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[Wazooty]

They could've easily destroyed it without making it so depressing and inconclusive. By destroying the relays they pretty much accomplished that. They didn't need to give the middle finger to shepard and all the people he met along the way.

[Savber100]

Jjacobclark wrote...


again people are not angry because of a lack of a disney style ending. people are angry because of a lack of percieved closure to a series that has just ended. perhaps you have found enough closure in the game but as a poll on the forums here indicates you are only apart of 5 percent of the population that has.

Where is this poll? I would like to see it. 

Bioware gave the closure it promised. Shepard's end was satisfying and not a total cop-out like I feared as I have always saw Bioware as the Disney of the Video Games industry in which they are always obliged to give the super duper happy ending that most causals want. 

Once again, the endings for ME3 is not perfect but it was bold, right step from Bioware's part. 

[Landline]

Well, this proved one thing for me,

Bioware has some talented people working on it's team, but the core story writers are not on that list. Who ever wrote these endings should have been working on something they were actually good at, and if someone actually looked at that ending and said "that's good" they're a god'amned moron. Real shame since everything was going so well until you enter the beam.

Looking back nearly all of their games relied on the characters to carry it through, because the god'amned main plot wasn't going to.

[Intax]

It was shaping up to be the best game in the series, easily. Those last few minutes of the game after Tim went down just... I don't even know what to say. Disappointing to say the least.

[SNascimento]

Wazooty wrote...

They could've easily destroyed it without making it so depressing and inconclusive. By destroying the relays they pretty much accomplished that. They didn't need to give the middle finger to shepard and all the people he met along the way.

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That can be fixed with an epilogue. Although I wish they don't... 

[deathscythe517]

Savber100 wrote...

Jjacobclark wrote...


again people are not angry because of a lack of a disney style ending. people are angry because of a lack of percieved closure to a series that has just ended. perhaps you have found enough closure in the game but as a poll on the forums here indicates you are only apart of 5 percent of the population that has.

Where is this poll? I would like to see it. 

Bioware gave the closure it promised. Shepard's end was satisfying and not a total cop-out like I feared as I have always saw Bioware as the Disney of the Video Games industry in which they are always obliged to give the super duper happy ending that most causals want. 

Once again, the endings for ME3 is not perfect but it was bold, right step from Bioware's part. 

You know what? No, go to hell. I am sick and tired of people like you, people who hold their noses up in the air because it's not 'dark' enough. It's not ADULT enough. There are no hardcores or casuals, there are only gamers, and thanks to people like you, the franchise I and many people invested into has been ruined and you defending this tripe just shows it's going to keep getting worse.

News of the day: dark is not deep, depressing isn't emotionally gripping, and when a game trumpets that choices and consequences are one of its main selling points everyone else plus myself have a right to be pissed off. You want dark and edgy? Listen to the stories of veterans, victims, of people who have suffered in real life. Oh wait, that's too 'real' for you isn't it? No you just want something to be grimdark for the sake of being grimdark because you think it somehow makes it more intellectual or mature.

I was so close to finishing the bloody game but now I don't even want to touch it anymore. Congratulations Bioware, you've effectively killed your universe and by extension made George Lucas look like less of a hack.

[Jigero]

Savber100 wrote...

Where is this poll? I would like to see it. 

Bioware gave the closure it promised. Shepard's end was satisfying and not a total cop-out like I feared as I have always saw Bioware as the Disney of the Video Games industry in which they are always obliged to give the super duper happy ending that most causals want. 

Once again, the endings for ME3 is not perfect but it was bold, right step from Bioware's part. 

No one is asking for a disney ending, Just asking for one that diddn't make every thing you did enteriely pointless, diddn't raise more questions and answered none, and diddn't force some contrived dichotomy about order in chaos we never get to see or understand.

[Savber100]

deathscythe517 wrote...

You know what? No, go to hell. I am sick and tired of people like you, people who hold their noses up in the air because it's not 'dark' enough. It's not ADULT enough. There are no hardcores or casuals, there are only gamers, and thanks to people like you, the franchise I and many people invested into has been ruined and you defending this tripe just shows it's going to keep getting worse.

News of the day: dark is not deep, depressing isn't emotionally gripping, and when a game trumpets that choices and consequences are one of its main selling points everyone else plus myself have a right to be pissed off. You want dark and edgy? Listen to the stories of veterans, victims, of people who have suffered in real life. Oh wait, that's too 'real' for you isn't it? No you just want something to be grimdark for the sake of being grimdark because you think it somehow makes it more intellectual or mature.

