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[thehomeworld]

Naltair wrote...

I found the picture to be great, it does not bother me if it was a stock photo. I liked it.

I am not sure why people are mad that she is beautiful, it was almost a given she would be attractive; pretty much every LI is.

This. Also the photo fits what we know of Tali anyhow we knew she would be more human then alien her nose, jaw, smooth skin (ie no scales or tattoos), her eyes were humanoid, and the veil acts like hair, beyond that we know they bleed red and their skin is rougher then a humans so her having a human face with a tweak here and there is just fine for me. I'm glade they didn't do some of the weirder fan art types of tali's face.

[l7986]

When ever I see that picture ingame I see 2 things. First one a troll face. Second the words righten underneath it saying sorry guys we forgot about tali and had to throw this in at the last minute.

[Cryorex]

The face reveal took the ******.
And the love scene for Tali in comparison to the other ME3 romances (other than Garrus's. Which is equally as bad.) is short and boring.

Modifié par Cryorex, 18 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[RohanSpartan]

Im going back to imagining Tali as a sexy pale-ish purple female alien.

Modifié par RohanSpartan, 21 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[LyletheBloody]

The only thing I want to suggest is this: I never really expected the Quarians to be super super alien (and frankly, I'm glad they aren't... though I grant this is a matter of opinion). I'm not going to lie and say that I didn't want Tali to be attractive: I'd have been more than a little upset if she wasn't. I still think people would be happy to overlook the stock photo if she had been realized in the game in 3D with her own model.  Overall, I was very happy with her picture and how she looked.... I wasn't happy we didn't get to see beneath the suit/mask in game.

The stock photo doesn't really bother me much. Why? Because BioWare basically used a stock PERSON to create the entire character of Miranda Lawson. Not only did they copy a photo, they copied a voice and an entire face. I don't think there was anything wrong with that and I have trouble reconciling the difference between doing that and using a stock photo (not that there is ANYTHING stock about Miss Strahovski.... #GoodbyeChuck).

Modifié par LyletheBloody, 18 mars 2012 - 05:46 .

[Blitzace]

 Tali has always been my favorite romance option.
This time though it felt like both she and the Quariens
were thrown in as an after thought. They never even
gave her a place on the ship and after the end of the
game she is still sitting there drinking. Makes me sad.

[spirosz]

Wait, you're disappointed in the romance itself or the laziness of the picture because those are two different things, IMO. Till that moment, did you enjoy the romance arc? I'm pretty upset with the photo as well, but her romance was well done IMO, even though I personally don't like it - they kept her shyness, humour, mystery intact, at least from what I gathered.

[Kither]

Severly disappointed with the tali reveal... I was really excited to but nope all I get is a freaking picture of her. Not disappointed by the appearance but more of how they didn't even try to give her a model to show in the game. 

[Irx]

I am not sure why people are mad that she is beautiful, it was almost a given she would be attractive; pretty much every LI is.

That's not the problem - but how cheap/slapdash it is. A 5-minute photoshop of a random pic from internets, seriously? I've never seen something as careless in a bio game, and I've played everything except mdk and sonic.

Not going to bother with a decent 3d model? Ok, that's dissapointing, but how about putting a little more effort into it? That photoshop is extremely bad, they didn't even bother to make her fingers right.

[Rune-Chan]

I don't care about how the decided Quarian's should look. What I care about is that the photo is lazily edited and doesn't make a whole lot of sense (no environmental suit at all? I can understand maybe no helmet on but...).

[gamer_girl]

Personally, I like the picture. I don't understand what people were expecting. You guys say she looks "too human" but I never hear that complaint about asari who in my opinion look much more human than this photo. Problem with this reveal was that no matter what they did people were bound to complain becuase the fact of the matter is they wouldn't have been happy with anything they showed. If this was an original picture, people would have sang a different tune. They're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult, because really if this was still the photo but the original picture didn't exist, I'm sure more people would have been able to see the beauty in it instead of being stuck on such a trivial issue.

They're simply using existing resources. Am I now going to hear people complain that they used the existing Unreal engine instead of creating their own? Not fair to criticize their resourcefulness in one case and not even raise an eyebrow in the other.

Also, go back to the point LyletheBloody made a few posts ago. Most of the main characters including Shepard, Samara, Miranda, etc. weren't original either (in fact Shepard and Miranda were less original than Tali seeing as they weren't edited) and were all based on face models. If you so passionately complain about this, it only makes logical sense that you complain about use of face models too.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 18 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[Kastrenzo]

Am I the only one who really didn't care about this?

[KadianK]

gamer_girl wrote...

