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[kiera embers]

this summarizes my arguement. its a good link 

Modifié par kiera embers, 10 mars 2012 - 10:47 .

[Im_so_high]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

I see Mass Effect becoming an example of how not to end a series. "Did you hear about that new game that just came out? I hear they pulled a Mass Effect."

lol, I am gonna go add that to the Urban Dictionary and Tv Tropes.com.

A Mass Effect:
Pulling "A Mass Effect" is a literary device in which the entire series is ruined in an incoherent mess. Seriously, I don't mind sad endings, but this is just bull. A good example of how to properly end a series (and many may not like the game) is Halo 3. Sure, the story wasn't anywhere near as good as Mass Effect, but they knew how to end it. Master Chief saves the galaxy and stops the flood but is lost in the process. He is claimed dead and the Earth mourns him. It was a fitting end to the trilogy. This, this ending, this ending is just, just, I am at a total lose for words.

Not to shoot down your little explanation or anything but Halo isnt a trilogy and it isnt done yet. Halo 4 people.

[deathscythe517]

^ It's not even being developed by the same company, and unlike ME3, it actually is a blatant milking of the cashcow.

[Im_so_high]

deathscythe517 wrote...

^ It's not even being developed by the same company, and unlike ME3, it actually is a blatant milking of the cashcow.

So? Doesnt change the fact that its still going on.

[deathscythe517]

Eh, fair point, and I could give a rats arse about Halo, it's about as generic as you can get...

[Razyx]

Hexxys wrote...

All of my actions were in vain. This is fiction, and I wasn't playing to save no-name NPCs in the game. The reason I did all of those side quests, saved all of my squad mates, and played the game at all in the first place is to come out victorious in every sense of the word. As it is right now, that's not possible.

No matter what I do, the Mass Effect universe as we know it is destroyed. No relays = no galactic civilization = no mass effect. Even if I save myself (Shepard), I destroy the Geth and EDI, on top of everything else that happens automatically. If I control the reapers, or synthesize, Shepard dies and is never able to see his friends or LI ever again. What's the point?

I hate when people say "durrr there are no happy endings IRL, get over it" when making reference to a purely fictional video game. The purpose of fiction is for the reader/watcher/player to live out these fantastic adventures vicariously. Fiction is not subject to the realities of our existence. In a very real sense, in fact, it allows us to escape them.

I'm not suggesting that the endings should have "only" been happy. I'm suggesting that the endings should be vastly different based on the choices we've made, the paths we've pursued, and time we've spent forging alliances. A sad ending is fine, as long as it's one of many possibilities. Happy, bittersweet, sad... They all have their place. It was up to us to achieve them, however Bioware seems to have dropped the ball on their end by not even giving us the opportunity.

Fully agree..., that epilogue (after credits) wrong, and devastating. 

Modifié par Razyx, 10 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[Dreamdancer]

Just finished ME3 last night, and there's really nothing I can write that hasn't been said on these forums before. I'm torn between bitter disappointment and sheer amazement.
I'm amazed because after doing so many things so right, I cannot for the life understand how Bioware could get so many things so wrong at the endings. I think right up to the final minutes ME3 is one heck of a game - and the endings completely ruin it.
I still have three different saves with ME/ME2 playthroughs on my HD, but why bother?
*sadly shaking his head*

Modifié par Dreamdancer, 10 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[Jjacobclark]

I feel like if we can keep all these threads going strong that will at least be something, not let up. Hopefully in the next few days we will have a big eu boost as well.

[Cosmar]

Troutz wrote...

Jjacobclark wrote...

I really found the scene after the credits extremely disturbing, I can't quite put my finger on it but it makes me incredibly depressed.

almost as depressed as liara and garrus on some abandoned island with my shep half dead on the citadel hoping for a ship to come and pick him up.

This.

The ending made me emotional, but it wasn't bittersweet (like this sort of ending should have been). It just sucked. It was a sucky, depressing end. The worst part is all they had to do was extend the cinematic by like one minute and everything would have been great. Maybe have the Normandy survivors setting up a little monument on their new jungle world to you, have them dub the new world Shepard or something. Maybe have your LI crying over a faux grave they made for you (in lieu of having your body).

Screw it, you don't even need to extend the cut scene. Just give me a text epilogue. Give me anything. Why does this game have to end so abruptly?!

This, a thousand times this! I've come to terms with the endings themselves, and even think they are beautiful in a way. But the following epilogue-ish cinematic was very lacking! Yes, even just one minute of at least seeing the crew react to their new situation, especially the LI grieving over Shepard would have been wonderful.

And in my Shepard's case, it was even more depressing with the LI situation, because I was a male Shep who romanced Kaidan ("after all this time..."  ) and that particular relationship was so new compared to the others (Garrus, Liara, Tali etc.) that it felt even more depressing knowing that such a new love was so quickly extinguished.

[Tamuril24]

Give me a happy endling please bioware I want my disney parade, I'm not ashamed to want that and what my shepard has worked so hard for, give her some peace.

