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[Militarized]

KillSlash45 wrote...

No, it can't continue with Shepherd  and his crew. that's  the point. Other games can take palce with a WHOLE NEW cast of characters at some point in the future when civilizations have advanced enough to re create the technology destroyed, or somewhere close to it.

The plan wasn't for the reapers to kill "everyone".....it was for them to only wipe  out ADVANCED civilizations that could soon create an AI that wipes out ALL organic  life, advanced and not advanced. So yeah, end endings DO make sense.

It begs more questions then it answers and it's obviously a quick "well, we can't be bothered to take the time to show how your actions leading up to this point effect an entire universe so.... LETS COPY DEUS EX, PEOPLE LIKE THAT RIGHT? 

If the Citadel is mommy reaper, why did it need the keepers to open it's self to the reaper invasion? Just flick the switch yourself. The crucible, obviously, was given to species by the Citadel as well... again no sense is made of this. Why does it even bother? 

It's a very poor attempt at a deep ending when they got too LAZY to decide how every action you ever made in a game where that was said to be all that matters and that's an understatement honestly. 

[Yakob]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Yakob wrote...

The series can't continue from here the same way...

No matter what happens the relays are destroyed, the Normandy is wrecked on an apparently deserted planet and in general there's no way to effectively travel between more than a star or two.

The game went from everything hinting towrad something mysterious happening with Dark Energy (so many references in ME2 from people/planet info, more in ME3) to a mysterious, unexplained "all powerful" THING appearing in the last 10min and trying to tell us that while it could make the Reapers, Relay system and Citadel, the best plan for preventing synthetics killing everyone was to kill everyone with synthetics.

No, it can't continue with Shepherd  and his crew. that's  the point. Other games can take palce with a WHOLE NEW cast of characters at some point in the future when civilizations have advanced enough to re create the technology destroyed, or somewhere close to it.

The plan wasn't for the reapers to kill "everyone".....it was for them to only wipe  out ADVANCED civilizations that could soon create an AI that wipes out ALL organic  life, advanced and not advanced. So yeah, end endings DO make sense.

If it's that far in the future, with EVERYONE from any of the games dead. Completely new tech and probably completely new races/racial-relationships it's hardly Mass Effect is it...

Might as well call it Space RPG 2

And seriously, play ME2/3 again and tally how many times Dark Energy is referenced, especially in a mysterious way...

Modifié par Yakob, 08 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[KillSlash45]

Yakob wrote...

If it's that far in the future, with EVERYONE from any of the games dead. Completely new tech and probably completely new races/racial-relationships it's hardly Mass Effect is it...

Might as well call it Space RPG 2

It is still Mass Effect. Mass Effect is a whole IP that encompasses the entire universe the games take place in. Some races recover, others don't. New heroes arise, new stories to tell, and so on.

[Hecuter]

Mercenar1ee wrote...

the horrible ending, the laziness seen in Winter Mars & Tali's photo

The ending is even more horrible because it prevents you from continuing to play the game, killing any future DLC. Can't really do missions if you're stranded on a planet with only crappy FTL drives...

[Dragoni89]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Yakob wrote...

If it's that far in the future, with EVERYONE from any of the games dead. Completely new tech and probably completely new races/racial-relationships it's hardly Mass Effect is it...

Might as well call it Space RPG 2

It is still Mass Effect. Mass Effect is a whole IP that encompasses the entire universe the games take place in. Some races recover, others don't. New heroes arise, new stories to tell, and so on.

Too bad I will not want to invovled with another ****ty ass ending

[KillSlash45]

Militarized wrote...

It begs more questions then it answers and it's obviously a quick "well, we can't be bothered to take the time to show how your actions leading up to this point effect an entire universe so.... LETS COPY DEUS EX, PEOPLE LIKE THAT RIGHT? 

If the Citadel is mommy reaper, why did it need the keepers to open it's self to the reaper invasion? Just flick the switch yourself. The crucible, obviously, was given to species by the Citadel as well... again no sense is made of this. Why does it even bother? 

