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[Rubies]

I can't find a 2da for any weather entries (except for the ones in environment.2da) so I'm curious if this is hardcoded or not. Does this just have to be done (at a performance disadvantage) through placeables? Better yet, could it be done through tile animations?

Modifié par Rubies, 08 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[henesua]

I like the way you think. *keeps listening*

[OldTimeRadio]

I was just reading about the environment.2da thing last night.  For weather presets in the toolset, that's what you'd want to edit.  AFAIK, that's all environment.2da is for.  Never messed with it, myself.

The weather does appear to be hardcoded, at least in the respect that fx_rain, fx_snow and fx_lightning01 are all referenced directly in nwmain.exe.  You can edit those models though, but it's going to change the effect everywhere.

If you want to play around with making custom weather effects, like new types of rain, maybe experiment with VFX first instead of placeables?.  Rain is just an illusion.  When it's raining, it's not raining everywhere in a level. Just on the player.

Here is a link to a modified fx_rain.mdl which should allow you to see more clearly how rain really works.  It has been modified quite a bit to exaggerate the beahvior of what rain does and how it's applied.  Just pop it into your override and go into a rainy area.

Change the camera orientation, move around, etc.  See what I mean?



I'm not sure how well this would actually translate over to VFX or what kind of gotchas are hiding there or, perhaps, in multiplayer situations.  Might be easiest to start there, though.

[henesua]

OTR - with a VFX like that, is it possible that only the player will see it? In other words - is it possible to restrict visibility of a VFX to a single player?

[Rubies]

Yeah I've already made a few edits to the standard weather effects but wanted to try a light/moderate/heavy rain and also to fix the fact that weather effects aren't shown when zoomed in (likely due to the fact it's 2x2 emitters) without having to use placeables. Shame! (As a note try using motion blur/trail effect on rain, I love the look of it).

I think you can accomplish the individual weather look through NWNX, though I'm not entirely sure -- it's not possible in standard NWN with weather effects, at least.

Modifié par Rubies, 08 mars 2012 - 07:54 .

[OldTimeRadio]

@heneusa - My guess is any user-made effect like that would be visible to other players.

@Rubies - Hrm...Interesting.  I'll have to check out those plugins.

[PLUSH HYENA of DOOM]

Since the subject is more or less relevant here, I thought I'd ask the question here rather than start a lumpily pointless new thread, see if there's any response...

As Rubies mentioned, weather effects, especially the (none-too-clever in the first place) snow, vanishes in-game when the camera is zoomed in close to the PC. This is deeply irritating at a profound, even molecular, level. I've tried all manner of things with no worthwhile results... unless "nothing at all" or "crashing the game" can be considered worthwhile results.

I need vast, sweeping polar blizzards, not one pathetic snowflake per hour glimpsed at the side of the screen... So, before I finally start creating IMMENSE weather VFX Placeables and straining the game hideously by piling a hundred of them into every area, has anyone out there had any success in solving the "Vanishing Weather When Zoomed In" issue?

Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks in advance, PHoD.

[KlatchainCoffee]

In one of my old hakpacks there was a placeable of falling snowflakes. And also moving cloud placeables floating around at the top the the Z axis.

It sounds like it needs to be bigger than just a placeable.

[dusty.lane]

PLUSH HYENA of DOOM wrote...

Since the subject is more or less relevant here, I thought I'd ask the question here rather than start a lumpily pointless new thread, see if there's any response...

As Rubies mentioned, weather effects, especially the (none-too-clever in the first place) snow, vanishes in-game when the camera is zoomed in close to the PC. This is deeply irritating at a profound, even molecular, level. I've tried all manner of things with no worthwhile results... unless "nothing at all" or "crashing the game" can be considered worthwhile results.

I need vast, sweeping polar blizzards, not one pathetic snowflake per hour glimpsed at the side of the screen... So, before I finally start creating IMMENSE weather VFX Placeables and straining the game hideously by piling a hundred of them into every area, has anyone out there had any success in solving the "Vanishing Weather When Zoomed In" issue?

Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks in advance, PHoD.

If the VFX placeables are not covering enough area that you need to use hundreds of them in each area, why not make them cover a more vast area? Or better yet, area variables that tell scripts whether it is (weather type), and then apply a visual effect unto the player. Though that may not work too well if you zoom out really far.

Either way, you could have a super weather placeable, whom depending on how you activate it, gives off different weather effects.

I just don't believe that any other method will always end in a lot of lag.

Also I really hope one day we can get a sandstorm visual effect.

Edit: I would even make it if somebody figured out a reliable way to make custom weather!

Modifié par dusty.lane, 16 octobre 2013 - 06:10 .

[henesua]

+1 for sandstorm.

[Tarot Redhand]

@PHOD have you looked at the December 2011 custom content challenge (Winter Stuff)? Specifically Cestus Dei's Snow Flurry submission. The full result for that month's challenge can be found on both vaults (Old vault link - new vault link). Hope this is of some use.

TR

[PLUSH HYENA of DOOM]

Tried vast Placeables for weather, having had some success in doing BIG things for the PHoD New VFX Hak on the Vault, and although I managed to extend fairly focused "beams" over something like 15 Tiles in a single direction, a "square" area VFX Placeable (which you'd need for weather) never seems to exceed a couple of Tiles no matter what values you append to the scale. I did have a few further thoughts of things to try with VFX for weather that might increase the size, or the particle spread at any rate, so I guess I'll go back and hit things with some new and different bricks...

+2 for sandstorm... I tried making a Placeable sandstorm a couple of years back and, although it sort of worked a bit, slightly, sort of, from certain angles, the problem was that however much it billowed, it remained in one spot.
A sandstorm does many things; sitting still is not one of them. Haven't yet had any brilliant flashes of inspiration on how to get a constant succession of billowing sandstorm (or blizzard) Placeables to constantly rush along from one end of an Area to the other.
There was the "River" VFX I did in my PHoD New VFX Hak which hurtled along across 15 Tiles, but it was a fairly focused stream, as mentioned, and trying to spread the emitter to a huge, broad, sandstormesque front proved rather less than effective. Adding multiple streams just brought everything to a hideously laggy end.

Sounds like I'm going to have to keep putting the boot in on these VFX Placeables of Outrageous Proportions until I stumble accidentally over - I mean, until I brilliantly devise an astounding work of genius.

Thanks for the suggestions!

[ShadowM]

Ok since everyone seem to want it and I have some free time I started work on it. Making good progress starting off with the pixie dust emitter. The trick of getting this over a big area will be a combination of emitter life/spread/velocity and animating the emitters or invisible placable the emitter are attached to.

Modifié par ShadowM, 17 octobre 2013 - 04:37 .

[ShadowM]

The question is how many particles do we want flying around? I mean a sand storm would have a lot. I have it working on about a three tile by three tile area coming down similar to snow. I slowly adding more and I see how it effects things.

[henesua]

sand storms look more like dust clouds that you can't see through. Maybe a mix of small particles and big particles would work best and help cut down on the number.

[PLUSH HYENA of DOOM]

I was using what amounts to smoke effects in my sandstorm... The biggest problem I had, other than getting it to be larger than about 3x3 Tiles, was getting a real sense of fast, violent, destructive motion into it. At present it just sort of billows. It billows FAST, but it somehow just doesn't seem savage enough, which is why I more or less abandoned it.

That said, I HAVE managed to get a similarly sized cyclone kind've thing to look quite violent. I originally did it all in fiery orange/red as an energy vortex for my Doctor Who Modules but just recently Fifi wondered what it would look like in dusty grey and it makes a damn good whirlwind, especially since she had the bright idea of throwing some of the "chunk" debris fx into it...

Now, if I can just come up with a good way of getting said twister to move about, other than making it a Creature model which would have assorted drawbacks...

[henesua]

I want that whirlwind VFX!

[ShadowM]

Yeah I got the big particles down, loved to grab you smoke work so far, but I could grab some myself and work on them. What are you getting in FPS with you 3x3 fog?

