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[Olej z Maku]

Kargsure wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

Bioware should have just kept it a CE exclusive. Then, we wouldn't have to worry about this.

Ofc if they'd done that the same people would have been complaining that they wanted it as a DLC and why wasn't it released as Day 1 DLC etc etc...you just can't please some people.

I would be pleased if I could by standard edition that contain all the essencial content with a single price tag and no strings attached. Is it really that much to ask?

[rockman0]

Kargsure wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

Bioware should have just kept it a CE exclusive. Then, we wouldn't have to worry about this.

Ofc if they'd done that the same people would have been complaining that they wanted it as a DLC and why wasn't it released as Day 1 DLC etc etc...you just can't please some people.

Isnt that part of the reason they went ahead and released it as DLC?

Sometimes BSN makes me want to rethink my major and study medicine or something.

[nelly21]

Olej z Maku wrote...

I would be pleased if I could by standard edition that contain all the essencial content with a single price tag and no strings attached. Is it really that much to ask?

That is what you received. The Prothean isn't essential.

[CitizenSnips]

That's weird... I still don't seem to care.

[rockman0]

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Modifié par rockman0, 08 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[rockman0]

Olej z Maku wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

Bioware should have just kept it a CE exclusive. Then, we wouldn't have to worry about this.

Ofc if they'd done that the same people would have been complaining that they wanted it as a DLC and why wasn't it released as Day 1 DLC etc etc...you just can't please some people.

I would be pleased if I could by standard edition that contain all the essencial content with a single price tag and no strings attached. Is it really that much to ask?

You did. You got exactly what was advertised...exactly what you paid for. It was known since day -300 that the DLC would be extra for standard edition. Complaining now is selfish. 

[Amikae]

nelly21 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

While they didn't technically lie they were misleading.

In what way? I knew he would be day 1 dlc. The fact that there are auxiliary files on the disc does not prove they were done with the content. I wasn't mislead and I'm not any more intelligent than you are.

You still don't get it. There are no " auxiliary" files on the disk. All the files are on the disc. When you buy it, you just get access to them. That's all.

[nelly21]

Amikae wrote...

You still don't get it. There are no " auxiliary" files on the disk. All the files are on the disc. When you buy it, you just get access to them. That's all.

Really? 620 mb for permission to use what's on the disk? You aren't this stupid. You're pretending to be because you don't like the practice.

[Olej z Maku]

nelly21 wrote...

Olej z Maku wrote...

So you are saying they sell the mision on Eden prime for $10? I dont think so. They obviously developed the Prothean character way before game was finished and used the rest they finished later as an excuse. The Prothean is in the game. He is just unlocked by DLC. Bioware lied when they said it was developed separately.

And yet you don't have any evidence of this. You create arguments to fit your initial assertion. Johnny gave you evidence as did I. You don't want to accept it because you want to believe differently. But you're wrong.

Furthermore, as I mentioned before, even if the character was on the disk in it's entirety (which it's not) it is Bioware's right to decide what they are including in their package. It is our right decide if it is worth a purchase.

The evidence suggests they worked on DLC when they said they didn't. Rest of what you call evidence is just speculation why they did that. That is irrelevant to the argument that they lied. You are just manufactoring more and more elaborated stories to defend bioware so you dont have to change your beloved opinion but there is such thing as Ockham razor which discard overcomplicated explanations.

Of course lieing and milking their customers is Biowares/EAs right but it is my right to point that out if it is happening.

[vader da slayer]

Draythe wrote...

 When everybody complained about day one DLC Bioware assured everyone that it was content that was developed after the main game shipped. Now it looks like that is not the case. Every single file relating to the DLC crew mate is on the disc, meaning it was developed before the game shipped. Models, animations, voice clips, UI graphics, Scripts, everything. It looks like we've been lied to.

http://crystalprison...-developed.html 

Thoughts?

