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[Hambrick]

Mixorz wrote...

Lots of waaaaaaaaaaaah in this topic. Grow a pair and move on.

grow a quad*

There. All better. 

[tkdnova]

 the ending of the game was simply a fail         took 15+ hours to beat the game    only 10 min to ruin it 

[Trand]

Meh I liked the ending. It closed the series and ended Shepard's story.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

Storenumber9 wrote...

This is copied from my original thread:

" So, I'm not here to say that the ending totally cheapened the gameplay experience in Mass Effect 3, but it certainly created some reservations about playing it again. I'll try to keep this simple and mature, since there seems to be a lot of threads on this lately....

I've only beaten this game about 40 minutes ago, and I've been desparately looking around the internet to find out how I could end the game how I want to. There seems to be fruitless, according to nearly every source I talk to.

It kind of hurts a bit, since I've been with this series for three years. I actually rate this series over Star Wars (Another sci-fi favorite of mine) and Star Trek, the two "big dogs" of sci-fi. The whole world is fluid and a lot of Mass Effect I can relate to when I think about humanity's future in the galaxy. It handles really big questions very well, and it keeps in line with the concept that there's always something bigger out there in the universe.

Then there comes the gaming aspect. I've played both Mass Effect 1 and 2 countless times. I'm brought back to the time my friend convinced me to play Mass effect, and how I could shoot myself in the foot for not playing this sooner. (I had tried on occasion on X-Box, but I never got past Eden Prime until I played it on the computer. Really stupid move on my part.)

I've poured over 100 hours into the first game alone, finely crafting how my Shepard acts and reacts to situations, along with Mass Effect 2. And when those ended, I said to myself, "Well, I know they will make more, they have time to wrap things up."

I couldn't say that with this one. I can't say "Finally, they have wrapped things up." Right now, I'm sitting here thinking about restarting the game, but I am not sure I will enjoy it as thoroughly as I did the first time around, specifically because of the ending.


And with that TL'DR introduction, I give you my reasons why I was disappointed with the ME3 ending:

1.) There are no options in the end.

No matter what we do, everything goes to hell, and we're all stuck. Shepard lives, Shepard dies, becomes a Reaper, whatever, his friends are stuck in remote systems and he can't really do anything to help the reconstruction of Earth.

For a game (And a game COMPANY) that prides its self on the variables of taking certain actions within a game, Bioware has certainly made the ending to one of the best game franchises (possibly ever) pretty closed off. Where are the options? Why aren't certain ending available to those who want it? Isn't that what Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age, and damn near every Bioware game is all about?

Like I've said before, with the endings to 1 and 2, I think it was expected to have more closed off endings, with little to no option that affects it. It's a trilogy, after all. And I can even understand KOTOR and Dragon Age, although I enjoyed both of those endings enough to accept them no matter what the outcome was.

But I expected more from Mass Effect. This was their flagship title. This title shows to not only fans of bioware, but to gamers in general the integrity, the talent, and flexibility of Bioware. The ending in Mass Effect 3 should have more options. Period.

2.) The ending is poorly written. Now, I understand Bioware might have time restraints. I do. I really do.

But, the ending was just a mess. I'm going to deal with it in parts.

First, where did the Catalyst come from? What we get from the Catalyst is that A.) It controls the Reapers, and B.) It was probably created by some long forgotten race that decided it was a good idea to exterminate everything.

Honestly, this wasn't needed. I don't think a true explanation for the Reapers was ever needed, really. And if they wanted to go that way, why not say they were AI that went out of control, like the Geth? They could have come to the conclusion themselves that organic life is unimportant, or too dangerous.

Either way, the Catalyst being this mysterious superbeing is unneeded, and ultimately raises more questions at a place in the game (THE VERY ENDING) where it doesn't need to be.

How did this race come to this conclusion that genocide was a suitable option? This seems like more of a Machine thing to do. (Moraless machines, calculating that organic life is a liability.) What was the end game to this race that created the Reapers? It's all just...uninspiring.



The next big problem is, you guessed it, plot holes.

why is the Normandy going FTL out of the system? I know I'm not the only one who thinks this, there's countless threads on it, but I think it's because this makes no sense whatsoever. I figure of all people, JOKER would rather get his butt to the Crusible than high tail it out of the Sol system.

