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[gabe2gg]

GroverA125 wrote...

Would all of you kindly grow up? Just because they put some of it on the disc is NOT a reason to draw arms and act like spoilt children. The content is there so that the people who download the DLC don't get a large dent in their hard drive memory. Following the rules/guidelines of DLC, it is wrong or unfeasible to create a DLC that takes up too much space on hard drive, breaking this rule makes the DLC unfeasible and is the primary reason why the Halo series has never recieved new armors (because of how they are laced into the game, it would require a colossal patch). If BW put it on the disc, then they have their reasons.

It's Bioware's game, not yours. remember that and you'll do well. Bioware had the decency to give you a new game, and you find all the most minor problems with it and go against the developers? Welcome to life, grow up and quit complaining, If you don't like what Bioware does, then stop buying their stuff. No-one's forcing you to buy the DLC, and absolutely no-one is forcing you to get the game. I'm sure there are hundreds of other companies out there who appeal to you, or have you already found problems with each of them and refused to buy from them unless they do something about it?

Sorry we have the right to complain this is a forum. It sounds like you have an bigger issue than the rest of us.

[AlanC9]

android654 wrote...
It was a marketing scheme from the beginning. The most insulting part was that they had the audacity to promote it before the game was even released. If they were clever the least they could have done was hold it from the market place for a month or so. I suppose they figured most people will just buy things blindly if the attach the name of an existing property to it.

Huh? You're saying Bio should deliberately hold the product back even if it's ready to go. To make the whiners feel better? Anyone who's really upset by day 1 DLC can just refuse to download this one for a month, but why force everyone else to wait a month?

Oh, wait -- the point is to have Bio lie to them about the product being ready, right?

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[xX N7 Xx]

Two words, who cares?

[Draythe]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 08 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[rockman0]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 08 mars 2012 - 05:35 .

[Miashi]

If anyone believed that they could integrate a character tightly into a storyline without doing some work prior to the game being completed, then it's pretty naive on one's part. I'm not surprised at all. Day one DLC, and the large majority of paid DLC is a gaming industry malpractice.

[GroverA125]

gabe2gg wrote...

Sorry we have the right to complain this is a forum. It sounds like you have an bigger issue than the rest of us.

My issue is with people having a whine about the most petty things about a game, people picking holes in everything for the sake of it, not for any kind of gain, just because their lives are so bad that they have to take their anger out on a company that is attempting to prevent large patches or downloads. What are you expecting to gain from this? They can't exactly remove the data from the disk. And would that even please you? The game went gold in february, one or two days before they released the demo. They would easily have completed all the additions to that more than a month prior. with the remaining time being debugging and polishing. They had spare space on-disks and they've used it to make a download smaller, and you are complaining at them for it. If you want them not to do it again, ask nicely, instead of starting threads with the intention of stirring up the community both for and against you.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Not this crap again , the people releasing this mis-information should be ashamed.Anyone with brain knows some/most files have to be on the disc for any dlc to work.Without it you can't do dlc period(it would be programming/hacking nightmare) on consoles because their not like PC's where you can just create an add-on easy.

So yes the voice files/character models/ , a finished fully textured Eden Prime is not on the disc.Why do think the download is 600 mb , come on people don't buy into what someone tells you(who doesn't know the process of creating dlc). Look into things for yourself or look at all evidence(uninformed article/developers comments) , don't just be a blind puppet that can be easily worked up.

[Draythe]

GroverA125 wrote...

What are you expecting to gain from this? 

We're expecting them to explain why we were mislead into thinking this DLC was developed after the game shipped. This is what they told us, and we have evidence that this is not the case. This is not hard to understand.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

GroverA125 wrote...

gabe2gg wrote...

Sorry we have the right to complain this is a forum. It sounds like you have an bigger issue than the rest of us.