680 MB download = not on disc, just becasue there are a (very) few files that have a relation to the dlc doesn't mean the DLC is all on the disc already. I wonder how much you guys would scream if you realised that a lot of DLC out there uses resources already on the discs.....

if something is already on the disc the DLC would have been 108.00KB. fact.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 08 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Amikae wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

While they didn't technically lie they were misleading.

In what way? I knew he would be day 1 dlc. The fact that there are auxiliary files on the disc does not prove they were done with the content. I wasn't mislead and I'm not any more intelligent than you are.

You still don't get it. There are no " auxiliary" files on the disk. All the files are on the disc. When you buy it, you just get access to them. That's all.

Not true at all. You used illegal copies talked about/example to make such a claim, I wonder if you even realise what they distribute on those illegal files/torrents and such is game+DLC bundled (two items in one torrent or download and is not the same as what is on the disc). Your example and proof is flawed in that regard so stop using it to justify your assumption.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[Mr Bassplayer]

Well this is kinda low...

[Pontiac]

Last time I checked, Bioware is not a public service. They are a business, and they have a right to push this market as far as they can. If they push it too far, sales will suffer. Its economics. There is a huge demand for ME content. Why? Because we are loving this ride.

No one is forcing you or anyone else into purchasing this game, or the DLC, so vote with your wallet and walk away if it is that offensive to you.

Me? I really don't care. I've bought in, I want the content, and am willing to pay extra for it.

At the end of the day, what is $10 worth in this world anymore? 2.5 gallons of gas, almost a movie ticket, dinner. If you feel that those things would more effectively affect your happiness, then go for it. If you don't have enough money, mow someone's lawn, skip lunch for a couple of days, or push the re-up back a couple of days.

Thanks for reading rhetorical you.
</rant>

[Olej z Maku]

nelly21 wrote...

Olej z Maku wrote...

I would be pleased if I could by standard edition that contain all the essencial content with a single price tag and no strings attached. Is it really that much to ask?

That is what you received. The Prothean isn't essential.

I dont think so.

"
After the mission, there are absolutely crucial “big picture” story elements revealed through a sort of Q&A conversation with Javik. Without him, you wouldn’t be able to fill in a number of gaps in the history of the Mass Effect[/i] universe — which makes it a shame that Javik wasn’t included in the base package, so everyone would be able to enjoy it. "

http://gamerlimit.co...from-ashes-dlc/ 

[Face Melter]

saying the prothean isn't essential is like saying Commander Shepard isn't an important character to the storyline.

Which he, and the prothean, both are. The prothean maybe even more so.

[digby69]

Runalak wrote...

 I still don't get what's wrong here? First of all, I had to download the whole DLC (I guess) with 500mb download.
Second, it's known for months that there will be a DLC on the first day because it was part of the CE content so it had to be done at release date. So even if it would be on the disc, would just mean they were done earlier than expected. 

I don't know why some people still say it's on the disc, it was definately not on my Collectors Editon Discs. If the strange blog is the only source maybe they are just speculating to get viewers, which works thanks to people who see a conspiracy in everything.

Edit: After actually reading the blog (What a waste of time) I can definately say that they just wanted money and you give it to them with every view (shame on me). They only say, the content was ripped out of the game but I haven't seen a word about the CE. It's not ripped out of the game, it's just the content, that was promised months ago for the CE.
The voice files? Wow what a big surprise. Do you think Bioware starts the voice acting 2 days before they release the DLC? Voice Over is done long before it's needed in the game and they do more than they need so they can change or add something later without inviteing the voice actors all again. 
Some people are just looking for something to hate, if you do so next time please use your brain first.

well said

[digby69]

Olej z Maku wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Olej z Maku wrote...

They lied.

No they didn't. Read Johnny above.

They did. They said they worked on the DLC after the game was finished.

Which they DID.. Face Palm:blink:

[gangly369]

Pontiac wrote...

Last time I checked, Bioware is not a public service. They are a business, and they have a right to push this market as far as they can. If they push it too far, sales will suffer. Its economics. There is a huge demand for ME content. Why? Because we are loving this ride.

