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[NoDebate2]

Headcannon is like going to bed alone every night. It only works for so long. I'm glad you've found solace in the ME3 finale. However, is it a crime for people to ask for closure on a five year series?

[Bionic Weapon]

Bka27 wrote...

How can I make up the rest of the story after seeing Garrus and EDI step off the Normandy despite having Garrus in my squad and choosing to destroy synthetics. The only way I see this making sense is that Garrus grabbed a thorax missle flew with it to the shuttle, then rode the shuttle back to the Normandy at which point Garrus, EDI, and Joker got sucked into an alternate dimension which remains unaffected from the crucible.

Ok I must be tired or just dumb:lol: but you choose destroy syntheics and EDI lived or is this just how you ended it on your terms?

[RiouHotaru]

Militarized wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No, it's not.

Shepard succeeded at his/her driving goal: Stopping the Reapers

What happened after that (assuming you got the ending where Shepard lives!) doesn't need to be spelled out.

Yes I'm afraid it does, the whole point of the series was that your choices mattered... which means you need to show at the end HOW YOUR CHOICES MATTERED *facepalm*. The endings we got make the entirety of ME1 and ME2 null/void, useless and their replayability also null and void because NONE OF IT MATTERS. Pretending to be deep and philosophical does not make it so. They should have stayed in "reality" and based what happened off of what you did/war assessets. 

Why?  You played the game, you know what happened based on the decisions you made.

Except that ME1 and 2 didn't do that either.  They didn't show any of your choices mattering, with the exception of the final decision at the end of the game.

Also, do you need an epilogue to tell you what you already knew?  This isn't DA:O where chunks of the plot are left ambiguous before the ending.

Did you broker peace between the quarians and the geth?

Are the Rachni extinct or not?

Did you cure the genophage?

You get those questions answered before you get to the end.  You don't need an epilogue to tell you what you already know.

[RiouHotaru]

NoDebate2 wrote...

Headcannon is like going to bed alone every night. It only works for so long. I'm glad you've found solace in the ME3 finale. However, is it a crime for people to ask for closure on a five year series?

I consider what I got to be closure.  I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion.  But I think what I got was good enough for me.  The point of this thread is for other people who think like me.  All the ending-haters get threads left and right, what about us folks who actually like how it all came together and resolved?

[Shinannigan]

I didn't mind the endings. I was just a bit disappointed that the differences between the three end sequences are minimal, until I found out that there are in fact major differences depending on your Galactic readiness, with Earth either surviving (as it did with me), being devastated or being destroyed... and with possibly even Shep surviving.

So that's okay.

What I am more disappointed in is that you couldn't make full use of your team as with teh ME2 ending... and with only 7 Squadmates that would have been easily possible: assigning a Sniper to provide covering fire from inside one of the buildings, assigning a tech to deal with the Thanix missiles, assigning a team leader to lead the rest around the flank, assigning a biotic to build up a barrier to protect the missiles... ME2's ending mechanics were just too great: ME3's final mission was good enough, but couldn't hold a candle to the ME2 end... Sweet that the Conduit run made a return though.

[Militarized]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Militarized wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No, it's not.

Shepard succeeded at his/her driving goal: Stopping the Reapers

What happened after that (assuming you got the ending where Shepard lives!) doesn't need to be spelled out.

Yes I'm afraid it does, the whole point of the series was that your choices mattered... which means you need to show at the end HOW YOUR CHOICES MATTERED *facepalm*. The endings we got make the entirety of ME1 and ME2 null/void, useless and their replayability also null and void because NONE OF IT MATTERS. Pretending to be deep and philosophical does not make it so. They should have stayed in "reality" and based what happened off of what you did/war assessets. 

Why?  You played the game, you know what happened based on the decisions you made.

Except that ME1 and 2 didn't do that either.  They didn't show any of your choices mattering, with the exception of the final decision at the end of the game.

Also, do you need an epilogue to tell you what you already knew?  This isn't DA:O where chunks of the plot are left ambiguous before the ending.

Did you broker peace between the quarians and the geth?

Are the Rachni extinct or not?

Did you cure the genophage?

You get those questions answered before you get to the end.  You don't need an epilogue to tell you what you already know.

ME1 was the first, laying the groundwork but your choices did matter and into Mass Effect 2 you see how it shapes the galaxy... the RESULTS like the Turians not trusting humans if you let the Council die. You also have a choices in ME2 that effect your squad mates lives, from loyalty missions to picking who is best for what and then you get the ultimate choice at the end which seems to also have no bearing on the game. They throw it all out the window with this ending. 

Does the peace brokered last? 

Do the Rachni find a place in the galaxy? 