Personally, I like the picture. I don't understand what people were expecting. You guys say she looks "too human" but I never hear that complaint about asari who in my opinion look much more human than this photo. Problem with this reveal was that no matter what they did people were bound to complain becuase the fact of the matter is they wouldn't have been happy with anything they showed. If this was an original picture, people would have sang a different tune. They're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult, because really if this was still the photo but the original picture didn't exist, I'm sure more people would have been able to see the beauty in it instead of being stuck on such a trivial issue.

They're simply using existing resources. Am I now going to hear people complain that they used the existing Unreal engine instead of creating their own? Not fair to criticize their resourcefulness in one case and not even raise an eyebrow in the other.

Also, go back to the point LyletheBloody made a few posts ago. Most of the main characters including Shepard, Samara, Miranda, etc. weren't original either (in fact Shepard and Miranda were less original than Tali seeing as they weren't edited) and were all based on face models. If you so passionately complain about this, it only makes logical sense that you complain about use of face models too.

Yes you do hear this compliant about Asari, but the difference between Tali and every single Asari is Asari have been complete from the first game they was never much mystery behind it.
The disappointment is that they was so lazy they couldn't even do a 3D Model.
Another thing is "Miranda" was based on a "Stock person" but, the difference is they did edit and change little parts like the colour of her hair. 
With Tali it's like a 5 minute job, I saw someone on youtube do a quick bodge job in less than 3 minutes.

We're not complaining about a bloody stock person... We're complaining about the laziness of the entire thing all together.
The "human" thing with them looking human, is understandable but how is Tali so "Tanned" how the **** does she have so much hair? It doesn't make sense.
How the **** is she out of her suit? Doesn't make sense.

Do you understand? OR DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU!

You obviously don't get it, the majority of people in this thread, apart from a few who understand what I'm getting at, don't get it either.

WE'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LAZINESS. The fact it's a stock photo, edited in 5 minutes is LAZY! I'm sure making Miranda, and Shepards face even based off their "Models" still took longer then 5 freaking minutes...
No one gives a real **** about Asari, they've been their since the first game, and we're bored. We expected Mass Effect 3 to be like "WOW" with the Tali face... Yes she's "attractive" as some people put it, but that's not the freaking point.

******Just to be clear this wasn't a rant and all words in capital letters were in captials to drill it into your head, and you'd notice more... Key words. The same with words in quotes.******

Edit - Your opinion is invalid. Asari don't look much more Human then that photo... Let's examine.

Asari Hair = Tentacles of a sort.
Quarian Hair = Hair.
Asari Skin = Purple, Blue, Green and lighter shades of blue and purple.
Quarian Skin = Tanned...
Asari Body Features = Markings.
Quarian Body Features = Lightly Disguninstable Cybernetic Markings.

I think you're wrong. More human my arse.

Modifié par KadianK, 18 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[gamer_girl]

KadianK wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Personally, I like the picture. I don't understand what people were expecting. You guys say she looks "too human" but I never hear that complaint about asari who in my opinion look much more human than this photo. Problem with this reveal was that no matter what they did people were bound to complain becuase the fact of the matter is they wouldn't have been happy with anything they showed. If this was an original picture, people would have sang a different tune. They're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult, because really if this was still the photo but the original picture didn't exist, I'm sure more people would have been able to see the beauty in it instead of being stuck on such a trivial issue.

They're simply using existing resources. Am I now going to hear people complain that they used the existing Unreal engine instead of creating their own? Not fair to criticize their resourcefulness in one case and not even raise an eyebrow in the other.

Also, go back to the point LyletheBloody made a few posts ago. Most of the main characters including Shepard, Samara, Miranda, etc. weren't original either (in fact Shepard and Miranda were less original than Tali seeing as they weren't edited) and were all based on face models. If you so passionately complain about this, it only makes logical sense that you complain about use of face models too.

Yes you do hear this compliant about Asari, but the difference between Tali and every single Asari is Asari have been complete from the first game they was never much mystery behind it.
The disappointment is that they was so lazy they couldn't even do a 3D Model.
Another thing is "Miranda" was based on a "Stock person" but, the difference is they did edit and change little parts like the colour of her hair. 
With Tali it's like a 5 minute job, I saw someone on youtube do a quick bodge job in less than 3 minutes.

We're not complaining about a bloody stock person... We're complaining about the laziness of the entire thing all together.
The "human" thing with them looking human, is understandable but how is Tali so "Tanned" how the **** does she have so much hair? It doesn't make sense.
How the **** is she out of her suit? Doesn't make sense.

Do you understand? OR DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU!

You obviously don't get it, the majority of people in this thread, apart from a few who understand what I'm getting at, don't get it either.