My issue is with people having a whine about the most petty things about a game, people picking holes in everything for the sake of it, not for any kind of gain, just because their lives are so bad that they have to take their anger out on a company that is attempting to prevent large patches or downloads. What are you expecting to gain from this? They can't exactly remove the data from the disk. And would that even please you? The game went gold in february, one or two days before they released the demo. They would easily have completed all the additions to that more than a month prior. with the remaining time being debugging and polishing. They had spare space on-disks and they've used it to make a download smaller, and you are complaining at them for it. If you want them not to do it again, ask nicely, instead of starting threads with the intention of stirring up the community both for and against you.

People can whine , but let it be about something like a bug or something that kills the gameplay experience.These articles that pop-up from people who have no clue on how the dlc process works , just to me are plain stupid.I don't think the people that buy into them are , but I think people need put on their thinking caps a bit more.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Miashi wrote...

If anyone believed that they could integrate a character tightly into a storyline without doing some work prior to the game being completed, then it's pretty naive on one's part. I'm not surprised at all. Day one DLC, and the large majority of paid DLC is a gaming industry malpractice.

This right here is the issue that needs discussing. if you read what Bioware said it's pretty clear that they integrated the character with the main game and then made the mission while the game was in certification. They have not lied to anyone. If anything they've been pretty open about it.

The idea of paid for day one DLC is what should be being discussed here, not "revelations" which reveal precisely nothing that wasn't already obvious to anyone who took the time to look at the situation.

[AlanC9]

Draythe wrote...
We're expecting them to explain why we were mislead into thinking this DLC was developed after the game shipped. This is what they told us, and we have evidence that this is not the case. This is not hard to understand.

Except that you don't have any such evidence. You've got evidence that a portion of the DLC is on the disc.

What of it?

This is completely consistent with the DLC being developed after the game shipped. Nobody at Bio ever said that 100% of the work on the DLC was done after the game went gold. It's idiotic to think that's how the process works.

Edit: the thread title itself isn't too bad; it's the statement I quoted above that's false.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Draythe wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

What are you expecting to gain from this? 

We're expecting them to explain why we were mislead into thinking this DLC was developed after the game shipped. This is what they told us, and we have evidence that this is not the case. This is not hard to understand.

They mis-lead nothing , please go search online or look at biowares comments on the subject of the dlc process.

[GroverA125]

Draythe wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

What are you expecting to gain from this? 

We're expecting them to explain why we were mislead into thinking this DLC was developed after the game shipped. This is what they told us, and we have evidence that this is not the case. This is not hard to understand.

You seriously thought that they could have made all of it perfectly in a months time? from mid-february to march?

If they did manage it, they would obviously have put some files in the disc before it went gold, else anyone who intended on recieving the DLC (by which I mean who got the CE. They weren't intending on making CEs have different discs) would need far more space on their hard drive and that would cause more problems.

[Draythe]

AlanC9 wrote...

Draythe wrote...
we have evidence that this is not the case.

Except that you don't have any such evidence. You've got evidence that a portion of the DLC is on the disc.

So you're saying we have evidence, but we don't have evidence? You don't HAVE to defend every little thing this company does you know.

[Descedent]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Not this crap again , the people releasing this mis-information should be ashamed.Anyone with brain knows some/most files have to be on the disc for any dlc to work.Without it you can't do dlc period(it would be programming/hacking nightmare) on consoles because their not like PC's where you can just create an add-on easy.

So yes the voice files/character models/ , a finished fully textured Eden Prime is not on the disc.Why do think the download is 600 mb , come on people don't buy into what someone tells you(who doesn't know the process of creating dlc). Look into things for yourself or look at all evidence(uninformed article/developers comments) , don't just be a blind puppet that can be easily worked up.

BULLCRAP . there are plenty of dlcs out there for games post launch that have NO original source files out there prior to release or on the disc.

These games are built to allow additional content easily.

Modifié par Descedent, 08 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[HWM BlacKnight]

To me this makes sense as when developing the game you have deadlines to meet and if you know you want to add more to the finished project but simply don't have the time you create DLC. However you may have time to flesh out and polish some of that DLC such as audio and animations and get that on the main disk. While the game is getting verified you can continue to build up the rest of that DLC.

That's the other way of looking at it but I'm still very skeptical over this.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Descedent wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Not this crap again , the people releasing this mis-information should be ashamed.Anyone with brain knows some/most files have to be on the disc for any dlc to work.Without it you can't do dlc period(it would be programming/hacking nightmare) on consoles because their not like PC's where you can just create an add-on easy.