Do the Krogan seek revenge after the genophage is cured? 

Was enough of humanity left to survive? The Turians/Asari? Or did you not have enough assessets or people left to further your species? 

You are simply making another choice but never get to see the true end result of those choices. So yes, an epilogue would be nice. That's ignoring the plot hole ridden, platitude, failed logic and mysticism of the Catalyst that opens up even more questions then it solves. (let alone the fact it took any epicness of the human struggle out of the entire series)

Also don't even get me started on your LI being Jack or Miranda and them being relegated to a small side quest where their character development is thrown out the window with no proper inclusion of them. 

[RiouHotaru]

Militarized wrote...
ME1 was the first, laying the groundwork but your choices did matter and into Mass Effect 2 you see how it shapes the galaxy... the RESULTS like the Turians not trusting humans if you let the Council die. You also have a choices in ME2 that effect your squad mates lives, from loyalty missions to picking who is best for what and then you get the ultimate choice at the end which seems to also have no bearing on the game. They throw it all out the window with this ending. 

Does the peace brokered last? 

Do the Rachni find a place in the galaxy? 

Do the Krogan seek revenge after the genophage is cured? 

Was enough of humanity left to survive? The Turians/Asari? Or did you not have enough assessets or people left to further your species? 

You are simply making another choice but never get to see the true end result of those choices. So yes, an epilogue would be nice. That's ignoring the plot hole ridden, platitude, failed logic and mysticism of the Catalyst that opens up even more questions then it solves. (let alone the fact it took any epicness of the human struggle out of the entire series)

Also don't even get me started on your LI being Jack or Miranda and them being relegated to a small side quest where their character development is thrown out the window with no proper inclusion of them. 

Those are good questions.  I'm sure they'll be answered.  After all, we were told to hold onto our ME3 saves.

[IanPolaris]

Since when are we being asked to hang on to our ME3 saves. By destroying the relays, Bioware has essentially destroyed the Mass Effect universe. The canon makes that very clear from the beginning.

-Polaris

[LordHelfort]

Curiously for people who liked the endings, would you favor or oppose an epilogue expanding our understand of what happens after Shepard's decision?

[RiouHotaru]

IanPolaris wrote...

Since when are we being asked to hang on to our ME3 saves. By destroying the relays, Bioware has essentially destroyed the Mass Effect universe. The canon makes that very clear from the beginning.

-Polaris

You should check the news then.  Do a google search.  There's a few articles where devs say it's a good idea to hold onto your ME3 saves.

[RiouHotaru]

LordHelfort wrote...

Curiously for people who liked the endings, would you favor or oppose an epilogue expanding our understand of what happens after Shepard's decision?

No, I wouldn't mind it.

But it won't ruin me if they don't either.

[IanPolaris]

RiouHotaru wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Since when are we being asked to hang on to our ME3 saves. By destroying the relays, Bioware has essentially destroyed the Mass Effect universe. The canon makes that very clear from the beginning.

-Polaris

You should check the news then.  Do a google search.  There's a few articles where devs say it's a good idea to hold onto your ME3 saves.

Why don't you answer my question?  Since destroying the relay effectively ends the Mass Effect universe (confirmed by canon from the start) and the Devs have repeatedly said that this would be the end of the trilogy, I'd like to know where you are getting for info.

-Polaris

[LordHelfort]

RiouHotaru wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Since when are we being asked to hang on to our ME3 saves. By destroying the relays, Bioware has essentially destroyed the Mass Effect universe. The canon makes that very clear from the beginning.

-Polaris

You should check the news then.  Do a google search.  There's a few articles where devs say it's a good idea to hold onto your ME3 saves.

I don't see why we should. That way they know which color the Universe should be, Red, Blue or Green? That seems more like a teaser to get people interested in the next one more then anything else. Ultimately everyone's ending is the same in that the Universe is trainwrecked and will require centuries before proper FTL is developed.

[LordHelfort]

IanPolaris wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Since when are we being asked to hang on to our ME3 saves. By destroying the relays, Bioware has essentially destroyed the Mass Effect universe. The canon makes that very clear from the beginning.

-Polaris

You should check the news then.  Do a google search.  There's a few articles where devs say it's a good idea to hold onto your ME3 saves.

Why don't you answer my question?  Since destroying the relay effectively ends the Mass Effect universe (confirmed by canon from the start) and the Devs have repeatedly said that this would be the end of the trilogy, I'd like to know where you are getting for info.

-Polaris

It was in a developer interview where he hinted they should, but I concur, it seems...pointless.

[RiouHotaru]

IanPolaris wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Since when are we being asked to hang on to our ME3 saves. By destroying the relays, Bioware has essentially destroyed the Mass Effect universe. The canon makes that very clear from the beginning.