[Superninfreak]

Savber100 wrote...

Troutz wrote...

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

No one is trying to pretend this is a 'Disney movie'. We just want a game that we loved for its "YOUR ACTIONS MATTER" theme to, I don't know, have an ending where your actions over the entire trilogy actually mattered. Instead we get three static endings and loose ends all over the place.

Your actions mattered. It saved the galaxy and it dealt with an ancient galactic god machines that no one previously can defeat. Based on your choices, the war is brought to a close while avoiding any GOOD ANGEL = GREAT ENDING and BAD RENEGADE= HORRIFIC DEATH which would have people still b*tching about how horrific Bioware's writing is, calling it "cliched" or "appealing to lowest common denominator" etc

The only difference is that your choices didn't save YOU (and your crew) but is that a surprise? Self-sacrifice has always played a big theme and it was something that has hinted at since ME2. I applaud Bioware for this direction. 

Bioware gave the series closure, knowing that it will ****** people off. If they had wanted to appease casuals, they would have given us the Disney ending we wanted. 

Is the ending perfect? Of course not but it was the right call and I'm sick that Bioware is getting pummeled for taking the bold step. 

Shepard saved the world by destroying all the mass relays - completely ruining galactic society and killing everyone who lived in a system with a relay.

By destroying the relays the number of innocents even a paragon shepard killed is up there with the Reapers. 

[Sywen]

I think the ending of ME3 has ruined all gaming for me, for awhile at least. I can't bring myself to load anything else up.

[Jjacobclark]

Superninfreak wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Troutz wrote...

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

No one is trying to pretend this is a 'Disney movie'. We just want a game that we loved for its "YOUR ACTIONS MATTER" theme to, I don't know, have an ending where your actions over the entire trilogy actually mattered. Instead we get three static endings and loose ends all over the place.

Your actions mattered. It saved the galaxy and it dealt with an ancient galactic god machines that no one previously can defeat. Based on your choices, the war is brought to a close while avoiding any GOOD ANGEL = GREAT ENDING and BAD RENEGADE= HORRIFIC DEATH which would have people still b*tching about how horrific Bioware's writing is, calling it "cliched" or "appealing to lowest common denominator" etc

The only difference is that your choices didn't save YOU (and your crew) but is that a surprise? Self-sacrifice has always played a big theme and it was something that has hinted at since ME2. I applaud Bioware for this direction. 

Bioware gave the series closure, knowing that it will ****** people off. If they had wanted to appease casuals, they would have given us the Disney ending we wanted. 

Is the ending perfect? Of course not but it was the right call and I'm sick that Bioware is getting pummeled for taking the bold step. 

Shepard saved the world by destroying all the mass relays - completely ruining galactic society and killing everyone who lived in a system with a relay.

By destroying the relays the number of innocents even a paragon shepard killed is up there with the Reapers. 

its certainly a major lore issue in that just about every race the reapers were going to kill were essentially killed by shepard when he destroyed the relays.

[Iztiak]

I don't think they were ruined. :S I loved every second up until the last couple imnutes of the game, all 5 years Mass Effect has been out. Just incredibly depressed now. lol

[Phaedra Sanguine]

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

This.

[Kitten Tactics]

This is not real life. It is escapism. And a series that is built on choice. You can have your downer, nonsense ending. But why don't I get the choice of a well thought out, fitting, hopeful ending?

[Im_so_high]

Superninfreak wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Troutz wrote...

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

No one is trying to pretend this is a 'Disney movie'. We just want a game that we loved for its "YOUR ACTIONS MATTER" theme to, I don't know, have an ending where your actions over the entire trilogy actually mattered. Instead we get three static endings and loose ends all over the place.

Your actions mattered. It saved the galaxy and it dealt with an ancient galactic god machines that no one previously can defeat. Based on your choices, the war is brought to a close while avoiding any GOOD ANGEL = GREAT ENDING and BAD RENEGADE= HORRIFIC DEATH which would have people still b*tching about how horrific Bioware's writing is, calling it "cliched" or "appealing to lowest common denominator" etc

The only difference is that your choices didn't save YOU (and your crew) but is that a surprise? Self-sacrifice has always played a big theme and it was something that has hinted at since ME2. I applaud Bioware for this direction. 

Bioware gave the series closure, knowing that it will ****** people off. If they had wanted to appease casuals, they would have given us the Disney ending we wanted. 

Is the ending perfect? Of course not but it was the right call and I'm sick that Bioware is getting pummeled for taking the bold step. 

Shepard saved the world by destroying all the mass relays - completely ruining galactic society and killing everyone who lived in a system with a relay.

By destroying the relays the number of innocents even a paragon shepard killed is up there with the Reapers. 

There was no indication that the people who lived in a system with a mass relay actually died. He blew up the relays not the entire systems. Unless you wanna argue that the relay somehow crashed into the planet blowing it up in the process, then by all means have your 'Paragon shepard killing countless innocents'. 

[Im_so_high]

Paxcorpus wrote...

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

This.

