its gonna be real tough. real tough.
How people many will not be purchasing another Bioware game? Based off the endings...
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#427
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:35
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Wow. Rheinlandman makes a great point. Still, if BioWare makes another Mass Effect game that looks promising, I'll probably buy it. Since it won't be Shepard, and probably won't be the same genre, I'd appreciate a demo first, though XD
#428
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 03:19
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I've been a fan of Bioware since the days of Baldur's Gate. The only time I have ever been let down in the quality of the story was Jade Empire (but that was more personal preference at not liking the setting of the game). With all the epic storytelling they have had up until now, I had absolute faith in their ability to create a diverse and satisfying ending to the Mass Effect series. Playing through ME3 I was stoked about what each of my major choices were going to do for what ending I could get....
Then I get there and it doesn't matter. The game (like the other choice driven games they had created before) was supposed to be altered by your actions. Then in the end it doesn't? I paid $65 and didn't get the one thing that was the major selling point for the game. The major thing we were told was going to be in the game. The ability to alter the fate of the galaxy as the result of the influence of the many choices through the game. I don't remember any announcement telling us that they had changed their mind on that.
All those choices are irrelevant. One choice. That's it. Everything else leading up to it is magically pigeon holed into working for this one decision that in no way leaves room for a satisfying ending. I wasn't expecting a magical "everyone gets to live ending", especially after the deaths of Mordin, Legion, and Thane (which were my 3 favorites introduced in ME2). I actually didn't want flowers and sunshine after those three sacrificing everything for the greater good. I did however want their sacrifice to MEAN something and Bioware made it so that they really didn't. All the death and sacrifice you have to endure only meant more death and sacrifice based on a single multiple choice question.
So no, I don't intend to purchase another Bioware game or their DLC until I am told that this terrible ending is fixed. People can say that being that way is nothing more than a sense of entitlement. You know....they are right. I paid good money for the game, as such I am entitled to a good game. You pay a gallon of gas to go in your car and instead they give you a gallon of 9 parts gas and 1 part water; are you not going to complain? Of course you are, because that just doesn't work as a substitute for what you were told you were getting. It's the same concept. I went into this expecting a truly epic ending, I paid for an epic ending, and what I got was some flames being recolored in an explosion, my crew stranded on a planet in all three scenarios and the only change for them is in one of the three they get some fancy glowing lines? Mass Effect 3 is a gallon of liquid that is 9 parts rocket fuel and 1 part water. It works up until you get to that last part and then everything just stops working completely.
Then I get there and it doesn't matter. The game (like the other choice driven games they had created before) was supposed to be altered by your actions. Then in the end it doesn't? I paid $65 and didn't get the one thing that was the major selling point for the game. The major thing we were told was going to be in the game. The ability to alter the fate of the galaxy as the result of the influence of the many choices through the game. I don't remember any announcement telling us that they had changed their mind on that.
All those choices are irrelevant. One choice. That's it. Everything else leading up to it is magically pigeon holed into working for this one decision that in no way leaves room for a satisfying ending. I wasn't expecting a magical "everyone gets to live ending", especially after the deaths of Mordin, Legion, and Thane (which were my 3 favorites introduced in ME2). I actually didn't want flowers and sunshine after those three sacrificing everything for the greater good. I did however want their sacrifice to MEAN something and Bioware made it so that they really didn't. All the death and sacrifice you have to endure only meant more death and sacrifice based on a single multiple choice question.
So no, I don't intend to purchase another Bioware game or their DLC until I am told that this terrible ending is fixed. People can say that being that way is nothing more than a sense of entitlement. You know....they are right. I paid good money for the game, as such I am entitled to a good game. You pay a gallon of gas to go in your car and instead they give you a gallon of 9 parts gas and 1 part water; are you not going to complain? Of course you are, because that just doesn't work as a substitute for what you were told you were getting. It's the same concept. I went into this expecting a truly epic ending, I paid for an epic ending, and what I got was some flames being recolored in an explosion, my crew stranded on a planet in all three scenarios and the only change for them is in one of the three they get some fancy glowing lines? Mass Effect 3 is a gallon of liquid that is 9 parts rocket fuel and 1 part water. It works up until you get to that last part and then everything just stops working completely.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:32
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I've got to say.
