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[Militarized]

Parrk wrote...


Lastly, the crucible/citidel itself says that the cycle began when it was realized that organics always rebel against their creators when allowed to develop along known paths independently. I took this to mean that hte crucible and by extension the reapers are ordained agents of the sentient originator. This is further illustrated by his statement that assimilation will render the cycle no longer necessary.

Free will tempered with the unity created by the advent of a singular new hybrid life form and an unnatural understanding of how emotions-based-selfishness ultimately contributes to the the suffering of all; This is a mutually-beneficial exchange.

He was actually saying, from what I heard, that the synthetics were the ones who would rebel against their creators. Maybe that was my anti-theist perspective, but I thought it made more sense. He's saving them from the destruction they'd reap on themselves.... all in all I think the whole thing is retarded though. Worst. Ending. Ever. 

[Evil_medved]

Kiyosuki wrote...

Edt: I never thought about the idea of the relays being rebuilt by the controlled reapers....

They claim to be builders of relays and citadel.

They can rebuild all galactic infrastructure in no time, and a lot more. They are not only biggest guns in the universe we know, they are oldest, smartes and most advanced it beings. We can just blow them up, we need them!

[Parrk]

We tend to assume that the shep-controller will act in the manner that we ourselves would prefer in perpetuity, and that he will enjoy power superiority for a very long time enabling him to play guardian angel for the entirety of life for a very long time.

I suggest that what TIM did with the very limited reaper tech he was able to get on as little as three years disproves Shepertuity quite handily. The Sheapers are a crutch which offers only a very limited security before reverting to a level of chaos far beyond what existed before.

How many species would have existed during Shepards time had those warmongering organic species fought wars with reaper tech? Probably 1.

The control option actually offers less control than any other in that it ensures that societies who are nowhere near mature enough to have developed reaper tech will have access to it. There is nothing in ours or Shepard-world's history to suggest than anyone would do anything other than trigger an arms race culminating in the destruction of all.

The basis of my understanding of the situation is that all synthetic and organic life (except the reapers themselves) would no longer exist if not for the efforts of a united resistance that only succeeded because one synthetic and one organic made it so,

How close must one come to total annihilation before coming to the understanding that there must be sweeping change in order to prevent near-end from becoming a frequent threat?

Synthetics want only to be alive and to be accepted as equals of other life forms. There exists no example in the lore of an organics turning down synthetic upgrades when offered (maybe one or two). The two are closer than we may realize.

So maybe we have to form some support groups for a pandemic of Adam Jensen Syndrome, but at least we can do it without having to worry about hundreds of new cerberus (cerberai?)rising to challenge shep's little armada of no-longer-superior warships.

[vivanto]

Parrk wrote...
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That's a long way to say synthesis removes stupid. 

[Parrk]

vivanto wrote...

Parrk wrote...
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That's a long way to say synthesis removes stupid. 

Now who wouldn't want that?

Imagine how much more joy there would be in the world if these endings had been written by such entities...

[Aesieru]

Control is actually the worst ending, since you're falling into The Illusive Man's plot, it also doesn't fix anything or deal with the Tech Singularity. Synthesis or destroy (optimal) is probably more likely, but EDI and Geth with reaper tech die.

That being said, it's the only one where the Citadel survives.

Also it seems none of you understand Paragon / Renegade even after 3 games.

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Renegade: Survival whatever the cost, getting the job done.

Paragon: Diplomacy, negotiations, trying to work together but necessary sacrifice.

None is evil none is good.

Human Dominance really only occurred through racist remarkers, Terra Firma, and choosing to "let the council die" as opposed to "focus on Sovereign".

Sigh...

Modifié par Aesieru, 08 mars 2012 - 05:37 .

[Evil_medved]

Parrk wrote...
So maybe we have to form some support groups for a pandemic of Adam Jensen Syndrome, but at least we can do it without having to worry about hundreds of new cerberus (cerberai?)rising to challenge shep's little armada of no-longer-superior warships.

Yeah, your easy-to-crack-reaper theory has one major flaw - all what cerberus did and tech they get was secretly given them by reapers with ultimative goal to split humanity. And they succeeded. Shepard pretty much failed, and could change universe only because of some twisted catalyst (scriptwriter:?) logics.

Sovereign hid among organics for 50000 years with no problems. Free roaming fully aware Reaper can scan extranet and any other networks, it can use limited indoctrination, it can not be fooled,  and i bet it can sniff its own stolen tech systems away and then bomb crap out of thiefs, especially when every species will be forced to cooperate. It'll take irong grip but peace can be kept.

Aesieru wrote...

Control is actually the worst ending,
since you're falling into The Illusive Man's plot, it also doesn't fix
anything or deal with the Tech Singularity. Synthesis or destroy
(optimal) is probably more likely, but EDI and Geth with reaper tech
die.

That being said, it's the only one where the Citadel survives.

Also it seems none of you understand Paragon / Renegade even after 3 games.

---

Renegade: Survival whatever the cost, getting the job done.

Paragon: Diplomacy, negotiations, trying to work together but necessary sacrifice.

None is evil none is good.