Glad you agree with someone who has such a short sighted view on mass effect as well as life. No one asked for a disney ending. It still would have sucked if everything turned into sunshine and rainbows as Shepard walked into the light while Harbinger was taking pot shots at him.

I"m pretty sure more than half of the Mass effect communtiy is upset with the way things went down.

Sure, I'm all for the Hero sacrificing himself for the greater good of the galaxy, but the ending of a trilogy is supposed to bring some closure to the events that unfold.

Did you see any closure in that last 5 minutes of the game? No? Didn't think so. 

Apart from the the already unanswered questions we are left with even more. For example: Why was the Nomandy traveling in the Mass Relay when they went super nova? Did joker decide to abandon Earth and all of its people? and why are squadmates that I know died walking out of the Normandy looking extremely alive?

It kinda seems like Bioware just trolled us. I think a picture of the troll face would have been a better alternative to the 5 minute cutscene at the end which completely ruined the mass effect series and completely destroying its replay value.

I don't see myself playing through Mass Effect 3 again. It would feel like walking to a grave. I dont fancy seeing characters I've become attached to die over and over again.

Modifié par Im_so_high, 11 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[Iztiak]

It should have had choices.

You should have been able to go out in a blaze of glory, if you wanted.

You should have had a tragic end, if you wanted.

You should have been able to play the game and prepare so little that the reapers win, and Shep dies.

And at the very least you should have been able to have a happy ending.

Martyrdom for the hero is as much of a cliche as a happy ending. So let the goddamn players choose.

Modifié par Iztiak, 11 mars 2012 - 04:34 .

[Jjacobclark]

Im_so_high wrote...

Paxcorpus wrote...

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

This.

Glad you agree with someone who has such a short sighted view on mass effect as well as life. No one asked for a disney ending. It still would have sucked if everything turned into sunshine and rainbows as Shepard walked into the light while Harbinger was taking pot shots at him.

I"m pretty sure more than half of the Mass effect communtiy is upset with the way things went down.

Sure, I'm all for the Hero sacrificing himself for the greater good of the galaxy, but the ending of a trilogy is supposed to bring some closure to the events that unfold.

Did you see any closure in that last 5 minutes of the game? No? Didn't think so. 

Apart from the the already unanswered questions we are left with even more. For example: Why was the Nomandy traveling in the Mass Relay when they went super nova? Did joker decide to abandon Earth and all of its people? and why are squadmates that I know died walking out of the Normandy looking extremely alive?

It kinda seems like Bioware just trolled us. I think a picture of the troll face would have been a better alternative to the 5 minute cutscene at the end which completely ruined the mass effect series and completely destroying its replay value.

I don't see myself playing through Mass Effect 3 again. It would feel like walking to a grave. I dont fancy seeing characters I've become attached to die over and over again.

actually in the poll 97 percent of the community is unhappy with the ending. That is astounding.

[Tamuril24]

http://www.neogaf.co...&postcount=1760 <-------- something to consider at least.

[MoarToast4U]

The only shred of solace I can find with any of the endings is the theory that the old man telling the story at the end is a distant descendent of Ashley and Shepard, with Ash becoming pregnant with Shepard's child the night before the raid on the Cerberus base and giving birth many months later on the jungle planet. But even that is soured by the nonsensical ending of the Normandy somehow finding its way onto a random habitable jungle planet for no reason (not to mention the additional variables of MaleSheps that romanced aliens or FemSheps). I don't know what Bioware felt we needed to be punished for or why, but there it is...

[Im_so_high]

Jjacobclark wrote...

Im_so_high wrote...

Paxcorpus wrote...

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

This.

Glad you agree with someone who has such a short sighted view on mass effect as well as life. No one asked for a disney ending. It still would have sucked if everything turned into sunshine and rainbows as Shepard walked into the light while Harbinger was taking pot shots at him.

I"m pretty sure more than half of the Mass effect communtiy is upset with the way things went down.

Sure, I'm all for the Hero sacrificing himself for the greater good of the galaxy, but the ending of a trilogy is supposed to bring some closure to the events that unfold.

Did you see any closure in that last 5 minutes of the game? No? Didn't think so. 

Apart from the the already unanswered questions we are left with even more. For example: Why was the Nomandy traveling in the Mass Relay when they went super nova? Did joker decide to abandon Earth and all of its people? and why are squadmates that I know died walking out of the Normandy looking extremely alive?

It kinda seems like Bioware just trolled us. I think a picture of the troll face would have been a better alternative to the 5 minute cutscene at the end which completely ruined the mass effect series and completely destroying its replay value.

I don't see myself playing through Mass Effect 3 again. It would feel like walking to a grave. I dont fancy seeing characters I've become attached to die over and over again.

actually in the poll 97 percent of the community is unhappy with the ending. That is astounding.

Like i said, more than half.

[Jjacobclark]

Tamuril24 wrote...

http://www.neogaf.co...&postcount=1760 <-------- something to consider at least.

whether it is out of desperation or not I am starting to consider this as the only plausible explanation.

or mebbe green space magik