I was so close to finishing the bloody game but now I don't even want to touch it anymore. Congratulations Bioware, you've effectively killed your universe and by extension made George Lucas look like less of a hack.

Calm your horses. I feel thematically the ending fits. I understand that people are upset over the bittersweet (or bitter w/e you like to see it) but the point is that I understood why the ending ended as it does. The execution might have been mediocre but the ending was a match to what I felt was the direction the franchise would and should have headed with the entire "galactic war with god machines". 

I'm simply sick of the trope of some hero riding off to the sunsets that people seems to be confushing with the other critics that demanded a more solid closure with Shepard and his or her LI of which I understand more to an extent. 

But either way I still think that reaction to the endings is simply an overreactio to an expectation that desired a happy, triumphaunt ending that we had in ME2 which simply wasn't matching what we have seen about the war prior to ME3. 

I apologize if I came across as arrogant although your attitude isn't really helping with that "casual" arguement. 

Modifié par Savber100, 08 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[JalenTigh]

This is such crap... Three choices at the end... all with the exact same result.. making the the choice itself absolutely pointless.

I just do not get it... such a great game completely ruined at the end.

[Dracotamer]

Agreed. Worst game ending ever and one of the worst story endings.

[Gexora]

Seeing people here actually finished the game - why does Normandy leave you? I heard about a spoiler leak that Joker leaves Shepard and couldn't believe t, is that true?

[Ieldra]

FWIW, I agree with the statement in the thread title. The ending choices, while disconnected from the rest of the game, are interesting, but galactic civilization being destroyed in all endings will make replays feel like you're walking to a funeral.

Evidence: nobody talks about which ending is the best. Everyone talks about how they all suck (or why they're all ok for a minority). Technically, the endings couldn't be more different, but as how they affect the things we care about they're all too similar. Affecting the future of all life in the galaxy in different ways is about as big a choice as you can make in this setting, but it's also rather dry and distant, it doesn't engage the emotions. The things we care about, they're gone. Not just Shepard, that would be ok with me, but the whole setting we've come to live in for five years.

It feels like a betrayal.

As a sidenote, if you delve into the details it actually isn't that bad, but the main force of the presentation is directed into making you believe the galaxy is f*cked and civilization is reset. That will shape collective perception of the endings.

Have I mentioned how I hate "civilization is reset" endings? It's as if everything you've done has been pointless.

That, too, feels like a betrayal.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[Hexxys]

All of my actions were in vain. This is fiction, and I wasn't playing to save no-name NPCs in the game. The reason I did all of those side quests, saved all of my squad mates, and played the game at all in the first place is to come out victorious in every sense of the word. As it is right now, that's not possible.

No matter what I do, the Mass Effect universe as we know it is destroyed. No relays = no galactic civilization = no mass effect. Even if I save myself (Shepard), I destroy the Geth and EDI, on top of everything else that happens automatically. If I control the reapers, or synthesize, Shepard dies and is never able to see his friends or LI ever again. What's the point?

I hate when people say "durrr there are no happy endings IRL, get over it" when making reference to a purely fictional video game. The purpose of fiction is for the reader/watcher/player to live out these fantastic adventures vicariously. Fiction is not subject to the realities of our existence. In a very real sense, in fact, it allows us to escape them.

I'm not suggesting that the endings should have "only" been happy. I'm suggesting that the endings should be vastly different based on the choices we've made, the paths we've pursued, and time we've spent forging alliances. A sad ending is fine, as long as it's one of many possibilities. Happy, bittersweet, sad... They all have their place. It was up to us to achieve them, however Bioware seems to have dropped the ball on their end by not even giving us the opportunity.

Modifié par Hexxys, 08 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[CyberneticGHOST]

I appologize for this wall of text and the lack of grammar knowledge. 

First of all, I've been a big fan of this series, since it's released. Games, books, comics and merchandise I have it all. It is one of my favorite series of all time.

 I enjoyed what ever it is tagged as Mass Effect product. Except the single recent novel, which I will not mention here. Waiting for the last game and a so-called "closure" as the dev team said it has been really exciting. I believe you all have the same feeling as I do, if you like the series.

 Now that the game has been released, I've been on it for about roughly 10 hours now. I'm going really slowly and trying to enjoy every bits of it. Every thing was great. . . .