WE'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LAZINESS. The fact it's a stock photo, edited in 5 minutes is LAZY! I'm sure making Miranda, and Shepards face even based off their "Models" still took longer then 5 freaking minutes...
No one gives a real **** about Asari, they've been their since the first game, and we're bored. We expected Mass Effect 3 to be like "WOW" with the Tali face... Yes she's "attractive" as some people put it, but that's not the freaking point.

******Just to be clear this wasn't a rant and all words in capital letters were in captials to drill it into your head, and you'd notice more... Key words. The same with words in quotes.******

Edit - Your opinion is invalid. Asari don't look much more Human then that photo... Let's examine.

Asari Hair = Tentacles of a sort.
Quarian Hair = Hair.
Asari Skin = Purple, Blue, Green and lighter shades of blue and purple.
Quarian Skin = Tanned...
Asari Body Features = Markings.
Quarian Body Features = Lightly Disguninstable Cybernetic Markings.

I think you're wrong. More human my arse.

First of all, calm down. I seriously worry about your mental health if you get this worked up over such a small issue. Second, Miranda's hair colour was the only thing that was edited on her character, so really not that much else happened. To your point about it taking longer than 5 minutes, that's a very obvious point considering they had to make the face capable of emoting and lip syncing... If Miranda were made into a photo it wouldn't have taken long at all. Not to mention the default Shepard has literally no changes from the original face model - does that mean BioWare was "lazy" when they made him?

-She is not tanned she is very obviously lavender in colour.
-Why shouldn't she be allowed to have hair? Given the fact that they spend about 99.9% of their lives inside suits, I highly doubt they'd be able to have monthly visits to the Citadel barber... >_>
-Do you really want them to spend more than 5 minutes on something that only has a 10 second impact on an exclusive group of players?
-Do you honestly believe they should have gone for shock value? Thinking about how people reacted to her appearance not being foreign and scary and in the most likely case, ugly, how do you think people would have reacted if she looked like something from Aliens vs Predator purely to satisfy your very obvious craving for "shock value"? Do you think that would have made the Tali fans happy? Doubt it.
-You clearly don't know the meaning of validity, but that's besides the point...

As for her appearance:
Human like features of Asari:
Eyes, nose, mouth, hands, feet, human like leg joints (anti example: turians, quarians, dogs, etc.), body shape and skin texture

Human like features of Tali:
Nose, mouth, hair, body shape and skin texture

If my math is correct that's 8 human like features for asari and 5 for Tali...

The only thing I'll give you is that her being out of her suit in the photo doesn't make much sense, but other than that, I fail to see your point.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 18 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[thehomeworld]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

No romance, but there is a scene on Rannoch, where Tali takes off her mask right next to Shepard and you still don't get to see her face. It just fades to black.

I didn't like that for romanced Talis she should've looked at you and that would've been the prime moment to show her face but to also do the scene that they later talk about where she says she loves him. Then on ship after you return she could say she left you a gift you go upstairs to see the photo they had and see her full face, hair, ect would've been very lovely and yes I do like the photo they picked even if it is a photoshoped version of an existing one.

[KadianK]

gamer_girl wrote...

First of all, calm down. I seriously worry about your mental health if you get this worked up over such a small issue. Second, Miranda's hair colour was the only thing that was edited on her character, so really not that much else happened. To your point about it taking longer than 5 minutes, that's a very obvious point considering they had to make the face capable of emoting and lip syncing... If Miranda were made into a photo it wouldn't have taken long at all. Not to mention the default Shepard has literally no changes from the original face model - does that mean BioWare was "lazy" when they made him?

-She is not tanned she is very obviously lavender in colour.
-Why shouldn't she be allowed to have hair? Given the fact that they spend about 99.9% of their lives inside suits, I highly doubt they'd be able to have monthly visits to the Citadel barber... >_>
-Do you really want them to spend more than 5 minutes on something that only has a 10 second impact on an exclusive group of players?
-Do you honestly believe they should have gone for shock value? Thinking about how people reacted to her appearance not being foreign and scary and in the most likely case, ugly, how do you think people would have reacted if she looked like something from Aliens vs Predator purely to satisfy your very obvious craving for "shock value"? Do you think that would have made the Tali fans happy? Doubt it.
-You clearly don't know the meaning of validity, but that's besides the point...

As for her appearance:
Human like features of Asari:
Eyes, nose, mouth, hands, feet, human like leg joints (anti example: turians, quarians, dogs, etc.), body shape and skin texture

Human like features of Tali:
Nose, mouth, hair, body shape and skin texture

If my math is correct that's 8 human like features for asari and 5 for Tali...

The only thing I'll give you is that her being out of her suit in the photo doesn't make much sense, but other than that, I fail to see your point.

I'm not worked up at all, I was merely pointing things out in an discourtous manor.