Furthermore, why were my squadmates suddenly alive and well on the Normandy? In my game, Cortez died, and I far as I know, most people who could fly dropships were dead or pre-occupied. Did Joker pick them up? If so, how the hell did they make it out of that blast alive? The last thing I saw as Shepard, everyone dies from a giant beam courtasy of Harbinger (Who I am assuming is the one shooting at me.), which left me battered up, bleeding, and with half my armor missing, but I'm suppose to believe that Tali (One of my squad mates at the time) got away with not even a suit puncture? I'm sorry Bioware, but this makes no damn sense.


Lastly, they didn't come to a close as well as they could have. What happened to the Krogan? The Salarians? Geth? Anybody?

How did Tali (My LI) react to my death? I'm sure most of us expected Shep to have the potential of death, but in my game, I wasn't even shown a glimpse of sadness from Tali, who just earlier were talking about our loving exchange on Rannoch. We don't even get an epilogue.

Instead, the game ends with us looking at a stargazer and a child, telling us this was all a story. What a lackluster way to end a great damn series. I don't know much about story telling, but I do know you don't completely change the way the story is being told.

Now, I'm not saying the Stargazer "made up" the whole story. He admits that he didn't, so everything that happened in the ME universe happened. But there are some MORE plothole issues to resolve here alone.

1.) How did they know? It seems to be the same place Joker landed, but there's no information to give us that there are new Mass Relays, or that anyone on this mystery planet know what Shepard did, so how would he know the ending?

2.) It a plain silly way to end the series. No. I mean it. Silly.



To end this, I want to make clear that I am not regretting my pre-order buy. No, I'm not saying to myself "Man, I wish I canceled," or "Bioware is never getting my business again."

Overall, the game was very enjoyable, and I don't think it will hinder me from buying another Bioware game. But I do believe DLC should come out to better resolve the ending.

Now, I'm going to admit, I'm all for the "disney" ending. I wanna be able to see my LI and go off into the sunset, or whatever people do in the movies, but I would like it to be earned.Maybe war assets affect how the crusible is made? If it's rushed, it won't work properly, or something. I don't know.


But I do believe, despite my bias for the sweet ending, I think Bioware AND Mass Effect fans should be rewarded for their trek through the Mass Effect universe. Nothing has brought us more joy than to go through this universe, and I think it should end how we want to.

I think Bioware might have lost a bit of touch with what fans loved about this series. They don't want to see a solid, closed ending where you can't really affect it, because we see that all of the time in movies. We want to see the ending we want to see, because we've put the time to craft our characters the way we want to. I know I'm speaking for a lot of people who don't share my opinion here, but I'm hoping a lot of you do, so I'm going crazies with the "we" usage here.

All in all, I love Mass Effect 3. I love the hell out of it. Just open up the endings a bit. If not change the endings as a whole, change it to so there aren't so many glaring errors in my face when I beat the game. (Although, again, I'm all for a happy ending. Just saying. You're teamed up with EA now, Bioware, I knows you can afford it. I also know you cut it from the game. What's up with that?)


That's my 2 cents.

Aaand for those of you who don't spend time reading posts this huge, here's an abridged version:

The ending was disappointing and made absolutely no sense whatsever. Plz release DLC to fix this Bioware."

This is awesome. Anyways, you may also want to add to your abridged version that you still enjoyed the game and do not hate Bioware as those seem to be a couple of other major points.

[moonslightv]

KRAETZNER wrote...

I see Mass Effect becoming an example of how not to end a series. "Did you hear about that new game that just came out? I hear they pulled a Mass Effect."

Totally and utterly this x10000

[Jjacobclark]

moonslightv wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

I see Mass Effect becoming an example of how not to end a series. "Did you hear about that new game that just came out? I hear they pulled a Mass Effect."

Totally and utterly this x10000

its a problem of trust and now no matter how compelling any of their future games will be I will always be waiting for the axe to fall. Not saying I wont consider buying bioware games in the future but i certainly no longer am willing to immerse myself into their creation as I used to be. It cheapens Mass Efffect and anything related to it and it cheapens any excellent work that they might do in the future.

[DenisN]

The ending kind of makes sense to me, I don't think it was delivered very well though. The whole thing kind of made the series seem like the matrix trilogy to me. Where it builds up and up and it's really exciting and then at the end it's like 'yeah we don't really now how to deliver on what we were trying to do, so here's this'.