-Polaris

You should check the news then.  Do a google search.  There's a few articles where devs say it's a good idea to hold onto your ME3 saves.

Why don't you answer my question?  Since destroying the relay effectively ends the Mass Effect universe (confirmed by canon from the start) and the Devs have repeatedly said that this would be the end of the trilogy, I'd like to know where you are getting for info.

-Polaris

http://www.joystiq.c...oware-suggests/ 

I don't see why you could look for the article yourself, but there it is.

[RiouHotaru]

LordHelfort wrote...

I don't see why we should. That way they know which color the Universe should be, Red, Blue or Green? That seems more like a teaser to get people interested in the next one more then anything else. Ultimately everyone's ending is the same in that the Universe is trainwrecked and will require centuries before proper FTL is developed.

Centuries?  I don't think so...admittedly, all I have is speculation, but there a few things that lead me to believe galactic civilization isn't as screwed as you or Polaris might think.

But again, it's just speculation based on things said in-game so I won't bother you with it unless you really want to hear.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 08 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[IanPolaris]

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Modifié par IanPolaris, 08 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[IanPolaris]

RiouHotaru wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Since when are we being asked to hang on to our ME3 saves. By destroying the relays, Bioware has essentially destroyed the Mass Effect universe. The canon makes that very clear from the beginning.

-Polaris

You should check the news then.  Do a google search.  There's a few articles where devs say it's a good idea to hold onto your ME3 saves.

That says a lot less than you are implying.  The implication is that you should keep the saves so you can do future DLC but we already know that any DLC will happen between the destruction of Cerberus and the final Battle for Earth at the latest.

-Polaris
Why don't you answer my question?  Since destroying the relay effectively ends the Mass Effect universe (confirmed by canon from the start) and the Devs have repeatedly said that this would be the end of the trilogy, I'd like to know where you are getting for info.

-Polaris

http://www.joystiq.c...oware-suggests/ 

I don't see why you could look for the article yourself, but there it is.

That is saying a lot less than you are implying.  The article seems to strongly suggest that you should keep them for future DLC, but we already know that such DLC will happen between the destruction of Cerberus and the final battle for earth at the latest.

-Polaris

[RiouHotaru]

Possibly. But I think there's room for a continuation, but like I told Helfort, all I have is speculation. And rather than jump to a hasty conclusion, I'd prefer to just stew on what I know and wait.

[LordHelfort]

Well my premise is based on the old guy with the kid scene, where it sounds like space travel is either gone to some degree, or enormously hampered.

Given the loss of the relays, the sparseness of fuel depots (and yes, there are alot of unanswered questions about travel issues) it seems like there is alot of work to do.

I'm not saying that civilization is screwed, thought it may seem like that. It's simply the Galactic Dark Ages, akin to when the Roman Empire collapsed. Planets are isolated, intergalactic travel enormously difficult etc. Most of the belief in a galactic collapse comes from the implication, by the Grandad (or pedophile, the way he says the words 'My Sweet' worried me) that space travel was A) Out of Reach and That they had no idea what was out there, implying communication is nil.

Given how built around Mass Relays and such technology is, it's a lot like starting from scratch.

[WizenSlinky0]

It is not acceptable to replace actual valuable game content with user assumptions especially without giving sufficient evidence of implications.

I'm glad you've come to terms with the ending. But the ability to headcanon it the way we want is mutually exclusive of the actual content and satisfaction of the ending.

[Naramar]

I thought the ending worked for me, it wrapped up Shepard's story. Choosing the paragon option, but god damn did it make me cry, first Wrex dies.. then Liara and Garrus at the hands of Harbinger, then Anderson by Shep's side. Tear jerker deluxe.

[LordHelfort]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

It is not acceptable to replace actual valuable game content with user assumptions especially without giving sufficient evidence of implications.

I'm glad you've come to terms with the ending. But the ability to headcanon it the way we want is mutually exclusive of the actual content and satisfaction of the ending.

This is perhaps the best summary and response to those who feel that many complaining about the Ending are acting entitled. To quote someone else "If I have to do all the work, what am I paying for?"

[IanPolaris]

Naramar wrote...

I thought the ending worked for me, it wrapped up Shepard's story. Choosing the paragon option, but god damn did it make me cry, first Wrex dies.. then Liara and Garrus at the hands of Harbinger, then Anderson by Shep's side. Tear jerker deluxe.

Except they don't (at least Liara and Garrus don't).  They are magically teleparted by Harbinger's space-magic lasers onto the Normandy which is somehow retreating through the relay instead of helping the fleet.

That's amazing space-magic.

-Polaris