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[Claym0re]

I am confused. People are asking for multiple detailed endings based on our choices (including total annihilation). How does this make us "Disney whiners"?

[Lugaidster]

 The title of this thread sums it up...

Best part of the game: "Emergency Induction Port"
Worst part of the game: Anything that comes after the running to the beam.

The moment Shepard was lying all bloody trying to get up walking towards the light beam I realized that what was comming wasn't going to be nice. When the stupid little boy proposed that geth and synthetic life be wiped out I realized that everything I did was for nothing.

Legion gave his "life" so that the Geth were independent. EDI fell inlove. Krogan were cured and were going to have billions of kids with the first named Mordin (and having a peaceful leader). Wars were a thing from the past given the collaboration with species as far apart as the Geth and the Rachnii. Earth was finally going to be saved... In the end, TIM was right... All the effort was for naught. 

It would've not mattered if Shepard found the beacon or not in Eden Prime. The cycle wasn't broken. There will probably not be a new reaper cycle, but the current one wasn't broken. At least the protheans lived for centuries waging the war, that's better than what we got.

Probably the reason I'm so disturbed is because the game actually made me feel involved. Seeing that there really isn't hope (All endings are the same regardless of if Shepard lives or not). No relays, no traveling, no friends closing the story and whomever actually survived (not explained) stranded in the middle of nowhere. There's actually no salvation. The cycle did end and everything did change. It feels so... lonely... I hope there's a better ending somewhere else inside the game...

At the very least, to give the game a little replay value. As it stands, I have no desire or willingness to go play all through the series again to see the different outcomes. Because there are no different outcomes. I think BW missed the opportunity to actually sell the older games to newcomers. And it feels like there's no reward for all of us that stuck from the beginning with the first one in the series.

BTW, Sovereign conversation? awesome. This ending(s)? aweless. 

[darkFearz]

For people saying we are complaining about not getting a "Disney" ending....It's about the horribly written ending. I wonder if they hired the Mass Effect: Revelation author to write the ending.

- Huge plot/lore holes.
- No closure with your characters.
- Choices from previous games didn't matter in the end.
- Getting assets to help with the war didn't matter in the end.

I want my choices to affect the ending.

If my choices caused Shepard to die, comrades to die, LI dies, reapers to win, etc. etc. then I'm fine with it if it gave me CLOSURE and the end actually was well written BASED on my CHOICES.

Same for the opposite end of the spectrum. If I did everything from ME1 to the end trying to ensure my survival, comrades survival, gathering assets, happy ending with LI, etc. etc. Then I want and ending that reflects that. Along with CLOSURE and a well written ending BASED on my CHOICES.

I expected multiple endings. What was given was 3 color choices; all ending the same with nothing affected by your choices from the previous games. It's that simple.

Modifié par darkFearz, 08 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[FoxShadowblade]

You know what the worst part is? Not a word frpm bioware about this.

I...honestly can't explain how I feel.. Betrayed, I guess? I didn't ask for a perfect ending, I asked for an ending well done as I've come to expect from mass effect. This was just... Half assed whackjob garbage for a trilogy's ending.

I have nine more playthroughs, all with everything possible done with them in the previous games, and I've been staring at new game since I beat it half an hour ago... I will not be importing the r#st of my shepards, better off assuming they died in the collector base.

who sat down and said 'this is a really good idea'? They were wrong. The ending has sapped my will to do much more with.this game. I would have excepted the reapers winning over this... I just feel like someone died, hell I'm probably not making much sense.

Bioware, I'm disappointed. Your endings made me feel like my time in your series and your world was wasred time. So many hours of the first two games, 25 of this, wasted and spat on.

[Claym0re]

FoxShadowblade wrote...

You know what the worst part is? Not a word frpm bioware about this.

They are waiting for the European release uproar. Not to mention those who need a bit more time (this weekend) to finish the game and enjoy this perfect ending.

Lugaidster wrote...

Best part of the game:  "Emergency Induction Port"

Tali

Modifié par Claym0re, 08 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[IanPolaris]

FoxShadowblade wrote...

You know what the worst part is? Not a word frpm bioware about this.

I...honestly can't explain how I feel.. Betrayed, I guess? I didn't ask for a perfect ending, I asked for an ending well done as I've come to expect from mass effect. This was just... Half assed whackjob garbage for a trilogy's ending.

