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#101
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I prepared for ME3 by doing a full playthrough of ME1 and ME2 (for the 4th time or so), planning every decision to have the perfect saved character.  I did all of the ME2 DLC, chose the romance path I wanted, everything.  I did as much as I possibly could do play through ME3 just right, and my god was I blown away and excited at all of the things I was doing to unite and save the galaxy (my personal favorite was allying the quarians and geth).  Hell, I even rearranged my work schedule so I could play through this game for two days straight with no distractions - I've never done that for a videogame before.  In that time I easily got over the 5,000 military mark required for the "best" endings, and I was so excited to hit the reapers where it hurt, learn what happened to all the races after the galaxy was saved, and retire to live out the rest of my days happily ever after with Tali.

After all of that effort and emotional investment, the ending(s) just felt like a huge punch to the gut.  I feel so... betrayed.  It almost seems like the most epic troll in gaming history.  It's like when the crucible docked, they might as well have played a cinematic Rick Astley rickroll.  I know I shouldn't be this upset over a videogame, but dammit, I am.

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KillSlash45 wrote...
The plan wasn't for the reapers to kill "everyone".....it was for them to only wipe  out ADVANCED civilizations that could soon create an AI that wipes out ALL organic  life, advanced and not advanced. So yeah, end endings DO make sense.

Things that make more sense then the explaination in the ending:
Reapers guide new synthetic life down a path of nonviolence.
Reapers guide organics away from creating synthetics.
Reapers dont leave advanced tech around that leads to organics creating synthetics.
Reapers learn from the optimal solution to the Quarian-Geth war and STFU because their premise is disproven.
Reapers are actually unicorns being riden by leprechauns powered by space hamsters running on exercise wheels.

The ending is idiotic and nonsensical.  End of story.

The entire idea of the Reapers is a direct rip from Babyolon 5, the only difference is Babylon 5 made some small attempt at logic and reason during its resolution.

Modifié par Warkyd, 08 mars 2012 - 01:13 .


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Indeed. BioWare just decided to say "**** it" in the last 5 minutes of the game.

Even if this somehow makes sense there is still zero closure for the ending... this is terrible for a game that was all about choices.

If the ending has some deep philosophical **** behind it please inform us, because it seems like the overwhelming majority of the fans don't get it. This is such a catastrophic failure...

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I kind off like biowares games, and the ending COULD have worked if this was one game and not a trilogy but now it just feels like I have wasted time and energy for 5 years. I was looking forward to replay all the games and making all the "right" desicions but now.... I dont want to even touch the other games because it all just feels so ***** meningless

Modifié par SCJ90, 08 mars 2012 - 01:50 .


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if sheperd died in a meaningful way id probably not be as upset but he didnt wtf is the point of building an army to defeat reapers if none of it matters with the 3 choises given all which end with mass relays destroyed and shep dien answer NONE i loved the the mass effect series and i even like da2 but after what bw did with mass effect 3 i dont see myself getting another game by them again unless they fix the ending on me3 5yrs down the tube for that last 15min crapfest

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AuraofMana wrote...

Indeed. BioWare just decided to say "**** it" in the last 5 minutes of the game.

Even if this somehow makes sense there is still zero closure for the ending... this is terrible for a game that was all about choices.

If the ending has some deep philosophical **** behind it please inform us, because it seems like the overwhelming majority of the fans don't get it. This is such a catastrophic failure...


I don't think its that we don't get the philosophical 'stuff'.  It's just heavy handed, out of left field, unnecessary, and shoved down our throats so to speak.  Beyond that, I found that none of the endings were 'good' outcomes, only varying degrees of bleak and depressing.  Shepard dies (or disembodied if you prefer) in two of them.  Galactic civlization is fractured forever (or at least a very long time) because of the loss of the citadel and the mass relay network. 
I think the closure aspect is because you've invested all this time in the universe, set it up and all that, and then it appears as if it was set up for nothing but to stop the reapers.  For me, I think the part I wish was different the most is that Shepard is alive and also gets away and is with with his/her crew and LI, everything else withstanding.

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After ruining Dragon Age 2 with that horrible "ending," I figured they had learned their lesson and would ensure the same thing wouldn't happen with Mass Effect 3. I was wrong - DA2 was just a prelude to the colossal failure that is ME3's ending.

I absolutely refuse to purchase anything from Bioware until they fix this. And I promise you that until I see them fix their story-writing, I will never pre-order another game from Bioware. Add to it that if they ever bring out another trilogy, I'm not going to purchase a single game in it that trilogy until the last one comes out and I see some good reviews on the ending.

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I'm not buying any more Bioware games unless they fix the ending to ME3. And, I'm not buying any DLC for ME3 unless it fixes the ending.

Such a good game - I was enjoying myself so much I only slept like 5 hours over the last couple days - and then to cap it off with the Reapers ultimately controlling the outcome anyway.

You know, you who decided to write the endings, an ending can be meaningful without being totally bleak and depressing. It is possible, you know.

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I'm really torn right now. I loved a lot of earlier Bioware titles and more recently Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age Origins (including Awakening).

BUT after being horribly disappointed by DA2 which was not a sequel to do DA:O in my mind. And then with ME3 where I was having an amazing game experience right up until the end where I was just left depressed (first time a game has done that so congrats bioware - I enjoy my escape from the real world to end up depressed).

I am certainly not pre-ordering a collectors edition and psyching myself up for months after the last 2 disappointments. I will probably buy later when I have properly investigated the games and will buy them at a discount down stream.