I played BW games since KOTOR and NWN. It was always an option to get the good ending. First DA2, now this. I'm not going to pay money, so I would get depressed and feel like crap. I've got RL for that and the depression comes for free, thank you very much.
BW games are among the few that I get such an incredible immersion and joy, but in the end - it just destroys me now. I feel like crap and knowing that I won't play other BW games even if they payed me!
I played BW games since KOTOR and NWN. It was always an option to get the good ending. First DA2, now this. I'm not going to pay money, so I would get depressed and feel like crap. I've got RL for that and the depression comes for free, thank you very much.
BW games are among the few that I get such an incredible immersion and joy, but in the end - it just destroys me now. I feel like crap and knowing that I won't play other BW games even if they payed me!
#431
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:36
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can't say I WON'T buy another Bioware game...... But I will be more careful and research the game before I grab it
DEFINITELY won't be getting another collectors edition
Even if Bioware somehow fixes this they hurt me bad with this ending. I have only played the entire series since October but I got hooked and became incredibly invested into the story. To end it this way is just opening up the scars from other media with ****ty endings (Dark Tower for example)
DEFINITELY won't be getting another collectors edition
Even if Bioware somehow fixes this they hurt me bad with this ending. I have only played the entire series since October but I got hooked and became incredibly invested into the story. To end it this way is just opening up the scars from other media with ****ty endings (Dark Tower for example)
#432
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:37
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I will be thinking long and hard before purchasing more from them.
#433
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:47
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ebsixtynine wrote...
I've been a fan of Bioware since the days of Baldur's Gate. The only time I have ever been let down in the quality of the story was Jade Empire (but that was more personal preference at not liking the setting of the game). With all the epic storytelling they have had up until now, I had absolute faith in their ability to create a diverse and satisfying ending to the Mass Effect series. Playing through ME3 I was stoked about what each of my major choices were going to do for what ending I could get....
Then I get there and it doesn't matter. The game (like the other choice driven games they had created before) was supposed to be altered by your actions. Then in the end it doesn't? I paid $65 and didn't get the one thing that was the major selling point for the game. The major thing we were told was going to be in the game. The ability to alter the fate of the galaxy as the result of the influence of the many choices through the game. I don't remember any announcement telling us that they had changed their mind on that.
All those choices are irrelevant. One choice. That's it. Everything else leading up to it is magically pigeon holed into working for this one decision that in no way leaves room for a satisfying ending. I wasn't expecting a magical "everyone gets to live ending", especially after the deaths of Mordin, Legion, and Thane (which were my 3 favorites introduced in ME2). I actually didn't want flowers and sunshine after those three sacrificing everything for the greater good. I did however want their sacrifice to MEAN something and Bioware made it so that they really didn't. All the death and sacrifice you have to endure only meant more death and sacrifice based on a single multiple choice question.
So no, I don't intend to purchase another Bioware game or their DLC until I am told that this terrible ending is fixed. People can say that being that way is nothing more than a sense of entitlement. You know....they are right. I paid good money for the game, as such I am entitled to a good game. You pay a gallon of gas to go in your car and instead they give you a gallon of 9 parts gas and 1 part water; are you not going to complain? Of course you are, because that just doesn't work as a substitute for what you were told you were getting. It's the same concept. I went into this expecting a truly epic ending, I paid for an epic ending, and what I got was some flames being recolored in an explosion, my crew stranded on a planet in all three scenarios and the only change for them is in one of the three they get some fancy glowing lines? Mass Effect 3 is a gallon of liquid that is 9 parts rocket fuel and 1 part water. It works up until you get to that last part and then everything just stops working completely.