Human
Dominance really only occurred through racist remarkers, Terra Firma,
and choosing to "let the council die" as opposed to "focus on
Sovereign".

Sigh...

Thats exactly the point of controlled Reapers. Organics and syntetics will be kept in check, no unnececary genocides. This is what Reapers like so much, right? Order above chaos. They need be made a bit softier. A bit.

Sure aint our favorite works-so-well citadel "democracy", but that will work like a charm.

[Aesieru]

Do you even realize you don't actually control the Reapers? All you do is send them in Dark Space to be called again. That's all.

The "control" was more like an abort code rather than a remote controller. Nobody seems to realize that until they actually understand the plot and what it's looking at. The Guardian is also a bit too... vague / blunt with his answers despite the lore countering his statements with more logical ones.

The Reapers weren't slaves, they agreed withw hat was going on, whether by the process of being one or the programs filling their cores. Whatever the reason, the Guardian simply made certain that they fulfilled their primary protocol, they had individual basis, and capabilities though and each was their own nation.

Modifié par Aesieru, 08 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[Evil_medved]

Arcian wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"Red" ending end up in thousands of dark years for all races.

Cool assumptions, bro.

Wow, no ****, because all endings so clear and disclosed, leaving no place for assumptions or wild imagination.

[Aesieru]

Evil_medved wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"Red" ending end up in thousands of dark years for all races.

Cool assumptions, bro.

Wow, no ****, because all endings so clear and disclosed, leaving no place for assumptions or wild imagination.

Actually, if you understand the lore, codex, and plot... they are pretty straight forward, little imagination is available unless you ignored something.

[Evil_medved]

Aesieru wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"Red" ending end up in thousands of dark years for all races.

Cool assumptions, bro.

Wow, no ****, because all endings so clear and disclosed, leaving no place for assumptions or wild imagination.

Actually, if you understand the lore, codex, and plot... they are pretty straight forward, little imagination is available unless you ignored something.

Because codex totally mentions galactic-wide synthetic-organic synergy, total mass-relay system annahilation and reapers being controlled by god-childs.

[Aesieru]

Evil_medved wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"Red" ending end up in thousands of dark years for all races.

Cool assumptions, bro.

Wow, no ****, because all endings so clear and disclosed, leaving no place for assumptions or wild imagination.

Actually, if you understand the lore, codex, and plot... they are pretty straight forward, little imagination is available unless you ignored something.

Because codex totally mentions galactic-wide synthetic-organic synergy, total mass-relay system annahilation and reapers being controlled by god-childs.

You misunderstood most of the lore then based on your answers.

But yes if you understand it, it actually does.

[Evil_medved]

Aesieru wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"Red" ending end up in thousands of dark years for all races.

Cool assumptions, bro.

Wow, no ****, because all endings so clear and disclosed, leaving no place for assumptions or wild imagination.

Actually, if you understand the lore, codex, and plot... they are pretty straight forward, little imagination is available unless you ignored something.

Because codex totally mentions galactic-wide synthetic-organic synergy, total mass-relay system annahilation and reapers being controlled by god-childs.

You misunderstood most of the lore then based on your answers.

But yes if you understand it, it actually does.

Whatever ya say buddy.

[OriginalTibs]

Parrk wrote...

vivanto wrote...

Parrk wrote...
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That's a long way to say synthesis removes stupid. 

Now who wouldn't want that?

Imagine how much more joy there would be in the world if these endings had been written by such entities...

Well, the most constructive relationships between thesis and antithesis will involve synthesis.

Modifié par OriginalTibs, 08 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[KadianK]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

There will not be any canon because BioWare will make what happen in ME1/2/3 irrelevant and a myth in ME4/5/6 when Commander Verner will need to fight againts the deadly Skynet unleash upon the galaxy thousand of years later by evil people.

What are you on about? Commander Verner... o.O

[Jadebaby]

LordHelfort wrote...

I think the actual canon ending is entirely irrelevant, the next ME will be so far forward they'll all just be legends anyways.

That being said, it'll be the Killing the Reapers one. Most people will likely be too attached to Shep to want him to die. Just my 2 cents though.

Not just this, but the whole premise for the first 2 games was to kill the reapers. Destroy can be paragon, Control can be Renegade and synthesize can GTFO.

Hey.. I just realised why BSN had this  now....    

[count_4]

Every ending is cannon. They all blew me away...

[Avissel]

I still just find it odd that the entire reaper fleet "Each one a nation", all of them sentient....can be controlled by the mind of one human.

[Ieldra]

KrakenGreyjoy wrote...
I can get on board with that. I'm fine with Shep dying or "assimilating" but I'm not cool with the relays destruction.

Yep.

I don't think there will be an official canon though. Future games/books etc. will probably play far in the future when the relays or their remains are a relic of the past and no longer needed for FTL travel. That way it's possible to incorporate all major outcomes.

[Ieldra]

Avissel wrote...
I still just find it odd that the entire reaper fleet "Each one a nation", all of them sentient....can be controlled by the mind of one human.

You mean odder than this superweapon that can destroy all Reapers in the galaxy even if they're not near a relay. Plus synthetics everywhere? Or odder than the idea that an energy beam can rewrite life in the galaxy at a fundamental level?