. . . . until I stumble upon this forum. (Note : It is partailly my fault for reading a spoiler thread, I will admit that much.)
I am now on the same page as the OP or even worse. Since I've not even finished the game yet. Probably no where near the half way mark either, since I'm going for a perfectionist play through. As soon as I know how the ending will turn out to be. All the feeling I had about this series had boiled down to one word . . . "Betrayal".

 I felted extremely depressed at first, but then it hits me harder. When I realized that all my options, all my choices, all my playthrough from previous game means nothing at all. 

That  was when my craving and my need to continue playing Mass Effect 3 have faded entirely. Since nothing really matters anyway. It will all end the same. Same 4 generic ending with slight bit of variation. 
Worst betrayal of all in this mess of an ending is that, The dev team said this will be a closure. Instead they give us these endings(No where near the word "Closure" at all) that actually ended with even more questions.

This was suppose to be a game that "all" choices matter, It was even advertised as such. (Not just that one last choice in the end)

You have ruined my 5 years of love & happyness I've had for this series and one of my hobby.
Thank you, BioWare.

TL;DR : I felt the same way the OP did, or even worse.

Modifié par CyberneticGHOST, 08 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[Jjacobclark]

CyberneticGHOST wrote...

I appologize for this wall of text and the lack of grammar knowledge. 

First of all, I've been a big fan of this series, since it's released. Games, books, comics and merchandise I have it all. It is one of my favorite series of all time.

 I enjoyed what ever it is tagged as Mass Effect product. Except the single recent novel, which I will not mention here. Waiting for the last game and a so-called "closure" as the dev team said it has been really exciting. I believe you all have the same feeling as I do, if you like the series.

 Now that the game has been released, I've been on it for about roughly 10 hours now. I'm going really slowly and trying to enjoy every bits of it. Every thing was great. . . .




. . . . until I stumble upon this forum. (Note : It is partailly my fault for reading a spoiler thread, I will admit that much.)
I am now on the same page as the OP or even worse. Since I've not even finished the game yet. Probably no where near the half way mark either, since I'm going for a perfectionist play through. As soon as I know how the ending will turn out to be. All the feeling I had about this series had boiled down to one word . . . "Betrayal".

 I felted extremely depressed at first, but then it hits me harder. When I realized that all my options, all my choices, all my playthrough from previous game means nothing at all. 

That  was when my craving and my need to continue playing Mass Effect 3 have faded entirely. Since nothing really matters anyway. It will all end the same. Same 4 generic ending with slight bit of variation. 
Worst betrayal of all in this mess of an ending is that, The dev team said this will be a closure. Instead they give us these endings(No where near the word "Closure" at all) that actually ended with even more questions.

This was suppose to be a game that "all" choices matter, It was even advertised as such. (Not just that one last choice in the end)

You have ruined my 5 years of love & happyness I've had for this series and one of my hobby.
Thank you, BioWare.

TL;DR : I felt the same way the OP did, or even worse.

hang in there buddy it gets better after a couple of hours
it still sucks but it doesnt feel quite like getting stabbed anymore


also here is a link to the poll
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Modifié par Jjacobclark, 08 mars 2012 - 08:05 .

[Claym0re]

People are raging for a reason. The problem is not the lack of happy ending. Its the lack of "fulfilling" ending.

This series was great in terms of building up the emotions, and all the communication from Bioware suggested we all will have our own Shepard with all the grief and happiness based on our choices.

Instead people were slapped in the face since in the end none of our choices mattered, we didn't get answers about cycle, about the future of our friends, the species we doomed or saved.

Modifié par Claym0re, 08 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[bpzrn]

This is a quote from another post I feel sums it up well


"it's a betrayal of one of the central themes behind the entire series: The idea that your choices matter. One of the huge things that was promised for the third game, and that until the very end was was lived up to more spectacularly than I could have ever imagined, was the idea that every big or little thing you did mattered and would be noticed by people. You see it all over the place: Fail to finish a side quest, and it'll slightly affect the outcome of the story because your cruisers don't have enough engineers. It's part of what made the world so interesting, and made so many of us fans follow the series with passion. When every choice we make is rendered irrelevant, in the finale of the series for god's sake"

[Gallowglass1983]

Jjacobclark wrote...

Words cannot properly describe how awful I feel about all this. it was a good game and a great series up until the end when  every single mystery this game had was ruined and turned into a stupid 5 minute cutscene .