It's a very poor attempt at a deep ending when they got too LAZY to decide how every action you ever made in a game where that was said to be all that matters and that's an understatement honestly. 

Call the story what you will. I will call it "good", "enjoyable", "well made".  I weigh the story on it's own merits, not on whether or not it is similiar to others.

I am not going to argue any further than "I liked it, you didn't", because internet arguments (almost) never convince me of anything. 

On topic, I will buy future bioware games if I want to. I did not purchase DAII because I did not want to, I purchased ME3 because I wanted to. 

[KillSlash45]

Dragoni89 wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Yakob wrote...

If it's that far in the future, with EVERYONE from any of the games dead. Completely new tech and probably completely new races/racial-relationships it's hardly Mass Effect is it...

Might as well call it Space RPG 2

It is still Mass Effect. Mass Effect is a whole IP that encompasses the entire universe the games take place in. Some races recover, others don't. New heroes arise, new stories to tell, and so on.

Too bad I will not want to invovled with another ****ty ass ending

So spoil yourself with youtube videos before you buy, like most people on here did. Or read the forums and see whether people are angry about it or not.

Modifié par KillSlash45, 08 mars 2012 - 10:11 .

[Agent911]

I'm curious to see if they provide any sort of response or feedback. Would be interesting to get some of their staff interviewed regarding the ending of the game.

If there's no response then I'm done with Bioware games.

[KillSlash45]

Yeah I don't get why people would just not buy any further bioware games. Even if it'snot mass effect, has good gameplay, and generally regarded as having good endings, with no day 1 dlc, and generally accepted by the gamers as a good game.

All because some game in the past had endings you didn't like

[Yakob]

KillSlash45 wrote...

So spoil yourself with youtube videos before you buy, like most people on here did. Or read the forums and see whether people are angry about it or not.

I went into the ending totally blind apart form knowing that people were upset, I assumed it was due to a lack of "rainbows and candy" ending.

It makes 0 sense when in context with the rest of the game/s, none of the choices seem to change what happens really and nothing you do in any of the games changes anything.

Modifié par Yakob, 08 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[KillSlash45]

Yakob wrote...

I went into the ending totally blind apart form knowing that people were upset, I assumed it was due to a lack of "ranbows and candy" ending.

It makes 0 sense when in context with the rest of the game/s, none of the choices seem to change what happens really and nothing you do in any of the games changes anything.

I understand that. I get why people are upset.

Just saying instead of saying absolutely no more bioware games, people should go in with the mindset of:"buyer beware", and do some reasearch before buying. If people are all around upset and raving about it, don't buy or find out why.

[Yakob]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Yakob wrote...

I went into the ending totally blind apart form knowing that people were upset, I assumed it was due to a lack of "ranbows and candy" ending.

It makes 0 sense when in context with the rest of the game/s, none of the choices seem to change what happens really and nothing you do in any of the games changes anything.

I understand that. I get why people are upset.

Just saying instead of saying absolutely no more bioware games, people should go in with the mindset of:"buyer beware", and do some reasearch before buying. If people are all around upset and raving about it, don't buy or find out why.

I won't be pre-ordering Bioware games anymore.

SWTOR was basically unfinished (still massive UI/balance issues)

DA2 was a totally different game to DA:O

Ending in ME3 was HORRIBLE, I LOVED the rest of the game.

[KillSlash45]

Yeah I don't blame you. If a game company upset me as much as Bioware did you, I probably wouldn't preorder their games either.

I actually know people who don't preorder any games. Period. They like knowing for certain what they are getting before putting down a single penny.

Modifié par KillSlash45, 08 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[KainrycKarr]

 I will not be a future Bioware customer. Possibly not EA, either, if I can avoid it.

[Yakob]

ME1 was one of the first games I got on my 360 (about a month after it came out)
Was in the supermarket and saw it, went "hmm... didn't they make KotOR?" and enjoyed it completely.

Pre-ordered ME2 and loved that too, felt it removed a few too many of the RPG elements from ME1 and the story felt alot more constrained but really liked being able to completely change the ending by working hard on building a squad.

ME3 was amazing until you attack Earth... after that everything you did seems to vanish mysteriously and I might as well have been playing a one-off arcade game.