I have to say that I personally can't think of what I would have done to deliver on that ending concept however. It was kind of like walking out of a film where everything was awesome up until the last few scenes and even though everything fit, you're like; 'oh. well that was that I suppose' And the after-credits scene almost made it seem like one of those "the whole thing was just a dream' endings.

Also the different endings aren't really different, it's not worth any time or effort to get them.  The color of the beam changes and the shader effect on sheperd changes and the reapers either turn one color or another, and fall down or fly away,  with the exact same camera action, the exact same extras action at the exact same pace with all the same animation timing.  And a different set of 3 characters march out of the normandy depending on what you did.

***Edited while Hecuter was responding***

Modifié par Denis Nickoleff, 09 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[Hecuter]

Denis Nickoleff wrote...

The ending kind of makes sense to me, I don't think it was delivered very well though. The whole thing kind of made the series seem like the matrix trilogy to me. Where it builds up and up and it's really exciting and then at the end it's like 'yeah we don't really now how to deliver on what we were trying to do, so here's this'.

It's the difference between having a talented writer and not having one.

[HairyMadDog1010]

Jeez why don't yall spend 5 minutes on a happy extending ending fanfiction, trust me it is better then getting this worked up.

[Storenumber9]

Because nerds care about their nerdy things.

[zuckas]

I just don't get the normandy part of the ending. After everything this team has gone through during the series they don't try to find shepard? they don't crash on earth instead? They run away like cowards contradicting all their previous actions in the series?

[Storenumber9]

That's pretty much one of the major problems with the endings.

[Seanabhainn]

Storenumber9 wrote...

Because nerds care about their nerdy things.

Exactly.

[KingNothing125]

Denis Nickoleff wrote...

The whole thing kind of made the series seem like the matrix trilogy to me. Where it builds up and up and it's really exciting and then at the end it's like 'yeah we don't really now how to deliver on what we were trying to do, so here's this'.

Well yeah, that's it exactly. But I don't know how that "makes sense".

The end of the Matrix was the biggest cop-out BS ending ever, until ME3 came along.

Modifié par KingNothing125, 09 mars 2012 - 11:01 .

[Sywen]

 After a full nights sleep.  Game still has be depressed and angry.  I will not become emotionally invested in a game again.  This is worse then Game of Thrones killing off my favorite characters in every book.  At least I still have hope for a good ending there.

Never felt so hopeless and empty after a game I was suppose to play for fun.

I never posted on the forums until yesterday.  Just sick about this.

[lasertank]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Denis Nickoleff wrote...

The whole thing kind of made the series seem like the matrix trilogy to me. Where it builds up and up and it's really exciting and then at the end it's like 'yeah we don't really now how to deliver on what we were trying to do, so here's this'.

Well yeah, that's it exactly. But I don't know how that "makes sense".

The end of the Matrix was the biggest cop-out BS ending ever, until ME3 came along.

The end of the Matrix comes with reasons. The whole war history between man and machine are fully explained in Matrix: Animation. So we can understand why the machine build the matrix and clean things up with the cycles. In ME3 I see no explanation is given for the war between organic and synthetic lives. Especially after I solved the conflict between geth and quarian, the big talk give by the child AI in the final scene is simply crap. How could that be a satisfying ending?

[Jjacobclark]

lasertank wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Denis Nickoleff wrote...

The whole thing kind of made the series seem like the matrix trilogy to me. Where it builds up and up and it's really exciting and then at the end it's like 'yeah we don't really now how to deliver on what we were trying to do, so here's this'.

Well yeah, that's it exactly. But I don't know how that "makes sense".

The end of the Matrix was the biggest cop-out BS ending ever, until ME3 came along.

The end of the Matrix comes with reasons. The whole war history between man and machine are fully explained in Matrix: Animation. So we can understand why the machine build the matrix and clean things up with the cycles. In ME3 I see no explanation is given for the war between organic and synthetic lives. Especially after I solved the conflict between geth and quarian, the big talk give by the child AI in the final scene is simply crap. How could that be a satisfying ending?

yeah it was really ironic considering how great of a solution you can get with the geth and the quarians

[nitefyre410]

Hecuter wrote...

Denis Nickoleff wrote...

The ending kind of makes sense to me, I don't think it was delivered very well though. The whole thing kind of made the series seem like the matrix trilogy to me. Where it builds up and up and it's really exciting and then at the end it's like 'yeah we don't really now how to deliver on what we were trying to do, so here's this'.