No one is forcing you or anyone else into purchasing this game, or the DLC, so vote with your wallet and walk away if it is that offensive to you.

Me? I really don't care. I've bought in, I want the content, and am willing to pay extra for it.

At the end of the day, what is $10 worth in this world anymore? 2.5 gallons of gas, almost a movie ticket, dinner. If you feel that those things would more effectively affect your happiness, then go for it. If you don't have enough money, mow someone's lawn, skip lunch for a couple of days, or push the re-up back a couple of days.

Thanks for reading rhetorical you.
</rant>

^^^
This is the world we live in today. People here are acting outraged over $10, stuff they seem to feel should be a part of the game. Guess what, everyone does this kind of stuff. You wanna change it? Fine. Go start a revolution. I won't stop you. Hell, I might even support it. But do it somewhere else, cause trust me, your not gonna change anything as drastic as this by whining on the BSN like a bunch of drama queens 

[nelly21]

Olej z Maku wrote...

The evidence suggests they worked on DLC when they said they didn't. Rest of what you call evidence is just speculation why they did that. That is irrelevant to the argument that they lied. You are just manufactoring more and more elaborated stories to defend bioware so you dont have to change your beloved opinion but there is such thing as Ockham razor which discard overcomplicated explanations.

I've said one story that I got from Bioware. You claim that they lied with no evidence and assumed that the download is just a key that grants access to what's already on the disc (which it isn't).

How is my argument complicated? They integrated necessary minor auxiliary files into the game. The bulk was completed after the game went gold hence the download. How is this in any way complicated?

Olej z Maku wrote...

I dont think so.

"
[color=rgb(51,51,51)">After the mission, there are absolutely crucial “big picture” story elements revealed through a sort of Q&] universe — which makes it a shame that Javik wasn’t included in the base package, so everyone would be able to enjoy it.[/color] "

http://gamerlimit.co...from-ashes-dlc/

Yes, he adds to the lore.
He is unnecessary for the story.

Modifié par nelly21, 08 mars 2012 - 11:04 .

[jada_pinkett]

Who cares. If they want they could have just put it in something else when the game shipped then released it online but why not save time and money for bioware and ea to put it on the disk. They are a company that needs to make money.

[Pobatti]

It basically means, with the right know-how, folks might even be able to access this content without downloading the file or paying any money - just by modding their saved game and/or data files a bit.

The fact that the DLC is 500mb says nothing. I could send you a 500mb dummy file right now that does nothing. These 'key' files can be any size the developer wants and with all the publicity and huge outcry and backlash over the Ashes DLC that happened I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware had somehow 'bloated up' the file to try and fool us.

[nelly21]

Pobatti wrote...

The fact that the DLC is 500mb says nothing. I could send you a 500mb dummy file right now that does nothing. These 'key' files can be any size the developer wants and with all the publicity and huge outcry and backlash over the Ashes DLC that happened I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware had somehow 'bloated up' the file to try and fool us.

Provide evidence and I'll believe you. Until then, your accusation has no basis.

[digby69]

Pobatti wrote...

It basically means, with the right know-how, folks might even be able to access this content without downloading the file or paying any money - just by modding their saved game and/or data files a bit.

The fact that the DLC is 500mb says nothing. I could send you a 500mb dummy file right now that does nothing. These 'key' files can be any size the developer wants and with all the publicity and huge outcry and backlash over the Ashes DLC that happened I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware had somehow 'bloated up' the file to try and fool us.

Sorry your wrong technically

[Maverick827]

Pobatti wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware had somehow 'bloated up' the file to try and fool us.

I wouldn't be surprised if you refuse to admit that you're wrong when someone actually takes a peek into what is actually downloaded and finds game data.

[CitizenSnips]

Face Melter wrote...

saying the prothean isn't essential is like saying Commander Shepard isn't an important character to the storyline.

Which he, and the prothean, both are. The prothean maybe even more so.

Congratulations! This is the stupidest post in the thread!