I have nine more playthroughs, all with everything possible done with them in the previous games, and I've been staring at new game since I beat it half an hour ago... I will not be importing the r#st of my shepards, better off assuming they died in the collector base.

who sat down and said 'this is a really good idea'? They were wrong. The ending has sapped my will to do much more with.this game. I would have excepted the reapers winning over this... I just feel like someone died, hell I'm probably not making much sense.

Bioware, I'm disappointed. Your endings made me feel like my time in your series and your world was wasred time. So many hours of the first two games, 25 of this, wasted and spat on.

Indeed, I think the Reapers winning is actually BETTER than the ending (there really is only one with different colored lights).  After all with the Reapers, the relays still exist and there is STILL hope that maybe, just maybe the next cycle will get it right this time.  The key word is HOPE which is absent from the ending as written now.

-Polaris

[Vikali]

Claym0re wrote...

I am confused. People are asking for multiple detailed endings based on our choices (including total annihilation). How does this make us "Disney whiners"?

A lot of happily ever after people like to mask their actual desire for the perfect ending by pretending to be a part of the choice people. So it cheapens those who actually have legit concerns.

[KillSlash45]

Claym0re wrote...

I am confused. People are asking for multiple detailed endings based on our choices (including total annihilation). How does this make us "Disney whiners"?

Because the people upset about the endings are not just the choice-based crowd.

A substantial portion wants a happy ending where shepherd gets to be with his crew and his LI

[IanPolaris]

Claym0re wrote...

FoxShadowblade wrote...

You know what the worst part is? Not a word frpm bioware about this.

They are waiting for the European release uproar. Not to mention those who need a bit more time (this weekend) to finish the game and enjoy this perfect ending.

Yeah, it's perfect alright.  Perfect bad.  So perfectly bad it manages to ruin what otherwise would be an incredibly good game in just under fifteen minutes of play.

-Polaris

[vyvexthorne]

I don't get how people could have gone through all the endings yet.. Or even played long enough to get all the resources available to get a good ending. On the other games I got at least 50 hours gameplay in each game.. In 3 I'm at hour 12 in the game... 2 days since game release. People must just be flying through this game.

[Militarized]

Who the hell tells that depressing of a story to a child anyway?

[Kiyosuki]

 I love dark endings, or ambiguous endings.

My gripe is the fact the three choices are essentially the same thing, with only minor differences, and although the implications behind those endings are wildly different and huge they're conjectural. I love to use my imagination to fill in the blanks and...I probably will here, but it doesn't really necessarilly excuse ending on a choice that ultimately leads to different colored versions of the same conclusion. At least visually.

And the Normandy thing stil doesn't make sense. I still love this universe, and the journey it took to get there, but I really can't agree that the end is faultless. If only the three choices had more varation, I'd probably be defending the endings' ambiguous nature or at least one of them, but that does kind of bug me a bit regardless.

[wrdnshprd]

Savber100 wrote...

Troutz wrote...

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

No one is trying to pretend this is a 'Disney movie'. We just want a game that we loved for its "YOUR ACTIONS MATTER" theme to, I don't know, have an ending where your actions over the entire trilogy actually mattered. Instead we get three static endings and loose ends all over the place.

Your actions mattered. It saved the galaxy and it dealt with an ancient galactic god machines that no one previously can defeat. Based on your choices, the war is brought to a close while avoiding any GOOD ANGEL = GREAT ENDING and BAD RENEGADE= HORRIFIC DEATH which would have people still b*tching about how horrific Bioware's writing is, calling it "cliched" or "appealing to lowest common denominator" etc

The only difference is that your choices didn't save YOU (and your crew) but is that a surprise? Self-sacrifice has always played a big theme and it was something that has hinted at since ME2. I applaud Bioware for this direction. 

Bioware gave the series closure, knowing that it will ****** people off. If they had wanted to appease casuals, they would have given us the Disney ending we wanted. 

Is the ending perfect? Of course not but it was the right call and I'm sick that Bioware is getting pummeled for taking the bold step. 

the one problem with this is.. its not how the game was advertised.. if you look at past interviews, bioware has clearly stated that there isnt supposed to be a 'canon' ending.. WE are supposed to make the ending through the choices we made.   the whole 'take earth back' advertising slogan comes to mind..

well, based on whats been stated on the forums.. there certainly looks to be a 'canon' ending, and NONE of the endings are good for shepard.  i personally cant comment on that because i havent beaten it yet.  we'll see.

[aim1essgun]

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

Stop pretending this is a Disney movie with sex scenes and violence.

we're all adults. suck it up. The ending was great. Least mine was.

