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[Eatdamuffin]

 1) Was the Illusive man always indoctrinated? Or just after he integrated Repear tech into himself?

2) Why were his eyes robotic looking in the first place?

3) How did he start Cerberus and where did he get the funds?

4) Why did Udina betray the council?

5) Why does Kai Leng hate Shepard so much?

6) When do the Quarians fix their sun? Why was their sun speeding up in aging in the first place?

Modifié par Eatdamuffin, 08 mars 2012 - 01:57 .

[IanPolaris]

Eatdamuffin wrote...

 1) Was the Illusive man always indoctrinated? Or just after he integrated Repear tech into himself?2) Why were his eyes robotic looking in the first place?3) How did he start Cerberus and where did he get the funds?4) Why did Udina betray the council?5) Why does Kai Leng hate Shepard so much?6) When do the Quarians fix their sun? Why was their sun speeding up in aging in the first place?

Was the illusive man always indoctrinated?  No, I don't think so although he was always  rat bastard.  As I understand it he learned about the reapers very soon after first contact and dedicated his life and fortune to finding a solution....and he almost pulled it off.  I think he was a human version of Saren really and was well aware of the dangers of indoctrination but ultimate took one risk too many and in the end get just a little too exposed to reaper tech insuring his failure (as the catalyst explains in the end). 

As for 2) I can't answer that except that I think that TIM always had synthetic implants if not fully Reaper Tech ones.

3)  I think that's covered in the various novels, but TIM used to be very, very high up in Alliance politics and in the military.  I remember that much.

4) Udina was a lifelong politician and like most politicans he was in bed with his special interests, the most important of which turned out to be Cerberus.  I also think in the end that Udina too was indoctrinated.

5) Why does Kai Leng hate Shep?  Kai Leng was dishonourably discharged from N7 and Shep is N7's poster child.  Why do two Alpha wolves 'hate' each other?

6) I didn't think that Rannoch's star was aging too fast.  Did I miss something?

-Polaris

[dethduck]

The Illusive Man was partially indoctrinated at the end of the First Contact War some 30 odd years prior during events that take place in the Dark Horse comics series "Mass Effect: Evolution" after which he then founded Cerberus.

https://digital.dark...ffect evolution

http://masseffect.wi...rper#Background

[Phydeaux314]

1. Only after introducing the tech, I believe, although that's hard to tell.
2. "My vision is augmented." More seriously, cybernetic replacements for failed parts isn't exactly rare in the ME universe. He could have lost his eyes in an accident or fight, or he could have just wanted advantages.
3. That's covered in ME2 after unshackling EDI. Cerberus has a lot of legitimate businesses that it runs to help provide funding, as well as getting donations from pro-human benefactors. It originally started after the first contact war as a radical xenophobic and human-superiority group, but changed quite a bit.
4. The only explanation I have is the in-game one, which is where Udina would have used the Cerberus invasion to justify making the council grant him extra power, which he would use to send ships to Earth to defend it.
5. Kai Leng hates everybody.
6. It wasn't their sun that was having trouble, it was Haestrom, and that plot thread was dropped like a hot potato.

[Eatdamuffin]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

1. Only after introducing the tech, I believe, although that's hard to tell.
2. "My vision is augmented." More seriously, cybernetic replacements for failed parts isn't exactly rare in the ME universe. He could have lost his eyes in an accident or fight, or he could have just wanted advantages.
3. That's covered in ME2 after unshackling EDI. Cerberus has a lot of legitimate businesses that it runs to help provide funding, as well as getting donations from pro-human benefactors. It originally started after the first contact war as a radical xenophobic and human-superiority group, but changed quite a bit.
4. The only explanation I have is the in-game one, which is where Udina would have used the Cerberus invasion to justify making the council grant him extra power, which he would use to send ships to Earth to defend it.
5. Kai Leng hates everybody.
6. It wasn't their sun that was having trouble, it was Haestrom, and that plot thread was dropped like a hot potato.

Ah that's right it was a colony. I didn't remember that. Thank you.

[Muezick]

Pisses me off about haestrom being dropped

hoping for a DLC with that one.

I read some where that some guy read an early pre-approved script where one ending was *Spoilers* the reapers are good guys trying to save the universe from dark energy and a yet to be named other true antagonist.

was honestly expecting something like this even before i read what that guy said he read and was blown away by what i actually got.

Modifié par Muezick, 08 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[WizenSlinky0]

I'd say The Illusive Man was always partially indoctrinated but not enough to lose his ability to go against the reapers. I'd have a hard time believing everything he did prior to ME3 was beneficial to them. I think enough of it was done to change his mind-set significantly and eventually leads to him making a bad call to introduce reaper tech to himself. But, I'd say he was sufficiently "himself" before then to be a truly unique character with an honest ambition.

When you implant reaper tech it replaces parts of the body with synthetic/organic component mixes. Eyes included. ie. see the husks.

He started Cerberus the same way you'd start anything. Ambition, Drive, and Determination. Funds come through legitimate businesses that he funnels money out of.

I believe Udina turned to Cerberus after his powerlessness became apparent during the reaper invasion. For all of his life-long political struggles they amounted to nothing. He was desperate and took the course he thought would most benefit Earth.

My belief is Shepard is everything Kai Leng could have been. He can't understand how he can accomplish so much without getting his hands dirty like Kai Leng had to. Even as a renegade Shepard is sorta beloved as a savior to tons of people while still accomplishing what's good for humanity. Kai Leng was forced to pick one.

[IanPolaris]

Muezick wrote...

Pisses me off about haestrom being dropped

hoping for a DLC with that one.

I read some where that some guy read an early pre-approved script where one ending was *Spoilers* the reapers are good guys trying to save the universe from dark energy and a yet to be named other true antagonist.

was honestly expecting something like this even before i read what that guy said he read and was blown away by what i actually got.

Yeah I hear you.  Instead we get multiple trillions of lives lost over countless cycles spawning tens of millions of years because some snotty nosed AI "kid" get's caught in his own circular logic fear of a tech singularity when Shep can PROVE in the space of three years that such a tech singularity need not happen.

-Polaris