Very well written my friend. And the analogy about water and gasoline works really well for me personally. If you mix water and gasoline, the whole gallon of it will be tainted. That's how I feel about ME3. Just those last 10 minutes have made me hate all of the time I have put into this series. I try my hardest to recapture some of the love, but in the end it doesn't even matter.
Modifié par Harbinger of Hope, 11 mars 2012 - 09:47 .
#434
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:50
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If a company makes a good game I'll buy it, no matter what they've done in the past. That said, the "I'll buy it just because it's bioware" loyalty is gone.
#435
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 09:59
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It all depends on whether or not their future games are well received, because one things for certain: I sure as hell am not preordering another Bioware game until they get their act together.
#436
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 10:07
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....let's just say that Mass Effect 3 will always be lingering at the back of my mind whenever I'm considering picking up a new game from them, or any other company.
#437
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 10:14
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Probably not. I'd definitely wait a bit after release to see the reception. I always had hope they would make Jade Empire 2, but after killing DA2, making SWTOR instead of KOTOR 3 (Which I know I isn't really their fault), and now dropping the ball at the last 10 minutes of the ME franchise.... I don't have faith they would do it right.
For the first time I lost my faith in Bioware. ME 3 was awesome until the end.
For the first time I lost my faith in Bioware. ME 3 was awesome until the end.
#438
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 10:22
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before mass effect 3 i decided that ME3 would be my last bioware game. they are going in a different direction with games from what i like and thats fine with me. then i started playing ME3.. i was engaged, i cried, i was enthralled, i felt the pain, the despair, i was apart of the story, until i reached the final choice..
I loved the story of mass effect i love the journey i would of been fine with a heroic sacrifice at the end where sherpard dies to destroy the reapers, maybe a final goodbye communication with a loved one but this has destroyed what good will i have for bioware.
I applaud the team who worked on ME3, you guys did a great job but the ending.. its going to leave the mass effect series with a legacy of "great games but a shame about the crappy ending in the 3rd one" the damage is done and nothing bioware can do now can fix that
I loved the story of mass effect i love the journey i would of been fine with a heroic sacrifice at the end where sherpard dies to destroy the reapers, maybe a final goodbye communication with a loved one but this has destroyed what good will i have for bioware.
I applaud the team who worked on ME3, you guys did a great job but the ending.. its going to leave the mass effect series with a legacy of "great games but a shame about the crappy ending in the 3rd one" the damage is done and nothing bioware can do now can fix that
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#439
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 10:35
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You must have missed the part where DA2 was rushed out the door with only a year of development behind it. That's where most of its problems stem from.AlexMBrennan wrote...
After DA2? Your faith is disturbing.
The DA team could very well have learned their lesson not to do that again and, unlike the ME team, did not ruin the end of a trilogy spoiling an entire franchise.
Modifié par Blacklash93, 11 mars 2012 - 10:38 .
#440
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 10:48
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It really depends and can't say until their next game actually comes out. The thing is, ME3 minus the endings was downright amazing, at least for me. ME1/2 remain some of my favorite games of all time and ME3 was easily not disappointing in that regard....that is until I got to the ending.
I spoiled it for myself and read about it before actually playing through it myself and still wasn't convinced it could be that bad. Reading about it and actually experiencing it were two very different things though, and now I have no desire to load up ME3 again for another playthrough. This is a first. One of the unique qualities of Bioware titles in my experience is their replayability. I've played all the titles I've bought from them countless times over and over and each time is a new and rewarding experience. Actually I usually immediately start a second playthrough because I can't get enough.
With ME3 its different, the whole ending experience just left me feeling hollow and I cannot honestly see myself playing it ever again. Worse even, its such a sour taste that I'm not even sure I can stomach playing ME1/2 ever as well.
