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[android654]

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...
It was a marketing scheme from the beginning. The most insulting part was that they had the audacity to promote it before the game was even released. If they were clever the least they could have done was hold it from the market place for a month or so. I suppose they figured most people will just buy things blindly if the attach the name of an existing property to it.

Huh? You're saying Bio should deliberately hold the product back even if it's ready to go. To make the whiners feel better? Anyone who's really upset by day 1 DLC can just refuse to download this one for a month, but why force everyone else to wait a month?

Oh, wait -- the point is to have Bio lie to them about the product being ready, right?

Perhaps you did not read what I wrote in the proper context. I agree that this is underhanded, and unethical to do. What that post was about, was about the boldness with which they distributed the DLC. It reflects that they have no consideration for their customers by releasing additional content whihc is already included on the disk for an extra price.

What's wrong with boldness? Sounds like honesty to me.

Because in this case it exposes an unethical business practice.

[silent-man73]

I suppose I just don't understand why people are upset about the first-day DLC.

You can play the game from beginning to end, getting every element of the story you need to be complete in understanding, with nothing more than what installs for you from the disc or from your digital download. DLC is 100% optional, including the squadmate from the "From Ashes" DLC. I didn't consider ninja chick from the ME2 DLC to be necessary, even though she had her own mission. She'd have been nice to have, but I didn't wind up buying her, and don't feel my game in any way suffered for her not being there.

I swear, I don't understand video game forums sometimes... I don't get why they're rivers of flames and tears, when what you should be doing is just playing and enjoying the game instead of assaulting the development studio for not giving you what you 100% wanted. You're playing their game, they aren't playing yours.

[GroverA125]

Crimson-Engage wrote...

There was a lot that was already on the disk. Such as the N7 Weapons and armor. Because I know damn well that a few weapons and a suit of armor are more than 108.kb of data!

So is most pre-order bonuses in games. Halo held the same system, with all the bonuses (recon helmet, elite and flaming helmet in Reach, Sgt. Johnson in ODST) being on disc but requiring a DLC "activation code" to work. It is NOT a new creation by Bioware, and Day-1 DLC is not the same as, and should probably never be confused with, pre-order DLC.

[sackyhack]

Can't say I'm surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised, just the way of things I guess. What pisses me off though is whenever news comes up like this, someone comes in and says "but guys we worked on it after the main game was done". And yet they go in interviews and say things like PC doesn't have controller support because they ran out of time. There are bugs that wipe your MP progress, yet they claim to have time to work on "bonus" dlc about a character from a race that basically set the events of the whole trilogy in motion.

[Descedent]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Descedent wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Not this crap again , the people releasing this mis-information should be ashamed.Anyone with brain knows some/most files have to be on the disc for any dlc to work.Without it you can't do dlc period(it would be programming/hacking nightmare) on consoles because their not like PC's where you can just create an add-on easy.

So yes the voice files/character models/ , a finished fully textured Eden Prime is not on the disc.Why do think the download is 600 mb , come on people don't buy into what someone tells you(who doesn't know the process of creating dlc). Look into things for yourself or look at all evidence(uninformed article/developers comments) , don't just be a blind puppet that can be easily worked up.

BULLCRAP . there are plenty of dlcs out there for games post launch that have NO original source files out there prior to release or on the disc.

These games are built to allow additional content easily.

Ok , name them along with showing developers saying (console game)no original source files are on the disc and the dlc content used none of the existing textures on the disc.Please show me this proof and I might change my mind.<_<

oh geeze really.... really....  of course DLC uses current textures and models... doesn't mean things can't be created post release don't have some sort of "files" on disc like ashes does.... any modification can be made to software post release...... this is not rocket science. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Crimson-Engage wrote...

There was a lot that was already on the disk. Such as the N7 Weapons and armor. Because I know damn well that a few weapons and a suit of armor are more than 108.kb of data!