I cried and laughed, i was on the edge of my seat and emotionally drained after it was over.

Great game series, some of the best money i've ever spent

Uh...what?

The endings were bad because they were bad. Not because they were sad. 

Bad writing is bad writing. If you jumped into the beam and everything turned into sunshine and rainbows, the ending still would have sucked horribly. 

[IanPolaris]

vyvexthorne wrote...

I don't get how people could have gone through all the endings yet.. Or even played long enough to get all the resources available to get a good ending. On the other games I got at least 50 hours gameplay in each game.. In 3 I'm at hour 12 in the game... 2 days since game release. People must just be flying through this game.

It's not hard.  If you play throught the game once with as much EMS as you can get, you get a save point just before the final choice, so you can replay all three in a matter of minutes.  Not only that but the entire game has already been datamined.  What you see is what you (don't) get.

-Polaris

[johhnytrash]

Jjacobclark wrote...


at least extrapolate on the philosophical ramifications a bit before you make me change the ontology of organic life

That's exactly why I chose destroy. My thought was:

Monty Haul: "Do you want ending out of door number one, door number two, or door number three?"

[aim1essgun]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Claym0re wrote...

I am confused. People are asking for multiple detailed endings based on our choices (including total annihilation). How does this make us "Disney whiners"?

Because the people upset about the endings are not just the choice-based crowd.

A substantial portion wants a happy ending where shepherd gets to be with his crew and his LI

Regardless of what people want, the ending is horribly done from a detached "is this good writing" perspective. Show this to any good writer or discerning fan of fiction, and they'll be like "wow, that is awful writing". 

[Taleroth]

aim1essgun wrote...

Bad writing is bad writing. If you jumped into the beam and everything turned into sunshine and rainbows, the ending still would have sucked horribly. 

I'm imagining Joker as a rainbow, now.

Modifié par Taleroth, 08 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[PerfectLife]

I liked the ending I got, if you don't like your ending then sucks to be you.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

aim1essgun wrote...
Regardless of what people want, the ending is horribly done from a detached "is this good writing" perspective. Show this to any good writer or discerning fan of fiction, and they'll be like "wow, that is awful writing". 

Question...is it worse writing than Resident Evil 5's, or pretty much anything Capcom has released? I only ask because as much as I love Capcom, they're my basis for bad writing...at least in most things. Because if they are, that is a massive fail on Bioware's part.

[Jjacobclark]

PerfectLife wrote...

I liked the ending I got, if you don't like your ending then sucks to be you.

thank you for contributing to this conversation in a thought provoking manner

[ticklefist]

Muezick wrote...

There are no happy ever afters in real life.

There also isn't faster than light speed space travel. Good argument.

[lmxar]

Ah, yes. Bioware. I have been with a good friend as we both play through ME3, and he just beat the game last night. He saved before the final decision, and we watched all three endings. Two of them were mostly the same, and all three were poorly done. Absolutely no sense of closure to the story, only to the series. The lack of closure and lack of relevance of your choices really makes me angry.

I have purchased DA:O, DA2, ME1, ME2, and now ME3. I have every DLC from ME1 and ME2. I have almost all of the DLC for the DA series. I have probably played through the ME series completely 9-10 times. I will not be purchasing another product from Bioware or EA until I have proof that the previous playthroughs have not been a waste of my time. I will definitely not be purchasing DA3.

[PerfectLife]

Jjacobclark wrote...

PerfectLife wrote...

I liked the ending I got, if you don't like your ending then sucks to be you.

thank you for contributing to this conversation in a thought provoking manner

You're welcome, dbag.

[Storenumber9]

A bittersweet is all well and good, but for a game that boasts both good writing AND character options for the player, the ending falls short of both.

From Joker going into FTL, to the stargazer, the whole ending turns the series into a complete mess in a matter of minutes with glaring plotholes that can't be addressed.

Also, I opt for a happy ending. That is, a happy ending earned, not given. Because honestly, I think Bioware will be surprised on how many people DON'T go for it, even with it being an option.

Because, again, it's about player option. This isn't a movie where a director has complete control on where the series goes. Nor is this some action game where we sit back and accept everything because all we want to do is kill big bad things with a giant sword. This game is about options, and what you do with them.

And ME3, up until the ending, had that in full force. Every time I made a choice in ME3, it affected something. But then the ending comes along and makes it all moot.

I hope Bioware doesn't ignore fan complaints about this. They were pretty good in the past about addressing fan concerns, and to not address this concern would be pretty hurtful.