That said, I probably will continue to buy Bioware games but I probably won't be gaming at all for the forseeable future. ME3 seriously burned me out.
I spoiled it for myself and read about it before actually playing through it myself and still wasn't convinced it could be that bad. Reading about it and actually experiencing it were two very different things though, and now I have no desire to load up ME3 again for another playthrough. This is a first. One of the unique qualities of Bioware titles in my experience is their replayability. I've played all the titles I've bought from them countless times over and over and each time is a new and rewarding experience. Actually I usually immediately start a second playthrough because I can't get enough.
With ME3 its different, the whole ending experience just left me feeling hollow and I cannot honestly see myself playing it ever again. Worse even, its such a sour taste that I'm not even sure I can stomach playing ME1/2 ever as well.
That said, I probably will continue to buy Bioware games but I probably won't be gaming at all for the forseeable future. ME3 seriously burned me out.
#441
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 11:07
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I won't be buying another Bioware game even if they make a new ending DLC, they've betrayed me 1 too many times now first KOTOR now Mass Effect. They also betrayed the Dragon Age fans & although I could'nt get into the serise others did & it is yet another black mark on Biowares record. They claim to listen but it's obvious they don't or they would have known why we loved Mass Effect so much in the first place. All the choices we made throughout 1 2 & 3 were all for nothing, good luck in the future Bioware I can say with some certainty that you've lost a fair amount of buisness with this sad attempt at an ending.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 11:21
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I was fairly certain even before getting ME3 that this would be the last Bioware game I buy. The only reason I did was to see the trilogy end (though if I'd known then what I know now, I wouldn't have bothered)
I am now 99.9% certain that I will never buy a Bioware game again. Unless they pull a Vampire: Bloodlines style game of equal quality that is actually reported by paying customers (and not paid-off games magazines) to be a brilliant game that wasn't ruined at some point, then I may consider buying it. Otherwise, it's been a good eight years of mostly good games from you.
However, in the words of Darth Vader: "You have failed me for the last time." If you can't be bothered to put the time and effort into not making stupid mistakes with your games, then I can't be bothered to put the time and effort into playing them. How can you start off with something that was rivaling Star Wars for it's story and end up with the Matrix? That isn't a good decision by any means.
Once I am finished with the achievements on ME3 (about the only thing left worth playing the game for), I will be selling all 3 Mass Effect titles and the various spin-off merchandise I have wasted my money on.
And judging by these boards, people usually get angry or aggressive when you mess up. However, they now seem to all be giving you up a lost cause, as I have. Then again, when you torpedo your own ship and are sinking fast, people will inevitably abandon you.
Good luck in selling any future titles. If these boards are anything to go by, you won't be getting any money from your long-time customers anymore. You certainly won't be getting any money from me.
Goodbye
I am now 99.9% certain that I will never buy a Bioware game again. Unless they pull a Vampire: Bloodlines style game of equal quality that is actually reported by paying customers (and not paid-off games magazines) to be a brilliant game that wasn't ruined at some point, then I may consider buying it. Otherwise, it's been a good eight years of mostly good games from you.
However, in the words of Darth Vader: "You have failed me for the last time." If you can't be bothered to put the time and effort into not making stupid mistakes with your games, then I can't be bothered to put the time and effort into playing them. How can you start off with something that was rivaling Star Wars for it's story and end up with the Matrix? That isn't a good decision by any means.
Once I am finished with the achievements on ME3 (about the only thing left worth playing the game for), I will be selling all 3 Mass Effect titles and the various spin-off merchandise I have wasted my money on.
And judging by these boards, people usually get angry or aggressive when you mess up. However, they now seem to all be giving you up a lost cause, as I have. Then again, when you torpedo your own ship and are sinking fast, people will inevitably abandon you.
Good luck in selling any future titles. If these boards are anything to go by, you won't be getting any money from your long-time customers anymore. You certainly won't be getting any money from me.