Of course it was , but it was also suppose to a Gamestop/Game exclusive.I'm not denying that one at all , but their is a difference between 108.kb vs 600 mb.From Ashes originally would have been in the game , but the idea was scrapped because it didn't fit the plot of ME3.Alot of  work had been done on it but it wasn't completyly finshed until the dlc team worked on it in January-Feburary having been slightly re-worked.

[Crimson-Engage]

GroverA125 wrote...

Crimson-Engage wrote...

There was a lot that was already on the disk. Such as the N7 Weapons and armor. Because I know damn well that a few weapons and a suit of armor are more than 108.kb of data!

So is most pre-order bonuses in games. Halo held the same system, with all the bonuses (recon helmet, elite and flaming helmet in Reach, Sgt. Johnson in ODST) being on disc but requiring a DLC "activation code" to work. It is NOT a new creation by Bioware, and Day-1 DLC is not the same as, and should probably never be confused with, pre-order DLC.

True Bioware didn't start this fad but that doesn't make it right. If I pay $65 for a game I think I pretty much paid for what was on the disk to start with. Why do I have to shell out more?

[AlanC9]

Draythe wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

No. You have evidence that a portion of the DLC is on the disc. That simply isn't evidence that "the DLC" is on the disc. 

I never made that claim. I'm only saying that the fact that those files are already there says that they lied about waiting until after the game went gold to start work on the DLC. 

Well, you did say this:

Draythe wrote...
We're expecting them to explain why we were mislead into thinking this DLC was developed after the game shipped. This is what they told us, and we have evidence that this is not the case. This is not hard to understand.

 

But if when you said "this DLC was  developed after the game shipped " you actually meant "100% of the work  on this DLC was done after the game shipped, " we don't have a disagreement about that. That would be a lie, yep.

But I can't remember anyone at Bio saying that 100% of the work on From Ashes was done after the game shipped. Could you link to such a statement? 

I'm not a fan of deceptive rhetoric.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[brunomalta]

Buhuhuu.......

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Descedent wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Descedent wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Not this crap again , the people releasing this mis-information should be ashamed.Anyone with brain knows some/most files have to be on the disc for any dlc to work.Without it you can't do dlc period(it would be programming/hacking nightmare) on consoles because their not like PC's where you can just create an add-on easy.

So yes the voice files/character models/ , a finished fully textured Eden Prime is not on the disc.Why do think the download is 600 mb , come on people don't buy into what someone tells you(who doesn't know the process of creating dlc). Look into things for yourself or look at all evidence(uninformed article/developers comments) , don't just be a blind puppet that can be easily worked up.

BULLCRAP . there are plenty of dlcs out there for games post launch that have NO original source files out there prior to release or on the disc.

These games are built to allow additional content easily.

Ok , name them along with showing developers saying (console game)no original source files are on the disc and the dlc content used none of the existing textures on the disc.Please show me this proof and I might change my mind.<_<

oh geeze really.... really....  of course DLC uses current textures and models... doesn't mean things can't be created post release don't have some sort of "files" on disc like ashes does.... any modification can be made to software post release...... this is not rocket science. 

So you make these games for a living on 360/PS3 , I should trust you and a mis-informed article over a developer who knows the process(along with reading online how the process works).Right!!!!!!!<_<

[AlanC9]

android654 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...
It was a marketing scheme from the beginning. The most insulting part was that they had the audacity to promote it before the game was even released. If they were clever the least they could have done was hold it from the market place for a month or so. I suppose they figured most people will just buy things blindly if the attach the name of an existing property to it.

Huh? You're saying Bio should deliberately hold the product back even if it's ready to go. To make the whiners feel better? Anyone who's really upset by day 1 DLC can just refuse to download this one for a month, but why force everyone else to wait a month?

Oh, wait -- the point is to have Bio lie to them about the product being ready, right?

Perhaps you did not read what I wrote in the proper context. I agree that this is underhanded, and unethical to do. What that post was about, was about the boldness with which they distributed the DLC. It reflects that they have no consideration for their customers by releasing additional content whihc is already included on the disk for an extra price.

What's wrong with boldness? Sounds like honesty to me.

Because in this case it exposes an unethical business practice.