I really found the scene after the credits extremely disturbing, I can't quite put my finger on it but it makes me incredibly depressed.

almost as depressed as liara and garrus on some abandoned island with my shep half dead on the citadel hoping for a ship to come and pick him up.

Agreed.  I'd wanted to come away feeling satisfied (at least), not depressed.

[JDreamerM]

I hate you Bioware!
I've pre-order game, wait months till it's release and then you destroy all my hopes in 5 minutes with such **** ending!!!

[AndyXTheXGamer360]

My love Tali is alone on an island with Garrus and Joker.......
Shepard better recover and find a way there, and fast!

[Riddic]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

The endings are trash and always will be.

LOL

[KingDan97]

I think I just found the actual dialogue from the epilogue in the game files. It's only text so I'll just type it out:

1: And you really think people will buy that crap?
2: Sure, people will buy anything, we just need to seed enough faith from our fans.
1: What about the space editions?
2: We'll have them all sign non-disclosure agreements, and if they break them then there will always be those who will deny it, cling onto hope.
1: Okay, but when the game launches, that's basically the end of the series right? No real room to move forward, no space to go back.
2: That's the genius of it, we can have people pay for another ending and then claim that's been the real ending all along.
1: Bioware, you are financial geniuses, but terrible writers.

[paralitos]

its logical that people will be upset with the dark endings because they invested a lot of time in this game and they formed a compation for the characters in it, but i think that in total for a sci-fi story the ending made sence,as a matter of fact if it had a happy ending or a lets kill the reapers and be happy ending i would be angry because it would have decrated the importance of the events, the things that bothered me however were first that the war assets as a main objective of the game had nothing to do with the ending, what does the the quarian or geth forces joining the war have to do with how many choices the catalyst gives me in the end, also i didnt like the normandy part and seeing Vega f*****g coming out of normandy after he died in the run to the beam part, wait what? i guess the last one was a bug or a glitch that could be fixed if the developers focused less on DLC and more on bug and glitch detection...

[KingSnake661]

Savber100 wrote...

deathscythe517 wrote...

You know what? No, go to hell. I am sick and tired of people like you, people who hold their noses up in the air because it's not 'dark' enough. It's not ADULT enough. There are no hardcores or casuals, there are only gamers, and thanks to people like you, the franchise I and many people invested into has been ruined and you defending this tripe just shows it's going to keep getting worse.

News of the day: dark is not deep, depressing isn't emotionally gripping, and when a game trumpets that choices and consequences are one of its main selling points everyone else plus myself have a right to be pissed off. You want dark and edgy? Listen to the stories of veterans, victims, of people who have suffered in real life. Oh wait, that's too 'real' for you isn't it? No you just want something to be grimdark for the sake of being grimdark because you think it somehow makes it more intellectual or mature.

I was so close to finishing the bloody game but now I don't even want to touch it anymore. Congratulations Bioware, you've effectively killed your universe and by extension made George Lucas look like less of a hack.

Calm your horses. I feel thematically the ending fits. I understand that people are upset over the bittersweet (or bitter w/e you like to see it) but the point is that I understood why the ending ended as it does. The execution might have been mediocre but the ending was a match to what I felt was the direction the franchise would and should have headed with the entire "galactic war with god machines". 

I'm simply sick of the trope of some hero riding off to the sunsets that people seems to be confushing with the other critics that demanded a more solid closure with Shepard and his or her LI of which I understand more to an extent. 

But either way I still think that reaction to the endings is simply an overreactio to an expectation that desired a happy, triumphaunt ending that we had in ME2 which simply wasn't matching what we have seen about the war prior to ME3. 

I apologize if I came across as arrogant although your attitude isn't really helping with that "casual" arguement. 

"Simply sickof the trope of some hero riding off to the sunset" .  Fair enought.  And you got it.  Now, let me ask you, the way bioware was touting this game for YEARS and YEARS about your choices impacting the game and it being "YOUR" shepard, and all the many possible ending they lead us to belive they'd have, one of them couldn't satisif US too?  You got yours, i figured i'd have gotten mine, after all, why not?  I had control right?  Apperently not, and that's what pisses me off most.  The ending, what we all were waiting on, you control what? 10% of the outcome in the grand scheem of things? Nothing, NOTHING you do can save the relays, the ship, the universes as we know it?  That isnt control.  MY choices didn't do squat.  I feel lied too. 

And the REALLY REALLY sadpart its, ME3, the GAME, up unitl the endings, WAS the best of the 3.  Talk about blowing it in the 4th quater....