reason hasn't been given yet. Everytime I ask for a reason people start about things that didn't make sense to them. If you didn't like it or even hate it so much you need to bash it then have the guts to come up with a good reason when asked for it and not just be a negative nancy because it's what easy to join the masses.

Dont want all the answers given to them on a plate....would make perfect sense if we hadn't been both promised all the answers, and then paid for them. Without those two conditions, your argument is correct.

Your other arguments referencing Joker, the teleporting squadmates etc. seem...unbeleivably strange and unreasonable. This makes me wonder if you are subtly trolling.

[SyyRaaaN]

This is a long troll post. Obviously. I'm tempted to start analyzing the story and deconstruct it. Because defending this as a "good" and "deep" ending is beyond me.

[SilencedScream]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Don't see what this has todo with closure. These are just details and details I already explained to you through logical thinking. If you had actually read anything written in this thread I do agree on the plothole of inbreading and the amount of people on the ship apart from that everything has been answered and don't feel like going into it again as you can easily just go back to page 1 and read it there.

What happened to the survivors, that's just detail,  it doesn't have anything todo with the main storyline. So getting back to closure.

No - detail IS closure.
Otherwise it could just end with "Shepard beat the reapers."
If detail isn't important, it isn't important how he beat them.
If detail isn't important, then choosing an ending isn't important (they're all endings, right?)
If detail isn't important, then what happens to the Normandy isn't important (it has nothing to do with Shepard beating the reapers, does it?)
If detail isn't important, then there was no need to specify that the mass relays are gone (it's the energy they give off - not their destruction - that causes the specified ending to take place).

God is in the details (idiom, not religious statement).
The moment you allow details to slide, that's when developers stop putting forth effort.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Militarized wrote...

Except, since it's a character driven game since ME2 the details become important to all the stories you've invested yourself in. There were essentially... what? 11+ untold stories?

Can you please first deliver on your promise instead of popping in and out of this thread with short lines.
http://social.biowar...86325/1#9686385

So what details are you looking for then?

[ZX12r Ninja]

SilencedScream wrote...

No - detail IS closure.
Otherwise it could just end with "Shepard beat the reapers."
If detail isn't important, it isn't important how he beat them.
If detail isn't important, then choosing an ending isn't important (they're all endings, right?)
If detail isn't important, then what happens to the Normandy isn't important (it has nothing to do with Shepard beating the reapers, does it?)
If detail isn't important, then there was no need to specify that the mass relays are gone (it's the energy they give off - not their destruction - that causes the specified ending to take place).

God is in the details (idiom, not religious statement).
The moment you allow details to slide, that's when developers stop putting forth effort.

So okey, let me get this straight. First you say it's Shepard's story and you didn't get any closure on it. Then you turn around and say you need details about squadmates because you didn't get any closure. So what is it? What do you want. Tell me why you didn't get closure and the details you are looking for. You're just rambeling on about this and that, important this, important that without even explaining yourself or going into details. What details are you looking for. You just enter some obscure thing and then claim you didn't get closure. I also didn't get any closure. There was a button on one of the panels on the CIC of the Normady, it was blinking red. Did that light ever go out, did it turn green? What happend to it? I need details! Seems to me you're just being negative to be negative.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 08 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[N7 Banshee Bait]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

What about Garrus, James, Ashley & Javik? Not soldiers?  If you think for 1 second that Garrus wouldn't be right behind Shepard storming that Reaper then YOU are the one that hasn't been paying attention.

Nope, sorry, everything you said is coming from a person that is in denial. You're trying to make up crap & fill in the gaps so the ending doesn't seem as bad as it is. You're trying to convince yourself & everybody else that destroying the mass relays & stranding the Turian, Quarian, Asari & Krogan fleets on Earth was a good idea. That making it so Wrex, Grunt, Liara, Samara, Tali & Garrus can never see their homeworlds ever again was good writing. But you're not going to pull that one off no matter how hard you try. As you can see, I'm not the only one that hates the endings. So if majority of the fans hate the endings then Bioware messed up. There's no way you can fix that no matter how hard you try.  

Even if it does make sense to you, what good is it if everybody hates it? George Lucas thought making Han shoot first was a good idea. We all know how that turned out.

And what about all the decisions you made in the previous games not amounting to jack-****. How are you going to defend that one? I want to see you attempt to make sense out of that. The only explanation that would make any sense is Bioware ran out of money or time. Or just didn't give a rat's ass.

Pfft... If you read my first post you'll find I defended the ending as a standalone but apparently some people can't seem to think for themselves and need ALL the answers served on a plate. What if you know what happened there? What does that add to the story? It's obvious something happened there but it's not important to the story so why bother with it? If you really want to know you can use your imagination and think up something or through the use of logic extrapolate an answer. Most things people concider as plotholes are just obvious things an apparently some people can't think and thus need those obvious facts spelled out for them.

If you hate it, then hate it for a reason and that reason hasn't been given yet. Everytime I ask for a reason people start about things that didn't make sense to them. If you didn't like it or even hate it so much you need to bash it then have the guts to come up with a good reason when asked for it and not just be a negative nancy because it's what easy to join the masses.

Mass Effect is the type of game where you get all the answeres served on a plate. It never was one of those psychological murder mystery thrillers with a lot of plot twists that fry your brain. Except for The Illusive Man's motives the entire series has been pretty straight forward.

Ever since "The Sixth Sense" & The Others", everybody has been going for that super duper epic plot twist ending that nobody saw coming. It's easy to see that Bioware was going for the same thing but it just doesn't work for Mass Effect. We don't want some weird cryptic symbolism that you have to put together yourself. We don't want 50 million gaps that we need to fill in by ourselves (like you're trying to do). We don't want all our decisions that we made thoughout all 3 games being completely erased. We don't want more questions than we had in the beginning. We just want a real friggin ending. Something simple & satisfying.

Did we need a major plot twist at the end of Star Wars for it to work? NO! Luke blew up the Death Star, everybody was happy, THE END! We all wanted the same thing for Mass Effect. Did we really need little ghost catalyst dude talking a bunch of stupid psychobabble? HELL NO! Did we need the mass relays to blow up & destroy all the planets we fought so hard to save? HELL NO! That's why nobody likes the ending, even if it did make sense, it just flat out sucked.