I don't see how it's unethical. We all know exactly what's in the standard edition and what is not in the standard edition. We can buy the SE, the DD, the SE plus the DLC, or none of it. All perfectly ethical.

Covering up the existence of the  DLC pre-release would have been unethical.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[lrrose]

Eden Prime doesn't seem to be in those files.

[Descedent]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Descedent wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Descedent wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Not this crap again , the people releasing this mis-information should be ashamed.Anyone with brain knows some/most files have to be on the disc for any dlc to work.Without it you can't do dlc period(it would be programming/hacking nightmare) on consoles because their not like PC's where you can just create an add-on easy.

So yes the voice files/character models/ , a finished fully textured Eden Prime is not on the disc.Why do think the download is 600 mb , come on people don't buy into what someone tells you(who doesn't know the process of creating dlc). Look into things for yourself or look at all evidence(uninformed article/developers comments) , don't just be a blind puppet that can be easily worked up.

BULLCRAP . there are plenty of dlcs out there for games post launch that have NO original source files out there prior to release or on the disc.

These games are built to allow additional content easily.

Ok , name them along with showing developers saying (console game)no original source files are on the disc and the dlc content used none of the existing textures on the disc.Please show me this proof and I might change my mind.<_<

oh geeze really.... really....  of course DLC uses current textures and models... doesn't mean things can't be created post release don't have some sort of "files" on disc like ashes does.... any modification can be made to software post release...... this is not rocket science. 

So you make these games for a living on 360/PS3 , I should trust you and a mis-informed article over a developer who knows the process(along with reading online how the process works).Right!!!!!!!<_<

wow man...you know video games are software right? You know theres code?  How you think they do patches, oh brilliant one!

[theandroids]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Anyone in the least bit suprised by this?

Not at all. Like I said to someone before, THERE IS NO WAY THEY WERE MAKING THIS FINAL INSTALLIMENT AND DID NOT ORIGINALLY DECIDE TO ADD THE PROTHEAN MEMBER. (it's a no brainer) But some believe they decided to make it after they completed the game and was bored... Give me a break!

Modifié par theandroids, 08 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

android654 wrote...
It was a marketing scheme from the beginning. The most insulting part was that they had the audacity to promote it before the game was even released. If they were clever the least they could have done was hold it from the market place for a month or so. I suppose they figured most people will just buy things blindly if the attach the name of an existing property to it.

Huh? You're saying Bio should deliberately hold the product back even if it's ready to go. To make the whiners feel better? Anyone who's really upset by day 1 DLC can just refuse to download this one for a month, but why force everyone else to wait a month?

Oh, wait -- the point is to have Bio lie to them about the product being ready, right?

Perhaps you did not read what I wrote in the proper context. I agree that this is underhanded, and unethical to do. What that post was about, was about the boldness with which they distributed the DLC. It reflects that they have no consideration for their customers by releasing additional content whihc is already included on the disk for an extra price.

What's wrong with boldness? Sounds like honesty to me.

Because in this case it exposes an unethical business practice.

I don't see how it's unethical. We all know exactly what's in the standard edition and what is not in the standard edition. We can buy the SE, the DD, the SE plus the DLC, or none of it. All perfectly ethical.

Covering up the existence of the  DLC pre-release would have been unethical.

I thought I'd never say this but where living in a gimme gimme free , game generation.And because games are start charging a little more along with offering a premium edition with extra content.People feel its wrong because they want everything free.

[silent-man73]

Crimson-Engage wrote...

True Bioware didn't start this fad but that doesn't make it right. If I pay $65 for a game I think I pretty much paid for what was on the disk to start with. Why do I have to shell out more?

This might be part of the issue: you had expectations which weren't necessarily justified.  I can understand your perspective, but I don't know if it's necessarily optimal.

I paid $90 (or thereabouts) for my Collectors Edition for the PC.  That means I want the core game (without DLC), my CE hoodie/weapons/dog/soundtrack/collectable FemShep-DudeShep tin/companion appearance options/comic book/lithograph/art book/patch/free first-day DLC.  I pre-ordered through Gamestop, which means I also wanted my pre-order weapons.