Compare the epic import test of Conrad ( ) to the ending.

Modifié par Yakob, 08 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[stylepoints]

Foulpancake wrote...

No, unless they fix these endings i will never purchase another bioware product. I remember being in Gamestop talking about how bioware games are the ONLY ones i will buy CE for, nobody else, because they have never let me down. Well congratuations bioware, you just let me down big time.

Honestly, i could deal with everything else if the ending allowed my shepard to live out her life with Liara, the romances were something unheard of video games really until Mass Effect came along, for 5 years i built this relationship across 3 games, and finally you rip it all away from me in the blink of an eye.

I'm just so...hurt by bioware... this final chapter meant so much to me and they crushed everything i hoped for. If these atrocities go unfixed

I'm done, i will never buy another bioware game...ever

I cannot risk them doing this to me again

The amount of wrong and self pity in this post is impressive. Hell, BALDUR'S GATE had romances, you could even get your LI pregnant in bg2! They were a common theme in rpgs since at least the early 90s in rpgs. The point of the game wasn't grow old with shepard. The point of the game was to secure a future for organic life. You did that. (or didn't) Shepard's role is done. Probably hundreds of billions of people died in the war. You created and played the greatest hero in the history of the galaxy. You will be venerated as a closely to a diety as any mortal ever has been. Sorry if the ending wasn't fairytale enough for you though.

[panamakira]

I don't know dude. I like ME3 but those endings are just really disappointing and depressing.

Every time a mission went well, you would get hopeful about really beating the Reapers, etc, saving the Galaxy, and then you get to the end of that awesome journey and you get this whole ridiculous situation that came out of nowhere. All the way from Shep's first mission in Eden Prime to going in the Citadel, the journey was one of my favorite in video games but then you play the last part of the game and you feel like Bioware let you down. Big time.

They destroyed the Mass Effect universe. What made it awesome. I don't know if I want to buy another Bioware game right now. I just know I won't be able to replay the series for a long time.

:/

[H3 Crimson]

Bioware has been rapidly going down the drain since ME1 and DA:O. EA is responsible for this, and it's quite obvious - I mean look at Dragon Age 2, and the things they introduced in ME3 like action mode, multiplayer, Day 1 DLC and then tell me EA isn't stifling Bioware by trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator and shafting Bioware's original fans.

I'd already intended for ME3 to be my last Bioware game after the insult that was DA2, and this game has only affirmed that decision. Huge parts of the story were terrible, still not an actual RPG like ME1, auto dialogue... Just not something I can enjoy anymore.

Modifié par H3 Crimson, 08 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[theenigma77]

I'll give them a chance to redeem themselves with DA3, but will NOT buy it on launch. Never again. You really ruined Mass Effect for so many people. The game was pretty great until you hardcore ****ed it up. Those endings are such bull**** I can not even begin to describe how much you hurt your fan base right now. Everyone wants a good ending, I don't care if it doesn't make as much sense, people want it. That or at least a ****ing explanation to what the hell happened to my friends that I've known for so many years. Not just LOLBANG! End. That's seriously all I felt. Complete garbage. I hope you guys really rethink some things. I mean at LEAST give us a Broken Steel approach please. Anything of the like would be so much better than what you gave us. Something to was this filth out of my mouth.

Modifié par theenigma77, 08 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[KillSlash45]

H3 Crimson wrote...

Bioware has been rapidly going down the drain since ME1 and DA:O. EA is responsible for this, and it's quite obvious - I mean look at Dragon Age 2, and the things they introduced in ME3 like action mode, multiplayer, Day 1 DLC and then tell me EA isn't stifling Bioware by trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator and shafting Bioware's original fans.

I'd already intended for ME3 to be my last Bioware game after the insult that was DA2, and this game has only affirmed that decision. Huge parts of the story were terrible, still not an actual RPG like ME1, auto dialogue... Just not something I can enjoy anymore.

I believe Bioware has said this was all their doing, not EA.They also have mostly the same writers as ME1.

Modifié par KillSlash45, 08 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[KainrycKarr]

KillSlash45 wrote...