Goodbye
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#443
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 11:22
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I just hope they don't expect anyone to buy DLC für ME3 other than some kind of change with the endings...because why the flying **** should i play something that doesn't even matter in the end?
#444
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 11:28
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Never say never.
I don't know, though. There isn't much of anything to look forward to on the Bioware horizon. The ME universe looks to be butchered, DA3 seems pretty distant and I'm not sure I'm interested anyway, and that game they showed at last year's VGA's (Command and Conquer, I think?) looked to be an RTS, which is not a genre I'm interested in.
But even if they do develop something I'm interested in, it won't be a day one purchase. Which is really sad, because I used to say that Bioware could make a golf game and I'd probably play it.
I don't know, though. There isn't much of anything to look forward to on the Bioware horizon. The ME universe looks to be butchered, DA3 seems pretty distant and I'm not sure I'm interested anyway, and that game they showed at last year's VGA's (Command and Conquer, I think?) looked to be an RTS, which is not a genre I'm interested in.
But even if they do develop something I'm interested in, it won't be a day one purchase. Which is really sad, because I used to say that Bioware could make a golf game and I'd probably play it.
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#445
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 11:29
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if they dont fix it i wont be doing anything with bioware ever again, if they fix the ending, but make us pay for it, ill buy the DLC and then never buy anything bioware again
#446
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 11:41
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After this, if they don't fix it or release the real ending... I wont ever. The problem is that they make so good games that I, and most playing them, get completely lost in their worlds. And after ME3, I see that Bioware doesn't take their fans state of mind into account. They have a pretty big responsibility, when making games that makes people this invested. They need to take better care of fans.
The ending to ME3, false or not, is just completely traumatizing. IF they decide to tell us that it was all indoctrination/a dream, then it would like I had a boyfriend who suddenly broke up with me saying he cheated, then waiting two weeks telling me "It was all a joke! Aren't you happy?" ... Well, NO. You made me go through some serious pain Bioware. I have lost my faith. But I still want you to tell me it wasn't real.
If they don't fix this ending, I will never buy another Bioware game again, as a rule. Even if they're good. And that's because I can't and WILL NOT let myself go through this kind of heartbreak over a GAME ever again.
The ending to ME3, false or not, is just completely traumatizing. IF they decide to tell us that it was all indoctrination/a dream, then it would like I had a boyfriend who suddenly broke up with me saying he cheated, then waiting two weeks telling me "It was all a joke! Aren't you happy?" ... Well, NO. You made me go through some serious pain Bioware. I have lost my faith. But I still want you to tell me it wasn't real.
If they don't fix this ending, I will never buy another Bioware game again, as a rule. Even if they're good. And that's because I can't and WILL NOT let myself go through this kind of heartbreak over a GAME ever again.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 11:45
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For me personally my decision will be based on who is the lead writer and who is part of the writing team(s). If it is the lead writer for ME3 I will deffinately give the product a miss because the chances are there may be some LSD trip ending thrown in leaving you thinking wtf just happened and the whole story will be full of plot holes.
#448
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 11:47
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If Mac Walters is in...then i'm out sorry
Now only a GOOD ending DLC can sort this mess
Now only a GOOD ending DLC can sort this mess
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#449
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 12:01
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Not just Bioware. All games. The Mass Effect Series will be a constant reminder. It doesn't matter how good something was, the follow ups can always be beyond disappointing. This wasn't just a let down. The ending tainted the entire series. I can't even bother playing the others anymore. I just don't care. So we'll see. But any game I buy from now on will be done with great hesitation. It's a sad thing.
#450
Posté 11 mars 2012 - 12:05
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I'm taking a wait and see approach BUT when it comes to weighing a game that's honest, even if shallow, and fun versus self-hyped lies and broken promises which Bioware seems to be getting known for, I'll opt for the former.
Seriously, they're giving freaking Molyneaux a run for his money.
Seriously, they're giving freaking Molyneaux a run for his money.