So yes the voice files/character models/ , a finished fully textured Eden Prime is not on the disc.Why do think the download is 600 mb , come on people don't buy into what someone tells you(who doesn't know the process of creating dlc). Look into things for yourself or look at all evidence(uninformed article/developers comments) , don't just be a blind puppet that can be easily worked up.

BULLCRAP . there are plenty of dlcs out there for games post launch that have NO original source files out there prior to release or on the disc.

These games are built to allow additional content easily.

Ok , name them along with showing developers saying (console game)no original source files are on the disc and the dlc content used none of the existing textures on the disc.Please show me this proof and I might change my mind.<_<

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 08 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[AlanC9]

Draythe wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Draythe wrote...
we have evidence that this is not the case.

Except that you don't have any such evidence. You've got evidence that a portion of the DLC is on the disc.

So you're saying we have evidence, but we don't have evidence? You don't HAVE to defend every little thing this company does you know.

No. You have evidence that a portion of the DLC is on the disc. That simply isn't evidence that "the DLC" is on the disc. 

[android654]

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...
It was a marketing scheme from the beginning. The most insulting part was that they had the audacity to promote it before the game was even released. If they were clever the least they could have done was hold it from the market place for a month or so. I suppose they figured most people will just buy things blindly if the attach the name of an existing property to it.

Huh? You're saying Bio should deliberately hold the product back even if it's ready to go. To make the whiners feel better? Anyone who's really upset by day 1 DLC can just refuse to download this one for a month, but why force everyone else to wait a month?

Oh, wait -- the point is to have Bio lie to them about the product being ready, right?

Perhaps you did not read what I wrote in the proper context. I agree that this is underhanded, and unethical to do. What that post was about, was about the boldness with which they distributed the DLC. It reflects that they have no consideration for their customers by releasing additional content whihc is already included on the disk for an extra price.

[Miashi]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

The idea of paid for day one DLC is what should be being discussed here, not "revelations" which reveal precisely nothing that wasn't already obvious to anyone who took the time to look at the situation.

You don't need to be a project manager genius or a Bioware employee to realize how much footwork has to be done prior. ie: You have vioce talents and dialogs, and you hire them for a defined period of time, so if they actually have banter with said DLC character, that needs to be prepared in advance, aka before the game is completed.

I don't know why everyone is acting in shock and awe when the very same thing happened with the exiled prince day-1 DLC in DA:2. Nevermind, the guy was just a tool and contributed nothing to the story. I guess there's some merit to be angry, but again, day one DLC is a business malpractice, it's despicable and unacceptable.

Modifié par Miashi, 08 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[Crimson-Engage]

There was a lot that was already on the disk. Such as the N7 Weapons and armor. Because I know damn well that a few weapons and a suit of armor are more than 108.kb of data!

[AlanC9]

android654 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...
It was a marketing scheme from the beginning. The most insulting part was that they had the audacity to promote it before the game was even released. If they were clever the least they could have done was hold it from the market place for a month or so. I suppose they figured most people will just buy things blindly if the attach the name of an existing property to it.

Huh? You're saying Bio should deliberately hold the product back even if it's ready to go. To make the whiners feel better? Anyone who's really upset by day 1 DLC can just refuse to download this one for a month, but why force everyone else to wait a month?

Oh, wait -- the point is to have Bio lie to them about the product being ready, right?

Perhaps you did not read what I wrote in the proper context. I agree that this is underhanded, and unethical to do. What that post was about, was about the boldness with which they distributed the DLC. It reflects that they have no consideration for their customers by releasing additional content whihc is already included on the disk for an extra price.

What's wrong with boldness? Sounds like honesty to me.

[Draythe]

AlanC9 wrote...

No. You have evidence that a portion of the DLC is on the disc. That simply isn't evidence that "the DLC" is on the disc. 

I never made that claim. I'm only saying that the fact that those files are already there says that they lied about waiting until after the game went gold to start work on the DLC.