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[KefkaGestahl]

MageTarot wrote...

Even though it doesn't state it outright, it appears that if Wreav never finds out you get krogan support.

I guess it's too late for me on that front, then.  I did Wrex's armor quest, which I believe makes it impossible to kill him on Virmire.  I just wonder how much krogan support you lose, because as I've said, in the YouTube video of the scene, Wrex specifically says he'll give the order for his troops to withdraw after he deals with Shepard.  But getting killed himself should prevent that, and I read that after you kill Wrex, you can talk to a new Krogan leader.  I'm not sure how the scenario truly plays out.

[OMTING52601]

2leggywillow wrote...

LTKerr wrote...

I had 5300 EMS (needed some MP though), red option and no Shepard alive. WTF?

This happened to me too.  I went and did some MP to crank up my war assets and ended up with about 6900 EMS, chose Destroy, still no cutscene.  Glad to know I'm not the only one.  Maybe it's a bug?

See, I got the impression that if you did MP then you'd need a minimum of 6K to get Synergy and a full 10K to get the deep breath. All the numbers I saw were in direct relation to a SP only campaign, and I think - though I'm not sure - that the guy at SA said if you were gonna include MP then you'd need double. Meaning your 6900 EMS is 1100 pts shy of the 8K needed in order to get the good end, with all the right choices.

LOL, but since i haven't officially played the MP and don't plan to right now, take my comments with a grain of salt.

[JPfanner]

I didn't have 4k+ EMS after the Cerberus base so I boosted my readiness enough to get it there and then did Earth. Picked Destroy and didn't get a cutscene of breathing. Then I loaded a save from right before the Cerberus base, did the base again and then Earth. Picked Destroy and got the cutscene.
So it looks like it either locks in your EMS for endings when you start the Cerberus base or at the end of it (so the Reaper Heart/Brain count).

[Kittstalkur]

OMTING52601 wrote...

See, I got the impression that if you did MP then you'd need a minimum of 6K to get Synergy and a full 10K to get the deep breath. All the numbers I saw were in direct relation to a SP only campaign, and I think - though I'm not sure - that the guy at SA said if you were gonna include MP then you'd need double. Meaning your 6900 EMS is 1100 pts shy of the 8K needed in order to get the good end, with all the right choices.

LOL, but since i haven't officially played the MP and don't plan to right now, take my comments with a grain of salt.

7000ish and 100% readiness, I got the breath.

[IanPolaris]

KefkaGestahl wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

Even though it doesn't state it outright, it appears that if Wreav never finds out you get krogan support.

I guess it's too late for me on that front, then.  I did Wrex's armor quest, which I believe makes it impossible to kill him on Virmire.  I just wonder how much krogan support you lose, because as I've said, in the YouTube video of the scene, Wrex specifically says he'll give the order for his troops to withdraw after he deals with Shepard.  But getting killed himself should prevent that, and I read that after you kill Wrex, you can talk to a new Krogan leader.  I'm not sure how the scenario truly plays out.

It does not.  I have done Wrex's armor quest and killed him as a copper plated renegade in ME1.  What the armor quest does is give you the option of convincing Wrex to go along with you without any paragon or renegade options.

-Polaris

[KefkaGestahl]

IanPolaris wrote...

It does not.  I have done Wrex's armor quest and killed him as a copper plated renegade in ME1.  What the armor quest does is give you the option of convincing Wrex to go along with you without any paragon or renegade options.-Polaris

I just tested it and you're right.  You have to pick the renegade dialogue option when he asks if we're destroying the cure for the right reasons, but you can kill him.  I hate doing it, however.  It makes me feel awful.  But I wanted to try to maximize war assets through single player only.

I made a new thread, if you can add anything to it.  I'm trying to figure out what, exactly, is the best path forward in the genophage plot to get the most war assets.

[Priisus]

DrowNoble wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

Priisus wrote...

So it's official, you can't hit 8k of War Assets and 4k EMS without Multiplayer?

I've read multiple threads about this and it seems that this is the conclusion. If it is, then sadly it does mean we need to play MP to get the "Shepard lives" ending.