I got all those things.

If someone bought the regular edition, it means they wanted the core game, plus any pre-order bonuses as applicable.

You got that.

What's actually on the disc is extraneous and irrelevant if you got what you actually paid for, which you did.  Expecting full access to every piece of data on the disc isn't necessarily a reasonable expectation.

In short, you got what you actually paid for.

So why are you upset at not getting to something on the disc?

If I buy a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium, all the content reaching up to Windows 7 Ultimate is on the DVD.  However, I can't unlock that content without purchasing an upgrade.

Same here.  Either way, however, I got what I actually paid for.

[lrrose]

"There's also a full set of model and animation files for the Prothean, but file encryption makes it impossible to open these for further inspection. "

Which means that we don't know what they contain.

Modifié par lrrose, 08 mars 2012 - 05:17 .

[Kilshrek]

Steptroll wrote...

You hear that?

It's the sound of betrayal.

Just **** you, Bioware. I am never paying for another one of your games ever again.

How apt that there should be a song titled Betrayal in the ME 3 soundtrack then.

[GroverA125]

Crimson-Engage wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Crimson-Engage wrote...

There was a lot that was already on the disk. Such as the N7 Weapons and armor. Because I know damn well that a few weapons and a suit of armor are more than 108.kb of data!

So is most pre-order bonuses in games. Halo held the same system, with all the bonuses (recon helmet, elite and flaming helmet in Reach, Sgt. Johnson in ODST) being on disc but requiring a DLC "activation code" to work. It is NOT a new creation by Bioware, and Day-1 DLC is not the same as, and should probably never be confused with, pre-order DLC.

True Bioware didn't start this fad but that doesn't make it right. If I pay $65 for a game I think I pretty much paid for what was on the disk to start with. Why do I have to shell out more?

Because they said so. Simple as that. Their game, their rules. Welcome to the ethics of businesses, which in case you didn't know, includes media and as such, games. If they want you to pay for it, then you're going to have to pay for it if you want it. In my opinion, the car that I bought and drive around constantly should be mine, but it isn't, as I've yet to finish paying it off in entirety. This is pretty much the same scenario.

It's not as though your gaming pleasure has been put to one side. You are not losing anything by that DLC being in place partially on-disk. If you want to buy it, then you can, but if you don't, then there is no requirement for it, unlike certain games out there, which seem to close their jaws on the populace as time goes by. Can't we all just be grateful for what we've been given and stop doing things like this? Call it an unethical business strategy, but where do you think in ultimatum your money is going? Towards a future release from Bioware. The more they get, the larger their budget will be for future games, which in turn will allow overall more games to be made. If you are fond of bioware, or the Mass Effect franchise, then you shouldn't mind putting money towards it to ensure even better games and franchises in the future. Call me a sucker if you like, but I know I will, because I want to see more games from bioware in the future.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

[/quote]

wow man...you know video games are software right? You know theres code?  How you think they do patches, oh brilliant one!

[/quote]

Your own choice to stay mis-informed , I'm pretty sure their's atleast a few people that will try to understand for themselves.I choose to be informed most of the time , view the evidence for myself , look into the process and determine for myself what's right or wrong(unless it's a given).I simply can't buy into false/mis-leading information and have someone making me rage or pulling my strings.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 08 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Skyblade012]

silent-man73 wrote...

Crimson-Engage wrote...

True Bioware didn't start this fad but that doesn't make it right. If I pay $65 for a game I think I pretty much paid for what was on the disk to start with. Why do I have to shell out more?

This might be part of the issue: you had expectations which weren't necessarily justified.  I can understand your perspective, but I don't know if it's necessarily optimal.

I paid $90 (or thereabouts) for my Collectors Edition for the PC.  That means I want the core game (without DLC), my CE hoodie/weapons/dog/soundtrack/collectable FemShep-DudeShep tin/companion appearance options/comic book/lithograph/art book/patch/free first-day DLC.  I pre-ordered through Gamestop, which means I also wanted my pre-order weapons.