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There's only two ways I'll spend more money on one of their games.

1. They fix the ending of ME3

2. Their next game is so god that the only way it could be better is if it gave me a lapdance.

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Landline wrote...

There's only two ways I'll spend more money on one of their games.

1. They fix the ending of ME3

2. Their next game is so god that the only way it could be better is if it gave me a lapdance.


I wouldn't bet on option 2, so hopefully they do option 1.

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I do not mind Shep dying. There is some logic to that. The problem is that with great writing having been the hallmark of the ME series the ending is a complete hack job. Very badly done. Since we know they can do a great job I am left feeling the only logical explanation is they are intentionally spitting in my face and telling me they do not give a damn about me as a customer. Shame on you Bioware, shame.

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I don't buy Bioware games for their storytelling, to be honest. I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. The characters are still fun, the dialogues are good, and the gameplay is enjoyable.

I just want Bioware to improve and not do this again.

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It only took one guy (whoever it was) to write that horrible ending; I'm not going to judge an entire company over that.

That being said, I'm going to be more cautious, and am certainly not buying any ME3 DLC unless they fix the endings.

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Well as long as five percent of the fanbase loves the endings there's nothing to worry about right? Unless I hear their next game is Elder Mass Scroll Effect, no I will not be buying their games.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

I'm not buying any more Bioware games unless they fix the ending to ME3. And, I'm not buying any DLC for ME3 unless it fixes the ending.

Such a good game - I was enjoying myself so much I only slept like 5 hours over the last couple days - and then to cap it off with the Reapers ultimately controlling the outcome anyway.

You know, you who decided to write the endings, an ending can be meaningful without being totally bleak and depressing. It is possible, you know.


That's a good point too actually.  I would have, as shepard, damed the gods (lol singular and literally in this case) and found a way to end the cycle that didn't involve cutting off galactic civilization's limbs.  The options are basically as if the reapers had won anyway.  Civilization is 'reset' to some dark-age era or an even more primitive state if you choose the destroy ending.

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Short of Baldurs gate 3, I think I am done.

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Honestly I do think the ending was poorly done: no real difference in the choices, a kid version of the Matrix's Architect running the show, Joker deciding to just run off, the squad somehow teleporting onto the Normandy, etc.

In truth, after you take out the Illusive Man, they could have just had a scene of the Crucible docking with the Citadel and releasing a pulse that Sovereign'd all the Reapers (i.e. knocked their shields out and stunned them), allowing the fleets to massacre them. Also, delete the Kid Architect, he invalidates Sovereign's purpose and Mass Effect 1.

For me, Harbinger killed Shepard right before he reached the beam.

Modifié par Xerxes52, 08 mars 2012 - 06:42 .


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Vajraja wrote...

I'm really torn right now. I loved a lot of earlier Bioware titles and more recently Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age Origins (including Awakening).

BUT after being horribly disappointed by DA2 which was not a sequel to do DA:O in my mind. And then with ME3 where I was having an amazing game experience right up until the end where I was just left depressed (first time a game has done that so congrats bioware - I enjoy my escape from the real world to end up depressed).

I am certainly not pre-ordering a collectors edition and psyching myself up for months after the last 2 disappointments. I will probably buy later when I have properly investigated the games and will buy them at a discount down stream.


Yeah, about the depressed thing.  I was depressed way before the ending, because everyone's saying goodbye to you as if you were dying for sure.  They weren't 'goodbye, just in case' goodbyes.

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I am buying all the games.

#121
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well after dragon fail 2, and this crap ending. No.

But i keep my hopes for some ME3 DLC ending. If not, well it's the end of the road for me.

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Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

It only took one guy (whoever it was) to write that horrible ending; I'm not going to judge an entire company over that.

Yeah, but it took the company to OK it.

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HaiknEdge wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

It only took one guy (whoever it was) to write that horrible ending; I'm not going to judge an entire company over that.

Yeah, but it took the company to OK it.


That's absolutely right. The company had to okay it, so they are in the wrong here too.

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I think It would be stupid not to buy future bioware games based on these 5 minutes at the end of not one but 3 mastercrafted games.
ME1 blew me over ways and back and I spent close to 100 hours into it.
ME2 blew me over in also many ways, differently but many ways still, and I also spent close to 100 hours into it.
ME3 blew me over ONCE AGAIN in so many ways, again, differently, but still blew me over and I'll probably get my 100 hours as well in there and hundreds more in multiplayer.

After DA2, I lost faith in Bioware kinda because that game was a real turn down for me. The only Bioware game ever where I ONLY pushed on because I hoped it'd get better..and it only got worst. The ONLY Bioware game where once I played once, I erased it, saves included.

With ME3...I see that Bioware is changing..adapting. It's trying to fit in a modern console gaming world while also trying to hang to it's roots. It's not perfect as previous games like Baldur's gate or DA:O, and I HATE console gaming but...

...so yea, the endings SUCKED, that's so unexcusable that words can't really express it, but not buying future BIOWARE games? Are you kidding me?

There is NO company in the world other than Bioware currently that pulls me into their games as they do. ALL other RPGs are barely above average, with Bethesda being a bit above the pack, but still WAY below Bioware.

So yes, I voice my anger about the endings here, with you guys.
But I also voice my support to Bioware. Keep making great games, but NEVER again screw up the ending that badly please :)

Modifié par Kemor, 08 mars 2012 - 09:32 .