Modifié par ShadowM, 17 octobre 2013 - 06:22 .

[dusty.lane]

Combine a sandstorm VFX with the right density of properly coloured fog, and you got yourself a sexy sandstorm. Though with smaller sandstorms, the light and all that would not be so affected. I just like limiting players' vision.

[ShadowM]

Here a little video of the draft so far, sorry it short I hit the end button thinking it was not recording.
Sandstorm

[dusty.lane]

Neat. The draft is looking pretty good, definitely getting there. If you can get past the issue that plush hyena had, where it looks too tame for a "sandstorm", then we're golden! Also, love this community, got to say. Just random content flies about because somebody's curiosity got peaked.

[Wall3T]

i agree, i figured it was only a matter of time until someone came up with just the idea. i personally been pondering the idea of a blizzard, sandstorm, real rain storms for a long time.

having this made means were pushing far beyond what the creators left behind ,and thought wasnt worth there time. correct me if im wrong, but i personaly think this is the best engine designed for a video game in a long time, so much can be done!

[henesua]

Getting there. I like the look.

The mention of area fog above resonated with me for a couple reasons. (1) I think you will need to use area fog to improve the illusion of the sand storm. (2) I think that the color of this VFX should relate to the fog color and lighting. Isn't there a way to set up the texture and particle affect to do that?

In other words don't be afraid to consider this VFX/Placeable as working in tandem with area fog settings, and so design for it to work well with that.

[ShadowM]

I did do a little of the fog effect I used a dark brown fog to make it more like the sand what blocking out the light(everyone can work around with this for the best result). As for making it look even more dangerous, what would you suggest to put in?, stick models, big tree parts or rocks flying around? if I put like a bazzillion particles that will just bog down the computer. The way I have it the visuals applied to a placable through scripting and coming down but you could move the placable to different heights that will cause different looking effects if you have them near the ground and thicker look, but the effects has a pause I have not gotten rid of yet so that looks kinda funky. Oh do you want this just linked to a placable and added to the placable.2da or just left as a visual effect? I will work on it more Sunday. Thanks for the feedback everyone.

[PLUSH HYENA of DOOM]

Sorry... Got thumped by a huge Conger Eel whilst we were shifting some of the patently overgrown aquaria inhabitants about here. Tail got me near the eye and couldn't see a damn thing for a day or two it was so swollen... "My vision is impaired - I cannot see!"

Disturbingly violent and unsuitable household pets now under control. More or less normal vision restored.

The Whirlwind VFX (largely due to Fifi's efforts as I've been too mushed to see it) is looking pretty good now, though still haven't figured out how to get it to move from place to place. Been thinking of an in-built animation loop that causes it to follow a preset path or some such thing... Whether it zonks about or not, it will be included with the masses of CC necessary for my ridiculously over-ambitious Doctor Who Modules, though I'll happily chuck it out sooner if that project continues to drag on in production hell...

Definitely Area fog is a necessary adjunct to any Sandstorm and/or Blizzard Placeable effect. For the Blizzard tests, I had the distance down to 30 or 40. (If I recall right, fps on the Blizzard's something like 35 at the moment, lag not at all bad and it's grown to about 4x4 tiles (in so much as a shapeless particle-spitting blob can be "square").
Have been distracted from the weather VFX by more strange things for Gallifrey and Rassillon's Forge for "Retribution of the Daleks" (and the Eel Incident) but I'll post what weather Placeables I get "finished" somewhere since the DW stuff will probably still be some little time in reaching release. This is the trouble with trying to do fifteen things at the same time.

And yes, we may be a sadly depleted cabal of intransigent die-hard nutters, but this Community is still freakishly dynamic. I ask one simple question on a year old thread and next thing everyone's building extreme weather Placeables. Obviously we all keep thinking about these things and the instant anyone actually mentions them, we're off! Keep it up, guys!

(And treat 7 foot Conger Eels with extreme caution. May be less powerful biters than a Moray but they've still got outrageously powerful tail-swipes).

PHoD, more or less able to see again.