Sure seems that way. Bah. So much for the "You can get the best ending without multiplayyer!" promise. I'm a completetionist and played accordingly in all three games, even including all DLC, and I STILL don't get enough War Assets? WTF?

Well not only did Bioware lie about getting the best ending without mulitplayer, they also said that if we did everything and maximized what we could we'd get a "satisfying" end to the trilogy.

Well the End wasn't remotely satisfying in any way no matter how I look at it.  Guess they either lied about that too or have a warped sense of what is satisfying.

Yeah that's just sad, I just got done playing the Citadel coup mission. The game is great so far that even though the endings have been spoiled to me before the release, I am still looking forward to play it. But this is highly disappointing, I don't want to be forced to play multiplayer to get what technically should have been able to get done in a single player game. So that means the devs tweets are also for naught?

Modifié par Priisus, 13 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[kevlarcardhouse]

Okay, so I'm pretty certain people in this thread are mistaken because I just passed 9000k in War Assets and I based on walkthroughs I'm not even finished yet. (I just completed the Rannoch missions.) I have been playing some multiplayer but I understand that doesn't affect war assets at all, correct?

[KefkaGestahl]

kevlarcardhouse wrote...

Okay, so I'm pretty certain people in this thread are mistaken because I just passed 9000k in War Assets and I based on walkthroughs I'm not even finished yet. (I just completed the Rannoch missions.) I have been playing some multiplayer but I understand that doesn't affect war assets at all, correct?

Have you promoted multiplayer characters?  That boosts single player war assets.

[upsettingshorts]

kevlarcardhouse wrote...

Okay, so I'm pretty certain people in this thread are mistaken because I just passed 9000k in War Assets and I based on walkthroughs I'm not even finished yet. (I just completed the Rannoch missions.) I have been playing some multiplayer but I understand that doesn't affect war assets at all, correct?

Anyone claiming 8000 or greater war assets please post pictures.  If you're feeling particularly generous, a detailed description of your ME1->2->3 choices would be appreciated.

[upsettingshorts]

DrowNoble wrote...

Your war rating is meaningless.  Regardless of how high it is (mine was at 5200) you still get a bad ending that disregards any previous choices you've made up to that point.  It also creates more plot holes in 15 mins than I've ever seen in a game.

It's clear that Bioware wanted to end the trilogy on a very sour note and our choices be damned.

This is the Gameplay forum not the Story forum. 

This is simply about what EMS is required to achieve the maximum possible result in the game without penalty, and if EMS is not the key factor, it's about finding out what is.

Actual ending content can be discussed in the 900+ page long thread in the other subforum.

[HolyAvenger]

So. I have 3800 EMS before the Cerberus base mission and a fully maxed out Rep bar that is almost exclusively Paragon.

How much MP do I need to play to unlock all possible endings? One match to get me to 4000? Or more?

[Unato]

1 or 2 MP should bump you up to what you want

[HolyAvenger]

I meant do I need 4k or 5k?

[Unato]

no idea, I imagine the "safe" spot is 5K since that's so far the max anyone has been talking about

on a totally different note, I'm done with my spreadsheet, without actually double checking my numbers it seems TMS together is just over 8K assuming off course what's listed in the c.bin is everything that is in game (I don't think Eden Prime is in there for example, I have to double check that). that said this is a false number because of the points I stated a few posts back.

most notably there are double up. you can't have both Wrex and Wreav alive for example, like wise for Mordin + Wrex and I'm sure other such variables.

next step is to seperate these Assets by conversations, side quest, type modifiers etc

Modifié par Unato, 13 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[HolyAvenger]

^Someone just did a calc in the thread in the General section and found it to be 7419 TMS

http://social.biowar...3629/24#9856078

[Unato]

gives me a number to work with, cool thanks for that

edit: ~7600 TMS is what I get cutting redundant entries

I'm thinking what BW means when you can get the "best" is in regards to unlocking Synthesis. Certainly in that regard what BW has said is true, if you rush through the game skipping side quests etc you'll fall short of the needed 3K+ mark and thus you will only get Destroy or Control. To unlock the Synthesis ending you do need to play a more completionist run of ME3.