It's the difference between having a talented writer and not having one.

 

^  We have a winner here. 

[Jjacobclark]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Hecuter wrote...

Denis Nickoleff wrote...

The ending kind of makes sense to me, I don't think it was delivered very well though. The whole thing kind of made the series seem like the matrix trilogy to me. Where it builds up and up and it's really exciting and then at the end it's like 'yeah we don't really now how to deliver on what we were trying to do, so here's this'.

It's the difference between having a talented writer and not having one.

 

^  We have a winner here. 

there has to be a real story here though, how could a whhole group of people think that this is ok. The writers really messed up but so did the project director, the producers and everyone else on it. There had to have been disagreements over the ending if any of them are actual mass effect fans.

[nitefyre410]

lasertank wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Denis Nickoleff wrote...

The whole thing kind of made the series seem like the matrix trilogy to me. Where it builds up and up and it's really exciting and then at the end it's like 'yeah we don't really now how to deliver on what we were trying to do, so here's this'.

Well yeah, that's it exactly. But I don't know how that "makes sense".

The end of the Matrix was the biggest cop-out BS ending ever, until ME3 came along.

The end of the Matrix comes with reasons. The whole war history between man and machine are fully explained in Matrix: Animation. So we can understand why the machine build the matrix and clean things up with the cycles. In ME3 I see no explanation is given for the war between organic and synthetic lives. Especially after I solved the conflict between geth and quarian, the big talk give by the child AI in the final scene is simply crap. How could that be a satisfying ending?

 


This most likely what happend Bioware never expected anyone to be resolve that conflict... because the high rep check needed from two game . ... Yeah pased that with a problem.. .so they get end and now the have this question that allluded to why Organics  seem has this need to destroy themselves... but instead we this really weak hook of a Tech Singularity ..nonsense...  So instead  stepping with what building for the whole game depending you choices and create  ton of replay value ... the just copped out and trying to some artistic, psuedo-philosophical nonsense that just sound like they are   fan fiction writers and kids playing with concepts they  knew little about... 

Yeah I'll take my "Crappy" JRPGS any day at least the know how the cards they are handed  People complained 13 -2 ending and this makes that look a damn gem.   The irony of it all... Activation goes down in the Guisness book of world records as having the best ending for a video ever....  Mean this mess bioware handed us  is a joke.     

Jjacobclark wrote...

*Snip* 
there has to be a real story here though, how could a whhole group of people think that this is ok. The writers really messed up but so did the project director, the producers and everyone else on it. There had to have been disagreements over the ending if any of them are actual mass effect fans.

 


I have couple of ideas  on how this happened most of it just speculation.   Most of it being the Bioware was trying to be like everyone else , it always felt like the story felt like the little brother trying to live up to  big brother. In the end the shot themselves in the foot because the forget  one simple things... K.I.S.S.    Keep It Simpe Stupid.   A complete disconnect from  what  story they set up... this was  NGE, Deus Ex, Serial Experiments Lain type endings. The problem is there is  no point behind  it...   The now great thought provoked besided... What the hell? 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 09 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[Arokel]

Honestly I'm okay with the the endings. Not happy but okay. The whole Joker and crew running away thing is a different matter but as for the main ending I am okay.

I am actually intrigued a bit. If it was me I would release a better ending dlc FOR FREE and end Mass Effect forever but I can see EA trying to pump it for more money in the future. The problem is that the relays went boom and (if you choose destroy) most eezo based tech devices are now fancy paperweights. This leads me to wonder what (unless they do a prequel) would they call it. It doesn't make sense to call it Mass Effect.

[Jjacobclark]

This series was my generations star wars or star trek and now that is ruined.

[siefier25]

Who cares everyone died. Why did joker tuck tail and run with my LI and how the hell did one of my squadmates survive, when over the comms it clearly states my squad was wiped out(maybe not clearly, but in all of the mess you can make out "the entire group was wiped out" over sheps com).

Bad writing. Pretend that you are satisfied with the ending. But with these examples, it looks not only rushed, but it was a poorly executed ending.

[Fair34]

The ending looked and felt as rushed as the KOTOR 2 ending.

Come on, Bioware. You guys are so much better than this crap.

[TheJokerAU]

i am so full of mixed emotions(mostly rage) i can not believe they did this to mass effect and more importantly us loyal fans who have followed this game since the beginning.....i used to have great respect for bioware....but i am not sure anymore......</3