I'm pretty sure, and I'm not expert, but it takes longer then 5 minutes to create a face model, "lip sync" (Which may I add are terrible in Mass Effect 3.)

This is Lavander
http://www.art-paint...er/Lavender.gif = Lavander
The picture at the start of this thread is OBVIOUSLY not this colour, and is more OBVIOUSLY one of these colours http://www.well.com/...rnTestSheet.jpg

Given the fact they spend all their time in their suit, this would suggest they are bold. A human that wears a hat all their life will go bold much earlier then other humans.

It's basic science. Small? The Tali community is one of the much larger ones, not that I am apart of it.

http://www.freeimage.../18f29b8f55.jpg - Is this ugly, like it's something out of AvP? Nope. Don't think so.

I wasn't going for "shock value" I was going for something satifying and worth the 10 seconds of my life.

Quarian evolved like they are 'cause of sharing resources with the Tuarian's. They wasn't always like that. 

When you say Body shape, do you mean the torso? 'Cause if that's the case Quarians have breasts, hips, a "buttock" the same as humans.
Quarian face, Nose, Mouth, Ears, Eyes(According to the photo.) Hair. Quarian Body, Breasts, Arse, Similar curvity of hips, arms, hands(Minus 2 fingers due to sharing food with tuarians.) Skin colour, slightly thicker texture... Doesn't appear that way in the picture though, supposed to be rough. You can tell the different between a rug and a silk bedding cover right?

Asari, nose, eyes, mouth, body, legs, hands. NOT Skin texture... Colour is different...

Modifié par KadianK, 19 mars 2012 - 02:14 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Quarians are generally shorter and of slighter build than humans. Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear ducts; they also have three thick fingers on both hands which include a thumb, an index finger, and a long fingers, similar to the middle fingers for humans, as well as three toes on each foot. Quarian facial structure and hair actually makes them the most similar to humans in physical appearance. They have pale skins with visible cybernetic augmentations on their bodies in the form of metal lines, and their eyes have white irides, no pupils and red sclera. Their lower legs are bowed backwards significantly, compared to asari or humans. Aside from hands and legs, their general body shape and sexual dimorphism is similar to humans. Their ears or ear analogues differ in a noticeable fashion from those of humans, with references made to "what [passes] for the quarian version of an ear".

This excerpt is from the Mass Effect Wiki, and from what I've seen Tali's photo fits it. So whether you like it or not, she is how Quarians look like.

[Olueq]

I do like the way she looks... but come on, there are so many examples of fan concept art that far exceeds the effort and quality put into that.

[pyr0mantis]

Its was a Troll.... They played us like a violin.

[Maraglade]

Living their entire lives in a suit. Obviously UV rays will be filtered so pale skin, hair I can see but human coloration of hair? White eyes, sure, it'd add a creepy attractiveness. Fingernails, maybe. The skin color over time would change to a grey hue rather than tan. Living in a self contained atmosphere it could happen. Not taking into account an alien physiology, of course. The facial feature, as I can see them, would be a bit flatter, smaller nose, wide eyes...Etc. Not EXACT human features. Aside from the obvious synthetic enhancements the Quarians could have other jewelry on them but since the suit is so much a part of life it's not necessary.

Personal bias aside on the photo-shopped photo of "Tali" I believe it would actually be pretty simple to design a 3D model for her to look more alien but only have certain features be human-esque. Look on deviant art for a multitude of great ideas ranging from skin hues of purple to grey to more human tanned. http://browse.devian...set=24#/d3atepj This one, to me is amazing(and reminds me a bit of Riku from FFX). The artist spent a great deal of time and effort on it. But so many other on there are great and detailed that Bioware/EA could've just looked on the site for inspiration instead of a damn Getty image on Miss England. Any artists want to do a Tali rendition the "proper" way, be my guest. I'd love to see a Tali or any Quarian that will fit the bill for one of the two "hidden" races of the Mass Effect universe...The other being the Volus but I really don't want to see them unmasked...It'd be a bloody mess.

[S.A.K]

Not complaining cos, now I know atleast how she's supposed to look.

[Marinemike69]

They did such a poor job with tali that I switched back to liara as my romance cause 1) you get her little after the halfway point in the game. 2) her body seemed a little differnt, smaller chest, etc. 3) crappy picture.

[comrade gando]

I hope that picture is like some kind of joke or something, because it sure looks like it

[gamer_girl]

KaidanK irritates me too much to bother debating so I'm just going to leave it at that. If the reason in LDS Darth Revan and my posts isn't seen, I'm just going to let people whine about something that doesn't matter.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 20 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[RohanSpartan]

I am actually growing fond of the "Official" Tali Unmasked photo. Is that a weird thing?