Long story short, fan interpretation != Bioware's interpretation

Modifié par Unato, 13 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[kevlarcardhouse]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Anyone claiming 8000 or greater war assets please post pictures.  If you're feeling particularly generous, a detailed description of your ME1->2->3 choices would be appreciated.

Well, here you go.

Like I said, I played some multiplayer but not enough to promote any of my characters, not that it should explain the difference anyways, so unless there's another way to gain war assets in multiplayer (that doesn't even inform you of it), it seems perfectly feasible to me.

Modifié par kevlarcardhouse, 13 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[Unato]

kevlarcardhouse wrote...

[Well, here you go.

Like I said, I played some multiplayer but not enough to promote any of my characters, not that it should explain the difference anyways, so unless there's another way to gain war assets in multiplayer, it seems perfectly feasible to me.

if you don't mind, can I ask you to expand and screenshot both ex cerberus and krogan. I'm curious what you've got that is going beyond my calculation

[HolyAvenger]

I...that can't be right. Additional assets from iPhone game and so forth?

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I had like 7560 war assets with 100% galactic readiness. Still the ending is pyrric victory to me.
How did you get so much points kevlar? Krogan so strong? i had like 680 on them.
Did u cure them or agreed with dalatras and faked the cure ?

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 13 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[Pani Mauser]

kevlarcardhouse wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Anyone claiming 8000 or greater war assets please post pictures.  If you're feeling particularly generous, a detailed description of your ME1->2->3 choices would be appreciated.

Well, here you go.

Like I said, I played some multiplayer but not enough to promote any of my characters, not that it should explain the difference anyways, so unless there's another way to gain war assets in multiplayer (that doesn't even inform you of it), it seems perfectly feasible to me.

How did you get asari so high? Please, make an expanded screenshot of that tab.

Modifié par Babe Mause, 13 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Elios]

kevlarcardhouse wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Anyone claiming 8000 or greater war assets please post pictures.  If you're feeling particularly generous, a detailed description of your ME1->2->3 choices would be appreciated.

Well, here you go.

Like I said, I played some multiplayer but not enough to promote any of my characters, not that it should explain the difference anyways, so unless there's another way to gain war assets in multiplayer (that doesn't even inform you of it), it seems perfectly feasible to me.

could you upload that save file for me id like to play with it

[KefkaGestahl]

There are editors out for the PC. Inclined to believe he cheated. Not fair to say, but completely logical. I did everything for the krogan and I'm pretty sure they never got north of a thousand.

[Jayce]

This is going to be a little scrappy but bear with me....

I reached 3858 EMS on my play through and I'd screwed the Cerebus cypher side-quest up and got the Kasumi glitch.

I told Wrex about the Salarian deception and so didn't get the First Fleet, though I did get the Third Fleet when Thane saved the original salarian ambassador.

I saved the Rachni Queen (again) at the expense of the Aralakh Company. So got 100 for Rachni workers and only 50 for Aralakh, but Grunt survived and he gave another 100.

I also let Admiral Koris die on Ranoch and withheld the Quarian Data from the tribunal in ME2. so dunno how much I lost there.

Oh, and I destroyed the Collector base, so dunno what effect that had.

Zaeed is alive and he bagged me about another 100 TMS, plus extra volus support.

Also my character finished ME before Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station came out but I noticed pinnacle gives a Turian spec ops team, I dunno if you get more EMS or what happens with either Balak or Terra Nova if you finished them.  This meant Balak was still alive in my game and I persuaded him to rally the Batarian remnant to the alien war asset fleet, but Terra Nova was toast.

NB: I didn't play pure Paragon or Renegade in any of the 3 games but about 25% Renegade, 75% Paragon.

All of the above suggests to me it just about possible to scrape together 4000 and change EMS without multiplayer. But I highly doubt 5000 EMS is possible without meta gaming.

Modifié par Jayce F, 13 mars 2012 - 12:58 .