I got all those things.

If someone bought the regular edition, it means they wanted the core game, plus any pre-order bonuses as applicable.

You got that.

What's actually on the disc is extraneous and irrelevant if you got what you actually paid for, which you did.  Expecting full access to every piece of data on the disc isn't necessarily a reasonable expectation.

In short, you got what you actually paid for.

So why are you upset at not getting to something on the disc?

If I buy a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium, all the content reaching up to Windows 7 Ultimate is on the DVD.  However, I can't unlock that content without purchasing an upgrade.

Same here.  Either way, however, I got what I actually paid for.

THANK you.

Honestly, when it was developed, when it was released, and whether or not it is on the game disc is totally irrelevant.  They were fully upfront about the content of both the full game and the From Ashes DLC.  You bought the game, without the DLC.  They gave you that.  That is all you are entitled to.

[Tiger]

silent-man73 wrote...

Crimson-Engage wrote...

True Bioware didn't start this fad but that doesn't make it right. If I pay $65 for a game I think I pretty much paid for what was on the disk to start with. Why do I have to shell out more?

This might be part of the issue: you had expectations which weren't necessarily justified.  I can understand your perspective, but I don't know if it's necessarily optimal.

I paid $90 (or thereabouts) for my Collectors Edition for the PC.  That means I want the core game (without DLC), my CE hoodie/weapons/dog/soundtrack/collectable FemShep-DudeShep tin/companion appearance options/comic book/lithograph/art book/patch/free first-day DLC.  I pre-ordered through Gamestop, which means I also wanted my pre-order weapons.

I got all those things.

If someone bought the regular edition, it means they wanted the core game, plus any pre-order bonuses as applicable.

You got that.

What's actually on the disc is extraneous and irrelevant if you got what you actually paid for, which you did.  Expecting full access to every piece of data on the disc isn't necessarily a reasonable expectation.

In short, you got what you actually paid for.

So why are you upset at not getting to something on the disc?

If I buy a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium, all the content reaching up to Windows 7 Ultimate is on the DVD.  However, I can't unlock that content without purchasing an upgrade.

Same here.  Either way, however, I got what I actually paid for.

You sir make a whole lot of sense. Bravo! 

[Mr_Dots]

Here's why people care about day 1 dlc: today it may be a character, and tomorrow it may be something more substantial. EA and other publishers are clearly seeing how far they can push the consumer into paying for content that is already completed.

[Naughty Bear]

XxCrashdownxX wrote...

All this has happened before..all this will happen again.

This. You can't stop this.

[Capeo]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Descedent wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Descedent wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Not this crap again , the people releasing this mis-information should be ashamed.Anyone with brain knows some/most files have to be on the disc for any dlc to work.Without it you can't do dlc period(it would be programming/hacking nightmare) on consoles because their not like PC's where you can just create an add-on easy.

So yes the voice files/character models/ , a finished fully textured Eden Prime is not on the disc.Why do think the download is 600 mb , come on people don't buy into what someone tells you(who doesn't know the process of creating dlc). Look into things for yourself or look at all evidence(uninformed article/developers comments) , don't just be a blind puppet that can be easily worked up.

BULLCRAP . there are plenty of dlcs out there for games post launch that have NO original source files out there prior to release or on the disc.

These games are built to allow additional content easily.

Ok , name them along with showing developers saying (console game)no original source files are on the disc and the dlc content used none of the existing textures on the disc.Please show me this proof and I might change my mind.<_<

oh geeze really.... really....  of course DLC uses current textures and models... doesn't mean things can't be created post release don't have some sort of "files" on disc like ashes does.... any modification can be made to software post release...... this is not rocket science. 

So you make these games for a living on 360/PS3 , I should trust you and a mis-informed article over a developer who knows the process(along with reading online how the process works).Right!!!!!!!<_<

All four DLC for New Vegas were completely new (huge) areas that weren't on the disc.  You wanted examples.  There's one.