H3 Crimson wrote...

Bioware has been rapidly going down the drain since ME1 and DA:O. EA is responsible for this, and it's quite obvious - I mean look at Dragon Age 2, and the things they introduced in ME3 like action mode, multiplayer, Day 1 DLC and then tell me EA isn't stifling Bioware by trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator and shafting Bioware's original fans.

I'd already intended for ME3 to be my last Bioware game after the insult that was DA2, and this game has only affirmed that decision. Huge parts of the story were terrible, still not an actual RPG like ME1, auto dialogue... Just not something I can enjoy anymore.

I believe Bioware has said this was all their doing, not EA.They also have the same writers as ME1.

1. Bioware said a lot of things.
2. Drew Karpyshyn was the main writer for ME1. He was not present for the last two games.

[KillSlash45]

KainrycKarr wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

H3 Crimson wrote...

Bioware has been rapidly going down the drain since ME1 and DA:O. EA is responsible for this, and it's quite obvious - I mean look at Dragon Age 2, and the things they introduced in ME3 like action mode, multiplayer, Day 1 DLC and then tell me EA isn't stifling Bioware by trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator and shafting Bioware's original fans.

I'd already intended for ME3 to be my last Bioware game after the insult that was DA2, and this game has only affirmed that decision. Huge parts of the story were terrible, still not an actual RPG like ME1, auto dialogue... Just not something I can enjoy anymore.

I believe Bioware has said this was all their doing, not EA.They also have the same writers as ME1.

1. Bioware said a lot of things.
2. Drew Karpyshyn was the main writer for ME1. He was not present for the last two games.

1. Your point?
2. I stand corrected and edited my original post

[Sarcastic]

KainrycKarr wrote...

1. Bioware said a lot of things.
2. Drew Karpyshyn was the main writer for ME1. He was not present for the last two games.

Yeah, but Mac was there for ME2 and it had a much better ending then ME3. Will I buy another Bioware game? Sure, will I do it before it releases? No.

[ticklefist]

My problem with the endings is that they require Shepard to give up his fight and just go "OK Reaper leader, I'll do what you say and pick one of these three." He doesn't triumph over the reapers. He sacrifices himself to them.

[tangalin]

Militarized wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

No, it can't continue with Shepherd  and his crew. that's  the point. Other games can take palce with a WHOLE NEW cast of characters at some point in the future when civilizations have advanced enough to re create the technology destroyed, or somewhere close to it.

The plan wasn't for the reapers to kill "everyone".....it was for them to only wipe  out ADVANCED civilizations that could soon create an AI that wipes out ALL organic  life, advanced and not advanced. So yeah, end endings DO make sense.

It begs more questions then it answers and it's obviously a quick "well, we can't be bothered to take the time to show how your actions leading up to this point effect an entire universe so.... LETS COPY DEUS EX, PEOPLE LIKE THAT RIGHT? 

If the Citadel is mommy reaper, why did it need the keepers to open it's self to the reaper invasion? Just flick the switch yourself. The crucible, obviously, was given to species by the Citadel as well... again no sense is made of this. Why does it even bother? 

It's a very poor attempt at a deep ending when they got too LAZY to decide how every action you ever made in a game where that was said to be all that matters and that's an understatement honestly. 

My understanding of the situation is that the Guardian is more of a fail safe than anything else. I don't think it controls the reapers directly, but more of a watcher that tells the reapers that the civilizations are close to the AI breaking point. I think having the Crucible is intended to guide a race along a set path, much like the relays did, in case something happens that would allow a race to know the reapers were coming and mount a significant defence. This is the first time the crucible has been used, by the guardians own words, and I think it is intended to bring the user to the guardian, so that the guardian would know the solution (reapers) are no longer sufficient, and a new solution can be devised.

As I said, just my understanding of the situation. Also, as far as people blaming Joker for the crash, he was trying to outrun a MASSIVE EXPLOSION and the Normandy just wasn't fast enough. He did the best anyone could have. If anything, the only reason anyone is left alive on the Normandy at all is because of his skill.